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[zumbo]

I had a '96 Honda 750 Magna. Nice bike. Traded it in on a '99 ZRX 1100. The ZRX would spank the Magna, but most 600 sport bikes were a little quicker. Well, I jetted the carbs with a Dynojet stage three kit. Installed K&N filters. Installed a Muzzy Race Megaphone. And, I had ZX11 cams installed. Bike was 90hp stock. It's 127hp now. Very quick. But, the cams took the fun to ride out of it. All the power is in the red. Power used to come on in the middle, and fall off up top. Well, it loves it in the red now. Hard to ride on the street without breaking the law. Not to mention, on one wheel. Got it for sale. Had to grow up and get another cruiser.

 

[flyv65]

.....does you handle reflect a Honda V-65 Magna?.......

Indeed it does, Mulester, I had two of them: an '86 V65 Magna that had the best set of carbs on it I've ever experienced (although the tranny had been toasted by two previous owners), and an '84 that was, I modestly state, *cherry*. I ran the last one for about 4 years before I realized I had the wrong tool for canyon carving and bought a CBR1100XX. I really love the V65 anythings, but I don't think I can go back to them: the generational differences in handling are too large to be ignored.

Bryan...I'd have one for a backup bike, again tho'...

 

[flyv65]

I had a '96 Honda 750 Magna. Nice bike. Traded it in on a '99 ZRX 1100. The ZRX would spank the Magna, but most 600 sport bikes were a little quicker. Well, I jetted the carbs with a Dynojet stage three kit. Installed K&N filters. Installed a Muzzy Race Megaphone. And, I had ZX11 cams installed. Bike was 90hp stock. It's 127hp now. Very quick. But, the cams took the fun to ride out of it. All the power is in the red. Power used to come on in the middle, and fall off up top. Well, it loves it in the red now. Hard to ride on the street without breaking the law. Not to mention, on one wheel. Got it for sale. Had to grow up and get another cruiser.

My wife rides a '94 750 Magna-that little devil has some serious squirt for a cruiser, by golly. She's currently shopping for one of the lighter standards with a decent size gas tank (maybe an R1150R; although she hasn't ruled out a VFR or Sprint ST). A friend of mine has been riding a ZRX1200 for about 2 years now and he loves it-that thing just surfs along on this rich, creamy wave of torque. It also responds exceptionally well to peg weighting don't you think, Zumbo? I mean, it seems to countersteer pretty well, but if you really trounce on the footpeg it snaps right over and holds a steady line (well, maybe there is a *little* flex). I'd say the ZRX is some serious bang for the buck-but not a beginner's bike.

Bryan...the new BMW R1200ST is tasty, too...

 

[mulester7]

.....Fly, for the sake of this Bose Accoustimass thread, I relate this.....

.....I had a Yamaha 650 twin new in 1972, candy-apple red....the engine was a take-off, and actually a copy, of the Triumph Bonneville of the 60's or so....and Buddy, that was the baddest of the bad at that time....two carbs....anyhow, the '72 Yamaha 650 was tough through third and most of fourth, just like the Bonnevilles of the 60's....I never owned a Bonneville, but rode two of friends' in high school....anyhow, I could get 112 out of the '72 Yammer 650 going "down" a slight grade of the freeway, soon after leaving Conway heading for NLR....this was a long straight, too....about three miles....it took forever to get from 105 to 112....

....Fly, you said the "stock", Hayabusa and Yammer's 1200 were "restricted" to 186, and that is what the public can buy governed by law....ahem....can you possibly give some trap times on closed-curcuit tracks that have straightaways the-longest, for the FASTEST factory-built crotch-rockets that are destined ONLY for the closed-curcuit tracks?......

.....one last item....Fly, here's a quote from your last one....."douched in Champagne"....Fly, I once heard about an ole' gal like that, haha......

 

[zumbo]

How about this. . Or more juice, what about this. .

To me, Honda makes the best (overall build) bikes at the moment. It's the materials. They use only the best. And fit-and-finish is top-notch.

