Onkyo TX-RZ70 11.2CH AV Receiver - Official Support Thread

[aw73]

My Onkyo receivers do take a moment to output audio and the momentary delay coincides with the changing of the channel input/output display on the front panel. Once the input signal is recognized and processed according to the selected sound mode, audio is output and the channel indicators light up.

A recent software update for newer Onkyo models also changed the Power up sequence and resulted in a bit of a longer wait for audio output when coming out of Standby mode.

There are a multitude of items to check when transmitting data over HDMI 2.1 ports from an input source device into a receiver and out to a TV. Data transmission times will vary a bit based on the combination of devices and HDMI 2.1 settings in a system.

ok thanks! i really only noticed it when running test files. switching inputs takes a little longer. my x4400h is a little faster on switching and almost instant on audio output when running test files. still debating if i want the rz70 or x4800h.

 

[Trebdp83]

There is one sticking point about ALL the new Onkyo receivers. If one has a speaker configuration containing Surround Back speakers, Onkyo receivers will output the Surround Channel information contained in Dolby 5.1 tracks from the Surround Back channels when using a Straight decode of the 5.1 signal.

Many do not mind the automatic up mixing of Dolby signals by the Dolby Surround up mixer in their 7.1 or more channels systems. But, some do not like up mixing 5.1 signals. If the 5.1 signal in play is Dolby, Onkyos will output the Surround channel information from the Surround Back speakers.

Outputting the Dolby 5.1 signal as multichannel PCM, if possible based on the device used for playback, would result in the Surround channel information being output from the Surround speakers.

The RZ70 and X4800H will each have their own quirks concerning DTS signals compared to older models of each brand. There will be some channel output issues with IMAX DTS signals as well.

If I was going to upgrade today and add two more subs to make a total of four, I’d probably get an X4800H to play with the Subwoofer “Directional” mode. I think it is still on sale for around $1,800. The X3800H is also on sale but I hate that front display.

 

[aw73]

There is one sticking point about ALL the new Onkyo receivers. If one has a speaker configuration containing Surround Back speakers, Onkyo receivers will output the Surround Channel information contained in Dolby 5.1 tracks from the Surround Back channels when using a Straight decode of the 5.1 signal.

Many do not mind the automatic up mixing of Dolby signals by the Dolby Surround up mixer in their 7.1 or more channels systems. But, some do not like up mixing 5.1 signals. If the 5.1 signal in play is Dolby, Onkyos will output the Surround channel information from the Surround Back speakers.

Outputting the Dolby 5.1 signal as multichannel PCM, if possible based on the device used for playback, would result in the Surround channel information being output from the Surround speakers.

The RZ70 and X4800H will each have their own quirks concerning DTS signals compared to older models of each brand. There will be some channel output issues with IMAX DTS signals as well.

If I was going to upgrade today and add two more subs to make a total of four, I’d probably get an X4800H to play with the Subwoofer “Directional” mode. I think it is still on sale for around $1,800. The X3800H is also on sale but I hate that front display.

yea i sent the rz70 back and im testing the x4800h. the rz70 sounded less dynamic and more compressed using dirac but it timbre match my speakers really well. it sounded a bit brighter to me in direct 2 channel than the x4800h. it also sounded a little less detailed to me in some of the test tracks than the 4800 but that could be something to do with dirac and my untreated livingroom. i couldnt really tell a difference in power between the 2 with my revel f36's.

i like 5.1 upmixing with dolby surround. thats something else i noticed is my x4400h and the x4800h sounds more immersive upmixing 2 channel with dolby surround to my 5.2.2 system. i do think most of that is probably caused by dirac over eqing but im not sure.

 

[lhcpr1]

Hi all

I know this will be controversial given the background chat around power handling and the RZ70 when handling 4ohm speakers. I'm currently running Jamo 606 floor standing speakers in a stereo + centre speaker set up with my RZ70. They are bi-amped. I have an opportunity to snag Monoprice Monolith T6 floor standing units at an amazing price to replace the current. However, that are 4ohm speakers. Now, the RZ70 should be able to handle these in a basic writing configuration, but I wonder what you think about bi-amping the Monolith speakers?

Thanks, G

 

[PENG]

Hi all

I know this will be controversial given the background chat around power handling and the RZ70 when handling 4ohm speakers. I'm currently running Jamo 606 floor standing speakers in a stereo + centre speaker set up with my RZ70. They are bi-amped. I have an opportunity to snag Monoprice Monolith T6 floor standing units at an amazing price to replace the current. However, that are 4ohm speakers. Now, the RZ70 should be able to handle these in a basic writing configuration, but I wonder what you think about bi-amping the Monolith speakers?

