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[Rock&Roll Ninja]

.....Ninja, I was just grazing through comments here and really noticed you said the seat was too high on a V-Max....here's how you make your butt about 3 inches closer to the ground....

Eh, My habit of collecting speeding tickets forced my hand in selling my fast bike. So I bought my Harley, which was such a POS that when time came to replace it, I got a Vulcan. The Vulcan is much lower to thte ground than the V-Max (and narrower too)

 

[Votrax]

"I took one test-ride on a friends '96 V-Max. I remember that it took some work to NOT wheelie in the parking lot. Anyway, it had enough power (Hell, it has enough power for a medium car), but the seat was too high, it would make the crotch of my pants ride-up all the time if I owned one"


.....Ninja, I was just grazing through comments here and really noticed you said the seat was too high on a V-Max....here's how you make your butt about 3 inches closer to the ground....I did this also with my '92, and had the seat tuck-and-rolled by a shop....my '92, over at Greg's, his, haha, is still a beautiful statement of chrome, candy-apple red paint, and upholstery....oh well, my 2002 will blow every door of it off, haha.....

http://www.corbin.com/yamaha/vmax.shtml

The V-Max seat height is inches lower than my bike. Of course I'm not vertically challenged.

 

[soniceuphoria]

Sorry to interrupt the motorcycle discussion but i have an interesting story about BOSE to tell you guys. I was in the local HHGregg's today, and I strolled over to the audio aera to see what they had. I found one of the salespeople trying their hardest to push a BOSE system on this poor guy. So I just had to jump in and explain how much BOSE sucks. The salesperson was pushing the 2 cube and bass module system that was $1300!!!! I explained that for less than the bose system he could put together a great 5.1 system. I went through their selection and put together a system consisting of a H\K reciever, JBL floorstanding fronts, JBL center, JBL 12" sub, Polk Audio surrounds, and a Toshiba DVD player. The total of all this gear was $250 less than the BOSE 2.1 system. He even added a cassette deck, speaker stands for the rears, and wires and it was still less than the BOSE. By then he had begun to see things my way, and was paying less and less attention to the salesperson. After we had finished talking and I was getting ready to go the guy thanked me and shook my hand. I was more than happy to spend the 20 munites I did to save another unsuspecting victim from the corperate crap BOSE slings, not to mention the uneducated salesperson. I just thought you guys might like to have heard this. Happy Listening.
Greg

 

[Buckeyefan 1]

Greg. Nice job. You should split the commission with the HHGregg employee.

 

[flyv65]

Sorry to interrupt the motorcycle discussion but i have an interesting story about BOSE to tell you guys.

SNIP

After we had finished talking and I was getting ready to go the guy thanked me and shook my hand. I was more than happy to spend the 20 munites I did to save another unsuspecting victim from the corperate crap BOSE slings, not to mention the uneducated salesperson. I just thought you guys might like to have heard this. Happy Listening.
Greg

Nicely done, Greg. Patient, rational explanations are all it takes to educate most people.

Bryan...or at least I like to think so...

 

[mulester7]

......well, this may be the one that gets me banned, I don't know, but hey, we're on the Accoustimass thread, ain't we?....I am going to post an IM session I just had with Bob, Mr. Crossover, because he told me some things at the last about phases-of-rolloff and que ratings I think a few here will be interested to read....Bob is too brilliant....he has been working an a crossover for a new model for 7 years....I am going to go ahead and post the whole IM session to let you see some different sides of Bob also....he won't mind.....

.....keep this in mind....when a crossover chops one side of the frequency response sent to a tweet, mid, or woofer, and that's all they do, the higher the amount of rolloff it can employ doing the chopping moves closer and closer to a "seamless" result.....now, no amount of rolloff will ever be perfect to 0.00.....so, inaudible, is the best that can be hoped for.....any amount of hangover, whether inaudible or not, is called the phase of that effort....if our effort so far had been to the ceiling of the woofer from the crossover inside the speaker, it will now be approached by the chopping of the floor of the mid element....with me?....the phase left over from the chopping of the floor of the mid element steps on the phase left over from the chopping of the ceiling of the woofer signal....if that "stepping-on of the phases", done by both phases coming together is inaudible, you're home....so, here's the IM Session, which I initiated in an attitude of where did we leave-off.....


