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pewternhrata

Audioholic Chief
As much as you may hate 'big oil' (to a certain degree I do as well) another point of interest will need to be played out......... infrastructure.

As less and less ICE vehicles inhabit the roads the revenue from fuel and the associated taxes derived to maintain roads and bridges will need to be addressed by the Fed and the States. Doing this without any Gov't boondoggle should be interesting !

Also to remember, current EV's weigh in most cases more than their ICE counterparts to which they compete and as such would account for more road/bridge repair.
Read something with the weight that got me thinking. On commercial use, semi trucks. Max load is 80k lbs, batteries currently would take up close to 10k lbs, now the trucks are hauling less cargo which in turn would cause those products to go up in price. So it's not even just the repair on roads that costs more, but efficiency of transportation will suffer too.
 
Trell

Trell

Audioholic Samurai
With diesel/gasoline much of the cost are externalized for others to suffer, like pollution.

Whether or not US companies can compete in making energy efficient vehicles remains to be seen.
 
MaxInValrico

MaxInValrico

Audioholic
Read something with the weight that got me thinking. On commercial use, semi trucks. Max load is 80k lbs, batteries currently would take up close to 10k lbs, now the trucks are hauling less cargo which in turn would cause those products to go up in price. So it's not even just the repair on roads that costs more, but efficiency of transportation will suffer too.
Have you considered/factored how much a Semi's drive train weighs?
 
ryanosaur

ryanosaur

Audioholic Warlord

A little interesting insight about weight of Semi Trucks... ;)
 
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jhaider

Audiophyte
Ok, we got off track on the EV discussion. So to get back in that direction would the hybrid vehicle be the smart answer at this juncture ?
Hybrid was the smart answer a decade ago. Today, why mess with the extra complexity and storage loss?

We’ve been all in on modern cars for a about a year now. My wife ordered a Model 3 (long range RWD, a configuration no longer offered) the day of Musk’s keynote and it was delivered in the summer of 2018. I followed suit with a Model Y (7 seat long range AWD). I’m glad to drive an American car, something I never thought I’d be able to say - everything out of the other US automakers has been hot garbage for as long as I’ve been alive.

The only thing I don’t love about either car is the wide turning circle. We’ve done road trips in both cars, and the Supercharger network is great.

At this point in time I couldn’t imagine spending real money on a legacy-mobile. A beater to tide you over until the price gap between moderns and legacies comes down, maybe. But spending a lot on a legacy car is just getting a boat anchor that will depreciate like a surround processor without immersive. (I recently saw an Anthem D2v on sale for hundreds, not thousands, of dollars.)

We’re all in on Tesla but there are now others in the game. Mach-E may be the best Big Three thing ever. Hyundai/Kia just introduced some really nice ones. So far I’m less enamored of the German ones that aren’t Taycan or i3 (a near perfect urban commuter car), but they will be coming along. It’s worth looking around.
 
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Mikado463

Mikado463

Audioholic Ninja
Hybrid was the smart answer a decade ago. Today, why mess with the extra complexity and storage loss?

We’ve been all in on modern cars for a about a year now. My wife ordered a Model 3 (long range RWD, a configuration no longer offered) the day of Musk’s keynote and it was delivered in the summer of 2018. I followed suit with a Model Y (7 seat long range AWD). I’m glad to drive an American car, something I never thought I’d be able to say - everything out of the other US automakers has been hot garbage for as long as I’ve been alive.

The only thing I don’t love about either car is the wide turning circle. We’ve done road trips in both cars, and the Supercharger network is great.

At this point in time I couldn’t imagine spending real money on a legacy-mobile. A beater to tide you over until the price gap between moderns and legacies comes down, maybe. But spending a lot on a legacy car is just getting a boat anchor that will depreciate like a surround processor without immersive. (I recently saw an Anthem D2v on sale for hundreds, not thousands, of dollars.)

We’re all in on Tesla but there are now others in the game. Mach-E may be the best Big Three thing ever. Hyundai/Kia just introduced some really nice ones. So far I’m less enamored of the German ones that aren’t Taycan or i3 (a near perfect urban commuter car), but they will be coming along. It’s worth looking around.
While I get your gist, I disagree on the hybrid thing ten years ago because ones choices were very limited, can you say fugly looking Prius ! Regardless, I'll probably be replacing my '17 X5 in a couple of years and for me I'm thinking one more ICE ........
 
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jhaider

Audiophyte
While I get your gist, I disagree on the hybrid thing ten years ago because ones choices were very limited, can you say fugly looking Prius !
Well…my previous car was a 2012 Lexus CT200h - basically a Prius mk 2 in more conventional hatchback format. Lexus also had an RX line hybrid at the time. Honda had a few as well.
 
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