 

[mulester7]

I had a '96 Honda 750 Magna. Nice bike. Traded it in on a '99 ZRX 1100. The ZRX would spank the Magna, but most 600 sport bikes were a little quicker. Well, I jetted the carbs with a Dynojet stage three kit. Installed K&N filters. Installed a Muzzy Race Megaphone. And, I had ZX11 cams installed. Bike was 90hp stock. It's 127hp now. Very quick. But, the cams took the fun to ride out of it. All the power is in the red. Power used to come on in the middle, and fall off up top. Well, it loves it in the red now. Hard to ride on the street without breaking the law. Not to mention, on one wheel. Got it for sale. Had to grow up and get another cruiser.

.....woooooooow, Zumbo, you been holdin' out on us....yeah, when I went to the Cobra Slash-Cut Slip-On's, I had to have oversized jets for the released pressure, to not burn the cylinder heads....makes a lot of sense, add more gas, haha....my horsepower went from stock 140 measured at the the back tire by Yamaha, up about 10%, I was told....what I love about a hydraulic clutch would be three screens, but I'll say this...at ten years old, my '92's clutch was still grapping at the VERY same spot as when I drove it away brand-spanking....I will admit it had stiffened up a little, but still was pleasant to pull, and was catching in the VERY same spot for ten years....you cable clutch owners through the years are now staring into space, haha.....Fly, where's that report on loooooong straightaways closed curcuit?....we're talkin', and I ain't proofin' nothing....we're live, boys...

 

[zumbo]

.....woooooooow, Zumbo, you been holdin' out on us....yeah, when I went to the Cobra Slash-Cut Slip-On's, I had to have oversized jets for the released pressure, to not burn the cylinder heads....makes a lot of sense, add more gas, haha....my horsepower went from stock 140 measured at the the back tire by Yamaha, up about 10%, I was told....what I love about a hydraulic clutch would be three screens, but I'll say this...at ten years old, my '92's clutch was still grapping at the VERY same spot as when I drove it away brand-spanking....I will admit it had stiffened up a little, but still was pleasant to pull, and was catching in the VERY same spot for ten years....you cable clutch owners through the years are now staring into space, haha.....Fly, where's that report on loooooong straightaways closed curcuit?....we're talkin', and I ain't proofin' nothing....we're live, boys...

My ZRX is hydraulic. The Ninja's are straight pull. On-the-other-hand, the CBR's are hydrolic. I like the new CBR's, but my sport-bike days are over. I just hop on my '01 CR250 when I need a rush. No police in the dirt.

One of thes days I'm going to get a digital camara so I can post some pics.

 

[flyv65]

....Fly, you said the "stock", Hayabusa and Yammer's 1200 were "restricted" to 186, and that is what the public can buy governed by law....ahem....can you possibly give some trap times on closed-curcuit tracks that have straightaways the-longest, for the FASTEST factory-built crotch-rockets that are destined ONLY for the closed-curcuit tracks?......

Well, you just don't see factory built hyperGT bikes out there; the best I can tel you is that one of the Brit mags (Performance Bike, IIRC) has clocked a turbo, overbore 'Busa to 212 mph and an overbore Blackbird to 200 mph. Now, these bikes require INSANE amounts of horsepower to hit these speeds, because a motorcycle (all motorcycles) are woefully non-aerodynamic...and it's not the bike's fault. Rather the hairy, lumpy, monkey clinging in wretched terror to the bars creates extraordinary amounts of drag-it's this drag that requires the ponies.

If you're serious about looking at top speed runs for one off (or "barely legal" steetbikes), there is a guy who specializes in *tickling* Suzuki products who lives in the Carolinas someplace, and is a big W kinda Wizard, according to Sportrider magazine...but now you've wandered off the beaten path of affordable mods and into the dark woodlands of custom engine work-I hope you brought a flashlight.

Something else to think about: EVERY motorcycle manufacturer put speedos on their bikes that read 5 to 10 percent higher than true speed. Think you're doing a buck forty? Strap on a GPS (or your old bicycle computer if yer pinchin' pennies) and tell me what you see: I bet that 140 is more like 125 to 130, eh?

Bryan...it's got to do with DOT regs for road vehicles...

 

[mulester7]

.....one last point to readers about crotch-rockets....