Mulester360: AND,
Spkrart: no time today for audio geeks
Mulester360: I'm not so sure the TL's won't stay wired in series
Spkrart: too many questions, no answers
Mulester360: answers to burn, people to try things, nun
Spkrart: if they do you must have crossed ear drums like crossed eyes
Mulester360: they are now twice-efficient, like it or not
Mulester360: I think though the best for me will be the TL's wired normal
Spkrart: no they are not. they now draw double the power from your amps which are putting out twice as much current
Mulester360: with an SC elevated touching it for one voice
Spkrart: It is an illusion
Mulester360: Bob, the transformer is putting out half as it sees a 12 ohm load
Mulester360: each side sees a 12 ohm load out there in the bushes
Spkrart: Im checking in to the nearest State hospital. I suggest you do the same
Mulester360: send a card
Mulester360: I'm staying right here
Mulester360: the SC's are more stand alone series wired speakers than the TL's
Mulester360: that's why I think the TL's wired normal and SC's wired series will be a great match
Mulester360: haven't tried an SC up right beside a TL, but I can see it as I listen to them individually
Spkrart: You cannot ask a store to go through all that **** They will bounce you out on your ear, your good ear
Mulester360: the SC stands alone though, wired series, and there is no doubt the result is very good
Mulester360: who said a damned word about a store?
Spkrart: I think you're missing a wrench
Mulester360: and I've got the speakers I'm going to quit with anyway
Mulester360: you just won't try it with the ones you've got setup....the ones with 2 6 1/2 woofers

Spkrart: cant
Mulester360: horsepooperino
Spkrart: no second pair
Spkrart: just one pair of speakers
Mulester360: one pair will do fine
Spkrart: no it won't
Mulester360: wire one in series and point it away from you and don't attach an input into it yet
Spkrart: no can do with this amp
Mulester360: listen to a passage about three times only through the one pointing toward you that is wired normal
Mulester360: horsepoop, you got two banks
Spkrart: one bank
Mulester360: you getting stereo through two speakers with one bank?
Spkrart: stereo through two banks and one mortgage and loan
Mulester360: cross the wires on one bank and point the speaker away from you....notice the one pointing toward you has now come to life in the mids and highs
Mulester360: try it or screw it, I'm done
Spkrart: maybe tonight when im drunk
Mulester360: twice-efficient accent speaker
Mulester360: please try this....I want to share it with you, no kidding
Mulester360: whatever and whenever
Spkrart: ok
Mulester360: rotate around the accent speaker pointing away from you for taste
Mulester360: mono signal to both
Mulester360: now I'm done
Mulester360: haha
Mulester360: Bob, listen, I kid you not and raise my right hand....I have been running both the SC's and TL's wired in series for about 4 weeks now....with HUGE headroom....cranked at times for sure
Spkrart: send me schematic
Mulester360: damn
Mulester360: mail or pony-express?
Spkrart: mail
Mulester360: do not hold breath
Mulester360: I would have thought both sides of the mid element would be cut by a crossover
Mulester360: I have been staring into space a couple of times over the tweet rolling off at 60 per octave
Mulester360: with the TL
Mulester360: I see your seamless thing
Mulester360: 24 on the ceiling of the woofer.....damn
Spkrart: zero phase error makes them seamless
Spkrart: Got to go get wife at Dr.
Mulester360: yes, the area of a phase is determined by the rolloff
Mulester360: ok
Spkrart: phase is a lot of determinations. Makes the math difficult. Sound has to arrive at its destination on time, together, like two thrown balls hitting the wall at once
Spkrart: called phase ques
Spkrart: the first reflection
Mulester360: aaahh, is that the que rating?
Spkrart: later dude
Mulester360: ok
Spkrart signed off at 6:52:19 PM.

 

[zumbo]

Lost again. Must take medication.

 

[mulester7]

......hahaha....haha....etc......

 

[Rock&Roll Ninja]

Ummmm.....Ummm......Ummmmm....... Motorcycles! Woo! yeah! Rock & Roll!

 

[Audioholics]

What's ultmately funny is:

1) This proves that OTHER people can't understand what the heck you are saying

2) We need you to post a schematic - your ramblings about cross-wiring aren't clear enough and everyone is simply assuming you are doing something terribly obvious and, while (apparently) making your amp run cooler, is likely not improving the sound quality.

For some reason - you prefer to ramble. You can replace about 100 of your posts with a single schematic.

 

[Shadow_Ferret]

Can I change my vote?

 

[flyv65]

Can I change my vote?

I'm sorry; but after a few beers that seems terribly funny.

Bryan...liquored up and it ain't even my birthday (yet)...

 

[mulester7]

.....Clint, I'm over at Danny's, and we just got through siphon/cleaning his bacteria bed in his fish-tank, and we painted a couple of florescent tubes....

.....you and others ARE taking this away from simple....I'm saying I walk to my speaker with the two-sided speaker for that speaker in my two hands, the + wire in my right hand and the - wire in my left....I get to the speaker and two friends are going work the terminals of the speaker for me....I get to the speaker and stop....I cross my hands over and under each other and my wrists are laying on each other....I push my hands forward and put the two prepared ends of the wires into the terminal posts....the friends sucure the effort....that's all....

.....I just wired that speaker in series, and lessened the load on the amp, and am still within limits of ohmage the amp section can deal with just fine, with the speaker now having the efficiency of a twice increase in ohmage factor.....it's only wiring in series one-deep....why the ohmage seen changes, and why the speaker becomes twice-efficient, I don't know that going very deep....but wiring speakers in series is no big thing....if any of you with a slave amp want to try it, fine....if you don't, fine....