Thanks, G

That is hard to know without knowing your listening habits and distances. Just keep in mind, regardless of whether the amp is rated for 8, 4 or even 2 ohms (none can do that so just saying..), power not needed/used will not affect audio performance. So, you need to figure our what your need is, in this case, more likely current, in your applications. Once that's done, you can answer your own questions that are "power" related.

The RZ70, like most if not all AVRs are not really rated for 4 ohms, as they expect you to use the impedance setting.

See manual p.40:

Based Audioholics review, I would think the Monolith isn't that hard to drive, but again it depends on factors I mentioned above. For example, if you listen to a maximum level of 10 dB below reference, that would still be quite loud to a lot of people, from say 10 ft, the RZ70 should have no trouble meeting their demands unless you listen to certain contents for extent period at higher level, then you should use an external fan.

 

[Trebdp83]

Hi all

I know this will be controversial given the background chat around power handling and the RZ70 when handling 4ohm speakers. I'm currently running Jamo 606 floor standing speakers in a stereo + centre speaker set up with my RZ70. They are bi-amped. I have an opportunity to snag Monoprice Monolith T6 floor standing units at an amazing price to replace the current. However, that are 4ohm speakers. Now, the RZ70 should be able to handle these in a basic writing configuration, but I wonder what you think about bi-amping the Monolith speakers?

Thanks, G

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[dlaloum]

Hi all

I know this will be controversial given the background chat around power handling and the RZ70 when handling 4ohm speakers. I'm currently running Jamo 606 floor standing speakers in a stereo + centre speaker set up with my RZ70. They are bi-amped. I have an opportunity to snag Monoprice Monolith T6 floor standing units at an amazing price to replace the current. However, that are 4ohm speakers. Now, the RZ70 should be able to handle these in a basic writing configuration, but I wonder what you think about bi-amping the Monolith speakers?

Thanks, G

My experience with bi-amping (using both passive and active crossover methods) - was that the difference was absolutely marginal... and may well have been imaginary. (Did extensive listening over several months, before finally simplifying back to a standard amped configuration)

Basically I think BiAmping is of benefit if you are power (or current) constrained... if you have ample power/current then there is nothing to be gained.

The RZ70 is quite a powerful amp, and I would not expect it to be power/current constrained.

Having said all that - it is a hobby... and nothing beats doing the experiment yourself!
If you have the time and inclination - try it out.... but do compare to the simpler standard config - you may find that the difference is sufficiently slight that you are unsure whether it is or is not there.... (that was the case in my setup)

 

[lhcpr1]

That is hard to know without knowing your listening habits and distances. Just keep in mind, regardless of whether the amp is rated for 8, 4 or even 2 ohms (none can do that so just saying..), power not needed/used will not affect audio performance. So, you need to figure our what your need is, in this case, more likely current, in your applications. Once that's done, you can answer your own questions that are "power" related.

The RZ70, like most if not all AVRs are not really rated for 4 ohms, as they expect you to use the impedance setting.

See manual p.40:
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Based Audioholics review, I would think the Monolith isn't that hard to drive, but again it depends on factors I mentioned above. For example, if you listen to a maximum level of 10 dB below reference, that would still be quite loud to a lot of people, from say 10 ft, the RZ70 should have no trouble meeting their demands unless you listen to certain contents for extent period at higher level, then you should use an external fan.

Thanks PENG - I'm generally in agreement with your comments here.

To be honest, I haven't seen much difference (if any) when bi-amping my current speakers to the RZ70 and I don't feel ABSOLUTELY inclined to do so with the Monoliths.

Most of the chat around impedance and AVR settings has been around the RZ50. Have a read of this and let me know what you think. There's not much I can fault in the RZ70 review and the comments around 4 ohm settings through the AVR menu are worthy of further thought.

