Onkyo TX-RZ70 11.2CH AV Receiver - Official Support Thread

[Ying]

Hi, could someone help me explain/understand the following.

I have a Arendal 1723 subwoofer connected to the Txrz70, the subwoofer has an input gain setting (1V output set to +6dB, 2V output set to 0dB, 4V output set to -6dB, or 8V output set to -12dB) depending on the output voltage of the sub out connection.

I read in Gene,s bench test that the Onkyo can go up to 4 volts, but does that also mean the best setting in the sub is the 4 volt input gain? What input gain setting would be best suited for my sub?

 

[ban25]

Hi, could someone help me explain/understand the following.

I have a Arendal 1723 subwoofer connected to the Txrz70, the subwoofer has an input gain setting (1V output set to +6dB, 2V output set to 0dB, 4V output set to -6dB, or 8V output set to -12dB) depending on the output voltage of the sub out connection.

I read in Gene,s bench test that the Onkyo can go up to 4 volts, but does that also mean the best setting in the sub is the 4 volt input gain? What input gain setting would be best suited for my sub?

Set to 0. When you calibrate with Dirac, you'll see how much gain the AVR needs to apply, ideally a low amount.

 

[Ying]

Set to 0. When you calibrate with Dirac, you'll see how much gain the AVR needs to apply, ideally a low amount.

Ok input gain at 0 (2v) thanks, I will try that.

 

[Frankb]

I bought this reciever to replace the yamaha avantage 3040 . i pair it with Vianna accoustics and svs sub. I dont like the sound. it is harsh and cold. no matter what i do in the setup.. The Yamaha aventage is much much better so i have to send it back ,, cant understand the rave about this thing. i reade somewhere in the comments that i am not the only one. And dirac isnt working also. error after error.

 

[gene]

I bought this reciever to replace the yamaha avantage 3040 . i pair it with Vianna accoustics and svs sub. I dont like the sound. it is harsh and cold. no matter what i do in the setup.. The Yamaha aventage is much much better so i have to send it back ,, cant understand the rave about this thing. i reade somewhere in the comments that i am not the only one. And dirac isnt working also. error after error.

Make sure you have the impedance switch set to the high (8 ohm) setting.

• Turn off all room correction and make sure your tone controls are bypassed or flat.
• My bench tests show this to be a class leading AVR and one of my reviewers is currently reviewing it and not complaining about bad sound. But, Dirac is problematic and that's nothing new.

 

[Pace]

I bought this reciever to replace the yamaha avantage 3040 . i pair it with Vianna accoustics and svs sub. I dont like the sound. it is harsh and cold. no matter what i do in the setup.. The Yamaha aventage is much much better so i have to send it back ,, cant understand the rave about this thing. i reade somewhere in the comments that i am not the only one. And dirac isnt working also. error after error.

Have you tried running dirac from a windows computer? The only issue I've had so far is that the newer versions take a very long time to sync the profile to the receiver, but eventually everything is ok.

I would suggest against using AccuEQ if Dirac does not work; IMO AccuEQ has never been all that great.

 

[dlaloum]

Have you tried running dirac from a windows computer? The only issue I've had so far is that the newer versions take a very long time to sync the profile to the receiver, but eventually everything is ok.

I would suggest against using AccuEQ if Dirac does not work; IMO AccuEQ has never been all that great.

With my DRX3.4 I found AccuEQ to be decent but not as good as Dirac....

On the other hand it allowed me to tune levels & distances for all speakers prior to running Dirac, and led I think to a smoother Dirac experience.

My first Dirac setup was using the phone app, and that was quick and painless.

My second and subsequent tries were using the PC app, and although the interface is far richer, and has a heck of a lot more options, it also took a heck of a lot longer, and was more complicated.

No complaints - I am very happy with the results, but if someone is looking for a quick way to get going (and leave to slower more detailed/complicated methods to a weekend when they have the house to themselves!) - then the mobile app and/or AccuEQ are not a bad way to go!