.....four cylinders, whether inline or V'd, sending their exhaust to ONE outlet, now referred to as 4-into-1, is the MOST acceleration, and let's just say, "power", a motorcycle can attain....you attain what is called, "getting up on the pipe", in the higher rpm's, or I've heard it said, "the pipe coming into it's own"....you hear that first one a lot with 2-stroke dirt bikes....mine has a 4-into-2 system, and gives a great effect combined with V-Boost....

.....ALL crotch-rockets have a 4-into-1 pipe systems....and it's a FACTORY-TUNED system....add that to HIGH horse-power, (lotsa' gas), INLINE-4, (maximum revs), MOLY-TUBED FRAME YOU CAN PICK UP WITH ONE FINGER, A BODY OF FIBERGLASS ENCASING--WIND-TUNNEL TESTED, ALUMINUM WHEELS, add the pipe now, and you got a crotch-rocket....which you can buy legally for street and public highway use....yes, the one you can buy, "basically", only differs from the one you can't buy that is made for closed-curcuit, by carburating a LITTLE less gas to the one YOU can buy....(now think, "restricted to 186", for the one you can buy")....(also think nephew)....over.....

 

[zumbo]

Something else to think about: EVERY motorcycle manufacturer put speedos on their bikes that read 5 to 10 percent higher than true speed. Think you're doing a buck forty? Strap on a GPS (or your old bicycle computer if yer pinchin' pennies) and tell me what you see: I bet that 140 is more like 125 to 130, eh?

I agree with this. I can hit 160 on my ZRX. I doubt it's really 160.

 

[mulester7]

.....good stuff, Fly, good stuff....I don't care if they do 186 or 500, really, except my Daughter said they are killing young men at what is becoming an alarming rate to police....you can't beat a 2 cylinder for fun-for-two....one day when I grow up I may get one, haha.....boys, let's break and go eat....I may get face-down in some cheap Chinese....I love the way salt and pepper doesn't even enter my mind with Chinese....this place I go has a rep I thought was silly up until the other night....I've been thinking about the fortune cookie from the other night the most....after eating until I was about to have to swagger to the checkout Lady bent-over, I tore open the plastic-wrap of my fortune cookie, held the cookie and snapped it in half, pulled out the 1/4 inch white paper, and held it up to read....Buck, here's what it said...."THAT WASN'T CHICKEN"....Buck, does that mean they call chickens something different in China?....huh?....Buck, something else, I hardly ever see a cat in the neighborhood of that cheap Chinese place....that mean anything?....huh?.....

 

[flyv65]

......four cylinders, whether inline or V'd, sending their exhaust to ONE outlet, now referred to as 4-into-1, is the MOST acceleration, and let's just say, "power", a motorcycle can attain....you attain what is called, "getting up on the pipe", in the higher rpm's, or I've heard it said, "the pipe coming into it's own"....you hear that first one a lot with 2-stroke dirt bikes....mine has a 4-into-2 system, and gives a great effect combined with V-Boost....

Dang it Mulie, I swear you say things like this just so I *have* to correct you: I mean, what if somebody believed you when you said this stuff? The exhaust system of a sportbike can be tuned for any number of results, including peak bhp, torque, and tractability; and there are a number of ways this can be done, with specific style/type exhausts (4-2-1, 4-1, 4-2-1-2, 4-2, etc), header pipe length (back pressure/scavenging), and manufacturing techniques like hydro-forming that increase laminar flow of the gases. True, a 4-1 is *typically* considered a peak hp exhaust, but usually at the expense of less power in the midrange. Now, the phrase "gettin on the pipe" means several things, but for bikes it means that you've got a 2 stroke engine (2-smoker) that is coming into the tuned portion of its performance band. With classical 2smokers you'd whack open the throttle and you'd get nothingnothingnothingnothOHHMYGOD-then the windscreen would rise up and pop you in the mouth. Next thing you know your buddies are picking the bike off your chest. This is a much less noticeable occurance with modern 4 stroke sportbikes.

