PSA subwoofers. I talked with Tom

[Matt34]

Yours is a hopeful posting.

There is no reason for PSA to not submit their subs for testing—other than they may not test well. And “who” gets into spats with “THE” only reviewer still doing ground plane CEA2010 measurements? Seems a poor judgement call.

Sure there is, no manufacturer is beholden to provide free product to a publication for review. Tom and company have been at this for decades and has in the past, had his subs externally tested. Obviously, he didn't find it all that beneficial.

 

[Golfx]

That doesn’t stop thousands of customers buying their subs and getting objective data IN THEIR OWN ROOM. PSA, Rythmik, JTR, DSS & Seaton Sound all make excellent products and provide a great value.


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All but PSA submitted their subs for testing.

In room testing comes with room gain and a healthy dose of confirmation bias.

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

All but PSA submitted their subs for testing.

In room testing comes with room gain and a healthy dose of confirmation bias.

Just to play devils advocate here. Your statements are true. But you can’t measure confirmation bias with rew. I’ve seen more than a few sweeps illustrating “bias confirmation” though, so to speak. I’m also pretty sure Toms design work at svs is still in some of their last generation subs. I don’t have proof of that, but seem to remember that from other threads. It’s easy to get down on the guy for not sending out his subs for review. I for one would love to see some cea2010 numbers, and I do believe it would benefit the AV community overall.
BUT, at the end of the day his business model works for him, and he’s absolutely satisfied.

 

[Golfx]

Just to play devils advocate here. Your statements are true. But you can’t measure confirmation bias with rew. I’ve seen more than a few sweeps illustrating “bias confirmation” though, so to speak. I’m also pretty sure Toms design work at svs is still in some of their last generation subs. I don’t have proof of that, but seem to remember that from other threads. It’s easy to get down on the guy for not sending out his subs for review. I for one would love to see some cea2010 numbers, and I do believe it would benefit the AV community overall.
BUT, at the end of the day his business model works for him, and he’s absolutely satisfied.

Other manufacturers submit their products for review. I just want a basis for comparison other than popularity. His reluctance provides unnecessary doubt. Perhaps they will compete very well. We will apparently never know.

 

[shadyJ]

Other manufacturers submit their products for review. I just want a basis for comparison other than popularity. His reluctance provides unnecessary doubt. Perhaps they will compete very well. We will apparently never know.

His products probably perform well but they won't match what Josh Ricci managed to measure with the same drivers. Remember that Ricci was using an amp with nearly unlimited power. Those who use Ricci's measurements as a basis for PSA's products will be off the mark. We will never know by how much, of course.