P.S. - on my first attempt, I had no errors... this may have been due to running AccuEQ first, which meant the gain/levels were already set before heading into Dirac.
Later efforts using Dirac PC version, did experience the errors (associated with optimising the gain/levels and ensuring sufficient headroom between signal and noise)

 

[Trebdp83]

If the recently released manual is accurate, the RZ70 has the same shortcomings of other brand AVRs including 40Gbps limited HDMI Input ports around back with a 9Gbps limited HDMI Input port up front. The Zone 2 HDMI Output port is limited to 18Gbps.

The rerouting of DD/DD+/DTHD 5.1 Surround channel info to Surround Back channels when using them and selecting a straight decode as the listening mode continues here as it does in other Onkyo models. This is also the case when playing IMAX Enhanced DTS 5.1 signals with the IMAX DTS listening mode. Though, the latter will not be as commonly encountered as the former.

Like some other new Onkyo models, the RZ70 drops DTS 96/24, DTS-HD HR and DTS-HD MA as listening modes. DTS will be the displayed mode when using a straight decode of DTS 96/24 signals and DTS-HD will be the displayed listening mode when using a straight decode of DTS-HD HR or DTS-HD MA signals.

 

[dlaloum]

If the recently released manual is accurate, the RZ70 has the same shortcomings of other brand AVRs including 40Gbps limited HDMI Input ports around back with a 9Gbps limited HDMI Input port up front. The Zone 2 HDMI Output port is limited to 18Gbps.

I believe the issue was that the available high bandwidth chipsets were 40gbps...

It isn't clear whether 48gbps chipsets are now readily available, or how much work is involved in the design and integration of new HDMI boards... but chances are that this would not be entertained until they are ready for the next generation...

 

[gene]

Our full review of the Onkyo TX-ZR70 has been published:

Onkyo TX-RZ70 11.2CH AV Receiver Review

The Onkyo TX-RZ70 11.2CH AV receiver boasts 140 watts/ch, 8K HDMI inputs, Auro 3D, FREE Dirac Live and the BEST bench test results we’ve seen in its price class. Is this the best AVR at under $3k?

www.audioholics.com

 

[ban25]

Our full review of the Onkyo TX-ZR70 has been published:

Onkyo TX-RZ70 11.2CH AV Receiver Review

The Onkyo TX-RZ70 11.2CH AV receiver boasts 140 watts/ch, 8K HDMI inputs, Auro 3D, FREE Dirac Live and the BEST bench test results we’ve seen in its price class. Is this the best AVR at under $3k?

www.audioholics.com

It's worth emphasizing these AVRs are Roon Ready out of the box. There's only 3-4 AVR/AVPs across the whole market that can say that: StormAudio, Trinnov, Arcam, NAD T778, and these units from Onkyo/Pioneer/Integra. The Arcam and the NAD are both pretty old (especially the NAD, which is HDMI 2.0 only). The other, while they have their own unique advantages, are several times the price.

 

[Trebdp83]

There have been some nice firmware updates to Onkyo receivers.

https://assets.onkyo-av.com/product-firmware/Firmware_Update_TX-RZ70_11-18-2024.pdf?v=1731905459

 

[Brian Smith]

Gene,

Can you please clarify if the Dirac/DLBC issues are Onkyo specific or apply to Dirac on all brands. Do you recommend using an early Dirac version until a fix is out? Thanks.

 

[ban25]

Gene,

Can you please clarify if the Dirac/DLBC issues are Onkyo specific or apply to Dirac on all brands. Do you recommend using an early Dirac version until a fix is out? Thanks.

I think what Gene is referring to is the fact that DLBC is designed to work with subwoofers and high-pass the mains. So no overlap or Double Bass is possible with Dirac/DLBC, regardless of platform. Whether this is a problem for you depends on whether or not you're running true full range speakers (likely with external amplification to support that deep bass).

 

[Brian Smith]

I think what Gene is referring to is the fact that DLBC is designed to work with subwoofers and high-pass the mains. So no overlap or Double Bass is possible with Dirac/DLBC, regardless of platform. Whether this is a problem for you depends on whether or not you're running true full range speakers (likely with external amplification to support that deep bass).