.....ALL crotch-rockets have a 4-into-1 pipe systems....and it's a FACTORY-TUNED system....add that to HIGH horse-power, (lotsa' gas), INLINE-4, (maximum revs), MOLY-TUBED FRAME YOU CAN PICK UP WITH ONE FINGER, A BODY OF FIBERGLASS ENCASING--WIND-TUNNEL TESTED, ALUMINUM WHEELS, add the pipe now, and you got a crotch-rocket....which you can buy legally for street and public highway use....yes, the one you can buy, "basically", only differs from the one you can't buy that is made for closed-curcuit, by carburating a LITTLE less gas to the one YOU can buy....(now think, "restricted to 186", for the one you can buy")....(also think nephew)....over.....

All "crotch rockets" do not have 4-1 systems, although the factory exhausts are getting damned hard to beat on the new liter class and 600 bikes. There is no moly-tubed frame on any production sportbike, and the (predominantly) aluminum frames used couldn't be picked up with one finger if the bike were disassembled and laid out separately. You are correct in that it is frightening to think that any 18 year old could walk into a dealership, plunk down a credit card w/ a $10k limit on it, and walk out with a bike honestly capable of 150 mph, but it's just as frightening to think that the very same 16 year old could be behind the wheel of a Hummer with no more skill or experience... difference being on the bike if the kid screws up he takes his underacheiving chromosomes out of the gene pool; in the Hummer he could take out one of us.

you seem fascinated with the concept of top speed Mulester; is there a stretched swingarm from your past hidden in your garage?

Bryan...learn to turn-anybody can pull the trigger...

 

[flyv65]

.....good stuff, Fly, good stuff....I don't care if they do 186 or 500, really, except my Daughter said they are killing young men at what is becoming an alarming rate to police....

Well of COURSE its alarming to the police: if they die, they can't write them anymore tickets!

Bryan...don't say there aren't quotas, either...

 

[Buckeyefan 1]

Interesting thread guys, on an A/V site. Anyhow, I agree with this too:

You are correct in that it is frightening to think that any 18 year old could walk into a dealership, plunk down a credit card w/ a $10k limit on it, and walk out with a bike honestly capable of 150 mph, but it's just a frightening to think that the very same 16 year old could be behind the wheel of a Hummer with no more skill or experience... difference being on the bike if the kid screws up he takes his underacheiving chromosomes out of the gene pool; in the Hummer he could take out one of us.

And would like to add that very, very few people should be permitted to purchase a GSXR1000, ZX12R, R1, and the like because very, very few people can handle that type of a bike. The younger riders want to test the limits of these machines, and wind up pizza into a telephone pole or underpass. The Busa falls into that category also, but it's a heavier bike. It gives you a little more beef than these featherweight rockets above. I had an early gen Ninja 600 that was plenty fast, plenty fun, and picked up the chix like there was no tomorrow. A 750 would have been a nice upgrade, but life flew by and reality set in. Now cruisers seem to be the hit. I love the sportbikes, but anything you can't ride for more than a half hour in comfort is not for me. Be careful out there - it's an offensive world!

 

[flyv65]

And would like to add that very, very few people should be permitted to purchase a GSXR1000, ZX12R, R1, and the like because very, very few people can handle that type of a bike.

Careful there, Buckeye: you're tap-dancing perilously close to graded motorcycle licensing, a concept that logically should be applied to automobiles as well. Of course it won't because in America the privilege of driving is considered a right.

The younger riders want to test the limits of these machines, and wind up pizza into a telephone pole or underpass. The Busa falls into that category also, but it's a heavier bike. It gives you a little more beef than these featherweight rockets above.

Two points here: I wouldn't give older riders a pass on the stupidity of whacking open the throttle; and also would like to point out that if you auger into a telephone pole at upwards of 100 mph it won't matter whether your bike weighs 500lbs (the 'Busa), or 425 lbs (the 600's): the EMTs will be out there with a sponge, a spatula, and a Ziploc picking up whats left.

I had an early gen Ninja 600 that was plenty fast, plenty fun, and picked up the chix like there was no tomorrow. A 750 would have been a nice upgrade, but life flew by and reality set in. Now cruisers seem to be the hit. I love the sportbikes, but anything you can't ride for more than a half hour in comfort is not for me. Be careful out there - it's an offensive world!