Onkyo TX-RZ70 11.2CH AV Receiver Review

The Onkyo TX-RZ70 11.2CH AV receiver boasts 140 watts/ch, 8K HDMI inputs, Auro 3D, FREE Dirac Live and the BEST bench test results we’ve seen in its price class. Is this the best AVR at under $3k?

www.audioholics.com

Cliff notes (copied from a section of the review):

Editorial Note: Impedance Selector Switch – No matter how tempted you may be to do so, we DO NOT recommend changing the default "6 ohm min" impedance setting of ANY AV receiver, especially this unit. All this does is starve your speakers of power, simply so the manufacturer can get 4-ohm certification (at a reduced power level) without making the receiver get too hot during their power tests. We have tested this 'feature' on virtually every receiver that has offered it in the past, and the results were always the same: the low impedance setting significantly robs your speakers of power.

 

[lhcpr1]

My experience with bi-amping (using both passive and active crossover methods) - was that the difference was absolutely marginal... and may well have been imaginary. (Did extensive listening over several months, before finally simplifying back to a standard amped configuration)

Basically I think BiAmping is of benefit if you are power (or current) constrained... if you have ample power/current then there is nothing to be gained.

The RZ70 is quite a powerful amp, and I would not expect it to be power/current constrained.

Having said all that - it is a hobby... and nothing beats doing the experiment yourself!
If you have the time and inclination - try it out.... but do compare to the simpler standard config - you may find that the difference is sufficiently slight that you are unsure whether it is or is not there.... (that was the case in my setup)

Thanks dlaloum

Yes - it's going to be hard to answer the real world experience of bi-amping these new speakers until I actually give it a shot. That said, I haven't seen much difference (if any) when bi-amping my current speakers to the RZ70 and I don't feel ABSOLUTELY inclined to do so with the Monoliths. Maybe if I've got some time to twiddle my fingers I might give it a shot

 

[PENG]

and the comments around 4 ohm settings through the AVR menu are worthy of further thought.

Onkyo TX-RZ70 11.2CH AV Receiver Review

The Onkyo TX-RZ70 11.2CH AV receiver boasts 140 watts/ch, 8K HDMI inputs, Auro 3D, FREE Dirac Live and the BEST bench test results we’ve seen in its price class. Is this the best AVR at under $3k?

www.audioholics.com

Cliff notes (copied from a section of the review):

Editorial Note: Impedance Selector Switch – No matter how tempted you may be to do so, we DO NOT recommend changing the default "6 ohm min" impedance setting of ANY AV receiver, especially this unit. All this does is starve your speakers of power, simply so the manufacturer can get 4-ohm certification (at a reduced power level) without making the receiver get too hot during their power tests. We have tested this 'feature' on virtually every receiver that has offered it in the past, and the results were always the same: the low impedance setting significantly robs your speakers of power.

Again, if you want to be sure whether setting to 4 ohm would "rob" your speaker of "power", you can do your calculations using one of those online calculators to find out what you maximum requirement is. If that is below what the graph shows, then you can set it to 4-ohm without any audible effects. In that case, setting to 4 ohm would be just for a little more peace of mind, that's all.

If you need help in using those calculators just let me/us know. You have a very nice AVR and speakers, we would like you to get the best out of them.

 

[Vice]

yea i sent the rz70 back and im testing the x4800h. the rz70 sounded less dynamic and more compressed using dirac but it timbre match my speakers really well. it sounded a bit brighter to me in direct 2 channel than the x4800h. it also sounded a little less detailed to me in some of the test tracks than the 4800 but that could be something to do with dirac and my untreated livingroom. i couldnt really tell a difference in power between the 2 with my revel f36's.

i like 5.1 upmixing with dolby surround. thats something else i noticed is my x4400h and the x4800h sounds more immersive upmixing 2 channel with dolby surround to my 5.2.2 system. i do think most of that is probably caused by dirac over eqing but im not sure.

Hi guys im kinda in the same boat here. I can buy a marantz cinema 40 (pretty much a x4800h) for 1650 euros or the onkyo rz70 for 2000. If I add dirac the marantz will also go up 2 the same price. So both 2k. I have no idea which one to pick, how do you compare the rz70 to the 4800h? Some people say it blows the c40/4800h out of the water and so.e say its overhyped. I have a simple setup, front speakers: klipsch rf7, center klipsch rc504c and klipsch surround speakers. And I dont have a sub. Thanks in advance! @aw73 @Trebdp83

 

[Trebdp83]

Hi guys im kinda in the same boat here. I can buy a marantz cinema 40 (pretty much a x4800h) for 1650 euros or the onkyo rz70 for 2000. If I add dirac the marantz will also go up 2 the same price. So both 2k. I have no idea which one to pick, how do you compare the rz70 to the 4800h? Some people say it blows the c40/4800h out of the water and so.e say its overhyped. I have a simple setup, front speakers: klipsch rf7, center klipsch rc504c and klipsch surround speakers. And I dont have a sub. Thanks in advance! @aw73 @Trebdp83

Do you plan on adding a subwoofer and Height speakers? What kind of media devices will be used in the system?