Are you sure? You think he trying to run his mains full range and his subs at the same time and that is where he ran into the issue? You could be right, but I don't know if that was the issue as he said several others are experiencing the same issue. Hopefully we get some clarification regarding a) is this a Onkyo only issue and b) under what scenarios would be run into the same issue. I know Dirac made some improvements to the algo, mic gains, and DLBC in the latest patch so that could be causing the issue.

Thanks.

From the review:

"Unfortunately as of the time of this review, Dirac Live, and particularly Dirac Live Bass Control has a plethora of issues, all of which I experienced while trying to calibrate the Onkyo. Most notable are problems with Dirac Live Bass Control: The results implementing Dirac Live Bass Control are, for lack of a better word, incorrect. Bass is way too heavy. Even without firing up Room EQ Wizard, I can tell that the results as implemented - either with Dirac’s own target curve’s or Storm Audios are, well, wrong. Again, Dirac is aware of these issues and is working on a fix in future software iterations."

 

[ban25]

Are you sure? You think he trying to run his mains full range and his subs at the same time and that is where he ran into the issue? You could be right, but I don't know if that was the issue as he said several others are experiencing the same issue. Hopefully we get some clarification regarding a) is this a Onkyo only issue and b) under what scenarios would be run into the same issue. I know Dirac made some improvements to the algo, mic gains, and DLBC in the latest patch so that could be causing the issue.

Thanks.

From the review:

"Unfortunately as of the time of this review, Dirac Live, and particularly Dirac Live Bass Control has a plethora of issues, all of which I experienced while trying to calibrate the Onkyo. Most notable are problems with Dirac Live Bass Control: The results implementing Dirac Live Bass Control are, for lack of a better word, incorrect. Bass is way too heavy. Even without firing up Room EQ Wizard, I can tell that the results as implemented - either with Dirac’s own target curve’s or Storm Audios are, well, wrong. Again, Dirac is aware of these issues and is working on a fix in future software iterations."

Yes. The reviewer is dead wrong and has no relevant experience with DLBC.

 

[Brian Smith]

Yes. The reviewer is dead wrong and has no relevant experience with DLBC.

Could very well be. I'm pretty sure Dirac is not set up to calibrate full range fronts while integrating with subs, if that is indeed is the case here. I'm just trying to figure out the issue. I have an HTP-1.

 

[gene]

Yes. The reviewer is dead wrong and has no relevant experience with DLBC.

While Mark is a new reviewer for Audioholics, his results were fact checked by Onkyo and Dirac and we are awaiting a firmware update from Dirac so he can retest and update his review. Our own Theo Nicolakis was also at Mark's helping him set up Dirac and he's a very seasoned reviewer intimately familiar with Dirac. Next time, try being a little less crass before knowing all of the facts.

 

[gene]

Could very well be. I'm pretty sure Dirac is not set up to calibrate full range fronts while integrating with subs, if that is indeed is the case here. I'm just trying to figure out the issue. I have an HTP-1.

Currently Dirac does NOT allow full-range bass to the mains on ANY version of their software, unfortunately. Despite setting them to full-range, it ALWAYS puts a HPF at 20Hz which is why I'm NOT currently using DIRAC ART in my theater system. Nilo from Dirac is actually working on an update to remedy this issue. Theo was able to do a work around by adding a shelving filter to minimize the HPF but I'm holding out for a firmware fix before doing a full calibration again in my system.

 

[Brian Smith]

While Mark is a new reviewer for Audioholics, his results were fact checked by Onkyo and Dirac and we are awaiting a firmware update from Dirac so he can retest and update his review. Our own Theo Nicolakis was also at Mark's helping him set up Dirac and he's a very seasoned reviewer intimately familiar with Dirac. Next time, try being a little less crass before knowing all of the facts.

To be clear, the issue in the review was Dirac DLBC does not working properly when running your speakers full range with subs. So if you are not running your speakers full range Dirac DLBC should work fine. Please correct me if I am wrong. Thanks for updating us.