Hmmmm, I rode 1,056 miles in one day on my 40th birthday (on what some call a crotch rocket) just to see if I could do it. turns out I could, and it wasn't all that painful. I find my Blackbird is ideally suited for 300 to 400 mile days of mostly twisty touring, and would recommend it to like minded folks.

Bryan...but that's just me-you do whatever floats yer boat...

 

[mulester7]

"you seem fascinated with the concept of top speed Mulester; is there a stretched swingarm from your past hidden in your garage?"

.....Fly, I saw one those swingarm things one night on a gray V-Max at a predominately Harley group-ride of what is usually about 25 riders....watching the guy all night, I'm going to say he had it on there for show....his front end didn't need any securing for sure....it looked like crap to me anyway....

.....Fly, when I experience acceleration like I enjoy on my sickle, yes, I am around 120-125....now, if I held that from here to Memphis, I would be guilty of loving speed....speed is what kills....I grab fourth and wrap only for a second or two....then I get off of it and cruise normally....then again, what is normal?, haha....

.....Fly, you know your stuff....I have never owned a dirt bike....when I was a kid I was hearing about my friends hitting trees and stuff in the woods, and I began to appreciate the street and traction....I rode a few though, and it was amazing how a little flick of the clutch with third wrapped could get the back tire throwing dirt on the guy 30 yards behind me....

.....oh, Fly, did I leave out the crotch-rockets have aluminum engines or at least blocks?.....great Accoustimass thread.....

 

[Votrax]

Hmmmm, I rode 1,056 miles in one day on my 40th birthday (on what some call a crotch rocket) just to see if I could do it. turns out I could, and it wasn't all that painful. I find my Blackbird is ideally suited for 300 to 400 mile days of mostly twisty touring, and would recommend it to like minded folks.

Bryan...but that's just me-you do whatever floats yer boat...

I put 1600 miles on my ZX-6R in a three day weekend. Then another 1500 miles within a six week period after that. The hard part about the ride was telling my wife the Dunlop 207's I just put on were worn out in less than two months. I recently rented a Harley Sportster 1200 custom and it was actually less comfortable than my Ninja. In fact my brother-in-laws custom chopper was more comfy than the Sportster.

I too owned a V-65 until my first wife made me get rid of it. I got rid of her years ago and moved on to crotch rockets. I would love to get another as a second ride. As of now I've got my mind set on a liter crotch rocket. It will be my 40th birthday present....if I can hold out for two more years.

 

[flyv65]

I agree with this. I can hit 160 on my ZRX. I doubt it's really 160.

Yeah that's too bad...you're only doing a buck-fortyfive .

Bryan...I'm told my bike will do into the 180's (indicated)...

 

[mulester7]

.....Votrax, there, I finally got it right, I have experienced quick wear with Dunlops also....but that means they're gripping....yours probably reached replacement status on the sides of the front for sure, huh?, you ole' corner-with-that-inside-low-leg-crotch-rocket-rider, you....that works with uprights also....I do it if the corner coming up suddenly is sharper than I thought....the wind against your leg brings the center-of-gravity of the whole picture down, and the bike can stand the slightest bit more upright in the curve....the tire will break loose if you don't swing the leg out to the low side on some corners....all depends on your speed....let's see, why were crotch-rockets first built?....once again....to run on tracks where sand trucks and looney-tuned persons have to buy a ticket and sit in the stands.....

 

[mulester7]

"I took one test-ride on a friends '96 V-Max. I remember that it took some work to NOT wheelie in the parking lot. Anyway, it had enough power (Hell, it has enough power for a medium car), but the seat was too high, it would make the crotch of my pants ride-up all the time if I owned one"


.....Ninja, I was just grazing through comments here and really noticed you said the seat was too high on a V-Max....here's how you make your butt about 3 inches closer to the ground....I did this also with my '92, and had the seat tuck-and-rolled by a shop....my '92, over at Greg's, his, haha, is still a beautiful statement of chrome, candy-apple red paint, and upholstery....oh well, my 2002 will blow every door of it off, haha.....

http://www.corbin.com/yamaha/vmax.shtml