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[AcuDefTechGuy]

I agree, and you should look at Trinnov's tweaking abilities, they are next level IMHO. Their products are cinema grade, including optimizing active crossovers up to a total of 64 channels.

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Sure, as soon as I can see some proofs of REW FR graphs that are +/-0.5dB.

If they are +/-3.5dB like some I've seen, why would I care what kind of tweaking it can do?

If someone said to you, “You gotta go audition these speakers because they are absolutely amazing”, and then you see that the FR of the speakers was +/-6dB, would you care to go see it?

 

[dlaloum]

My 5.2.4 setup bass (20Hz to 150Hz) after tuning with Dirac Live Room Control (standard EQ, same as Audyssey, YPAO or ARC)

Same setup after tuning / calibrating with ART:

I don't believe this kind of result is even close to possible with traditional EQ systems (regardless of brand!) - Dirac ART is bringing something new and quite different to the table.

For those unfamiliar with waterfall charts - this is showing frequency/amplitude as well as time (in ms) - so it shows the frequency response, but also the decay generated by reverb in the room - it quickly highlights modes/nodes as well as less persistant decay issues.

P.S: measured using REW with a UMIK1 calibrated measurement microphone - at home on my setup.

 

[PENG]

Speaking of REW, are there any REW graphs of Trinnov to show that it's actually any better than anything else?

No idea, we would have to a search. Trinnov's stuff are too expensive imo, I can afford the price but I just won't bother, see not enough reasons to own any of their AVP that have many features/functions that I don't need and won't use. The only reason I see, if to own something that costs so much and is unique in the sense that there are really no competition, yet still don't seem to have the best hardware I would want, examples: what kind of DAC, volume control, opamp ICs are used in their top 2 models?

 

[PENG]

Without going into comparisons with other systems, ARC is a useful tool for achieving certain goals. I do wish it supported more increments in it's internal adjustments (for better flattening of up and down adjacent ranges) or allowed for a least a couple user input PEQ adjustments on top of the rest. Like most room EQ, it does far better with peak reductions than dealing with dips, so sometimes you need to keep that in mind when planning your approach. Still, I have been able to reasonably tune things to my desired state using it and I have taken and posted multiple ARC and REW measurement screens going over the various steps of the process and their results.

Good to know, and love to see measurements. Please kindly provide a link, did you post on ASR? That's just about the only place I can see some ARC G measurements, not the >1000 pages of posts on AVSF where one can tell where the real fans are lol....

Link to some ARC G REW measurements, including mine:

ARC Genesis results | Audio Science Review (ASR) Forum

By the way, here is just an example of how poorly it did for me, even peaks, when compared to Audy and Dirac:

Below is one post where I showed screenshots of ARC G's good looking interface, but it also show how restricted it is in terms of adjustability for users to make/tweak:

Anthem AVM70 Review (AV Processor) | Page 49 | Audio Science Review (ASR) Forum

You can see why it is so difficult, even ridiculous imo to say, try lowering a 6 dB peak at say 80 Hz, that YPAO would let you flatten it quickly with just one PEQ filter if you know how to set the "Q". With ARC G, tough luck trying that!!

 

[dolynick]

Please kindly provide a link

Posted in the systems section here for several months now.

I doubt you'll be satisfied anyways though. You've been singing the same tune for some time here and in other places. My post was more about encouraging NMG that it could be helpful.

 

[PENG]

Posted in the systems section here for several months now.

I doubt you'll be satisfied anyways though. You've been singing the same tune for some time here and in other places. My post was more about encouraging NMG that it could be helpful.

I would still want to see yours, and hope it is easy to find, thanks. Of course it could be helpful, and if that’s your tune, I guess I could sing the same too.

In fact I have said something similar many times. My point is that if more people have been more objective and not blindly sing their same tune all the time that ARC is the best, nothing. beats it etc without supporting data, then I bet Anthem might have been further ahead already.

As an example of how not so positive feedback works, on ASR, people used to complain about Marantz AVR/AVP, failed to measure as good as Denon’s. One generation later, now they do measure very well. Marantz listened, worked on it, and delivered results. That does not mean their last generation was bad, it is about improvements. I like my AVM70 a lot, but that’s why I really want, and hope Anthem would on ARC’s effectiveness, then I don’t have to choose my next upgrade/update based on the hardware side only.

 

[dolynick]

I would still want to see yours, and hope it is easy to find, thanks.

Living Room System

My living room system pulls duty for "fill the house with music" and more casual/lazy HT viewing, or if I just want to watch something on the QD-OLED instead. It's just gone through a round of up upgrades in the last few weeks as well. Current Equipment: Television: 65" Samsung S95C QD-OLED...

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The last few posts with the set up and tuning of the new Founder 100Fs is what you'll want to look at. I documented the process I used for A) integrating my REL setup via high-level connection to the mains for a 2.0 music setup and B) how I then also integrated that with a pair of SVS subs for a 2.1/4.1 option for movies. You get base REW measurements, the ARC measurements, the chosen correction targets and curves (along with the reasoning on why I chose them) as well as a post correction REW measurement for the final integrations.

 

[PENG]

Living Room System

My living room system pulls duty for "fill the house with music" and more casual/lazy HT viewing, or if I just want to watch something on the QD-OLED instead. It's just gone through a round of up upgrades in the last few weeks as well. Current Equipment: Television: 65" Samsung S95C QD-OLED...

forums.audioholics.com

The last few posts with the set up and tuning of the new Founder 100Fs is what you'll want to look at. I documented the process I used for A) integrating my REL setup via high-level connection to the mains for a 2.0 music setup and B) how I then also integrated that with a pair of SVS subs for a 2.1/4.1 option for movies. You get base REW measurements, the ARC measurements, the chosen correction targets and curves (along with the reasoning on why I chose them) as well as a post correction REW measurement for the final integrations.

Found your posts, thank you very much.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

My 5.2.4 setup bass (20Hz to 150Hz) after tuning with Dirac Live Room Control (standard EQ, same as Audyssey, YPAO or ARC)

P.S: measured using REW with a UMIK1 calibrated measurement microphone - at home on my setup.

So you only correct the bass region below 200Hz?

No EQ or correction above 200Hz?

 

[dlaloum]

So you only correct the bass region below 200Hz?

No EQ or correction above 200Hz?

Dirac ART only works in the 20-150Hz region. It works on tackling the Room... Decay time, nulls/nodes etc... also gets all speakers working cooperatively (supporting each other) - this is a paradigm shift product, and requires thinking about the system very differently.

Dirac Live (layered on top of ART) provides EQ - and does the same thing that most any of its competitors do, plus it has impulse and phase correction/adjustment. It can be configured full range or whatever range you want...

I have previously used Dirac Live with a target curve based on the speakers natural in room measured F/R.... so as to minimise EQ (above circa 200Hz) - DL still provided definitely improved clarity in this configuration.

Currently I am using their "easy"/automated option - which has two "handles / shelves" one for bass and one for treble - you simply set the +/- db limit, and Dirac then gently adjusts the speaker EQ to approximate the desired result, while keeping the overall speaker character... (the manual target curves can get far more draconian, and very fine adjustments can be made)
I have it set for bass +0db (no Harman curve here!) and treble -3db

Due to audible improvements in the midrange clarity with DL running full range, I have not gone further with trying limited range EQ (ie: below schroeder frequency only).