 

[Vice]

Do you plan on adding a subwoofer and Height speakers? What kind of media devices will be used in the system?

Hey, I might add a sub in the future but the rf7s have plenty of bass atm. And might want to add 2 heights in the future. I only run nvidia shield pro on the receiver so pretty much all the streaming services are on there.

 

[Trebdp83]

I would recommend adding a subwoofer using either one of those receivers. Running the Fronts at Large/Full Band will make any receiver run hotter and, if played too loudly, can damage the speakers and receiver when listening to some multichannel tracks.

The Marantz supports four subwoofers and Directional mode so the low frequencies of Small speakers can be output from the subwoofer nearest them with LFE still being output from all subwoofers.

The Marantz and Onkyo feature Dolby Atmos Height Virtualization for configurations that do not include Height Speakers but only the Marantz features DTS Virtual:X. Unfortunately, it does not work when playing Dolby signals and devices that can decode them and output multichannel PCM are better suited for use with the Marantz if one wants to use DTS Virtual:X.

Height Virtualization using Dolby Surround works with most signals but not DTS:X, Auro 3-D or MPEG-H. Dolby Surround can be the set it and forget it sound mode much of the time. Of course, none of it will matter when adding Height speakers.

The Onkyo features crossover presets for various Klipsch speakers to make things a bit easier for users when setting things up. The Nvidia Shield TV Pro features the best of any device HDMI-CEC settings and it works beautifully with my TV and Onkyo receiver.

 

[Merc62]

Hi guys! I'm considering buying this AVR as a centre of my home cinema. What speakers can I really use with RZ70 without additional amplification? Will it be enough for 7.1.4, let's say, 100-150W each?
Can I use it with Aperion Audio Theatrus T65S Slim (4 Ohm, 20-250 W) speakers?

PS A manager at the AV-shop told me that they have the M2 version (MkII) with fixed HDMI or videochip, somelike this. I couldn't find any details out there. Is this true?

 

[Isosevodes]

How about Klipsch RF7-III’s?

 

[Trebdp83]

How about Klipsch RF7-III’s?

The RZ70 will be fine with the Klipsch speakers. Haven't you ordered it yet?

 

[Merc62]

How about Klipsch RF7-III’s?

Too expensive for me. Especially if I want the 7.1.4 setup. And I'm trying to hide LCR inside the baffle wall. So no floorstanding speakers for me.

 

[dlaloum]

Hi guys im kinda in the same boat here. I can buy a marantz cinema 40 (pretty much a x4800h) for 1650 euros or the onkyo rz70 for 2000. If I add dirac the marantz will also go up 2 the same price. So both 2k. I have no idea which one to pick, how do you compare the rz70 to the 4800h? Some people say it blows the c40/4800h out of the water and so.e say its overhyped. I have a simple setup, front speakers: klipsch rf7, center klipsch rc504c and klipsch surround speakers. And I dont have a sub. Thanks in advance! @aw73 @Trebdp83

If 2 subs are enough for you, then the RZ70 is better value, much better amps.

On the other hand Marantz has committed to release Dirac ART on its AVR, no formal word from Onkyo (although I believe that they will support ART.... still there are no guarantees!) - but ART will be extra $$$ either way.

The Marantz + external power amps can match the Onkyo, with a 4 sub setup .... but ends up costing more.

My personal choice would be the Onkyo... If going Marantz the AV10 would be the equivalent... possibly marginally better than the RZ70 - but considerably more expensive.

 

[lhcpr1]

Again, if you want to be sure whether setting to 4 ohm would "rob" your speaker of "power", you can do your calculations using one of those online calculators to find out what you maximum requirement is. If that is below what the graph shows, then you can set it to 4-ohm without any audible effects. In that case, setting to 4 ohm would be just for a little more peace of mind, that's all.

If you need help in using those calculators just let me/us know. You have a very nice AVR and speakers, we would like you to get the best out of them.

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Thanks for your gracious response here PENG - I am appreciative for the offer of assistance and I might take u up on that once I'm a little more established.

In the interim, would you mind sending some links to "one of those online calculators ...." you refer to. I'll start tinkering around a bit and keep you posted.

Thanks