.....you guys with surround receivers, I can't advise your trying this because I don't own a surround receiver to play with....although you've got two amp sections, that is all, and forget the center speaker, you're at a two ohm load seen with three speakers on each side, unless a series-wiring got thrown in....which side then goes to 1 ohm seen powering the center speaker?.....

 

[sjdgpt]

Why is he, and this thread still around?

 

[mulester7]

.....because we all love this Accoustimass thread so much we can't let it die....I try to give tips on some stuff, and would love to have discussion on other points....hang me from the highest tree, I guess.....

 

[Rock&Roll Ninja]

.....Clint, I'm over at Danny's

OK, so far we can follow

, and we just got through siphon/cleaning his bacteria bed in his fish-tank

OK, Danny's a fish or something....

, and we painted a couple of florescent tubes....

OK, Lost. and it only took one sentence.

.....you and others ARE taking this away from simple....

Are you sure its us? lets see what happens next....

I'm saying I walk to my speaker with the two-sided speaker for that speaker in my two hands

Was your former job being an architecht for a computer simulated quasi-reality? Because this is not making much sense.

, the + wire in my right hand and the - wire in my left

While holding a 2-sided speaker in your two hands. I'm impressed with your juggling abilities.

....I get to the speaker and two friends are going work the terminals of the speaker for me....

OK I guess that makes sense, except for how all three of you are fitting into a fish tank.

I get to the speaker and stop....I cross my hands over and under each other and my wrists are laying on each other..

"I crossed my arms" would have suffised.

..I push my hands forward and put the two prepared ends of the wires into the terminal posts....the friends sucure the effort....that's all....

So.... you put the positive lead in the negative hole, and the negative to the positive. gotcha.

.....I just wired that speaker in series, and lessened the load on the amp, and am still within limits of ohmage the amp section can deal with just fine,

Are you sure?

with the speaker now having the efficiency of a twice increase in ohmage factor..

I don't think thats how it works, and you would double the inefficiency anyway, not make it more efficient.

...it's only wiring in series one-deep.

This is a family forum, watch your mouth!

...why the ohmage seen changes, and why the speaker becomes twice-efficient, I don't know that going very deep....but wiring speakers in series is no big thing....if any of you with a slave amp want to try it, fine....if you don't, fine...

More gibberish.

.....you guys with surround receivers, I can't advise your trying this because I don't own a surround receiver to play with

You should get one and find out. they go pretty cheap in pawnshops.

....although you've got two amp sections, that is all, and forget the center speaker, you're at a two ohm load seen with three speakers on each side, unless a series-wiring got thrown in....which side then goes to 1 ohm seen powering the center speaker?.....

Not only would that only make sense if you were wiring 6 speakers to a monoblock (not an AVR), but again you have it backwards. Adding additional devices lowers the efficiency, not double it. If it did double we'd all have full range speakers with 50 drivers each anf a battery operated 1Ohm amp.

 

[Shadow_Ferret]

....hang me from the highest tree, I guess.....

Tempting. Very tempting.

 

[mulester7]

.....Ninja, I'll admit I was slightly irritated at the time I posted that one and didn't proof....let's try again, and I'll note adds with ().....

.....I'm saying I walk to my speaker with the two-sided speaker(-wire) for that speaker in my two hands, the + wire in my right hand and the - wire in my left....I get to the speaker and two friends are going (to) work the terminals of the speaker for me....I get to the speaker and stop....I cross my hands over and under each other and my wrists are laying on each other....I push my hands forward and put the two prepared ends of the wires into the terminal posts....the friends secure the effort (and twist the posts tight on the wires)....that's all....

.....a receiver has two amp sections....period.....now you can pour Miracle Grow in the cabinet and hope for three and that's it....you have 7 speakers in your room not counting the sub/s....forget the sub/s, "and" the center speaker....six speakers are being powered by two amp sections....you can claim all the channels and modes you want to, but they're only the signal being played with at pre-amp level....you have two amp sections, and both only have one poop-hole....you have left and right mains, left and right surrounds, and left and right rears....you have three speakers pushed by the right amp section, the three right speakers, and three pushed by the left amp section, the three left speakers....if all your speakers are designated 8 ohm speakers, and all are wired "normally", which means three individual curcuits of parallel, both sides of both amp sections are now seeing an ohmage load of 2 as per accumulation of "completed" curcuits of parallel....which amp section gets to push the center speaker now and is then seeing a 1 ohmage accumulative factor?......

.....Gentlemen, I guess I need to stay away from stuff like this, and keep my experiments to myself....pitch an opinion every now and then about grounding and sub placement and stuff.....when I first came here I assumed everybody had been asking questions of salesmen and technicians actually not being fulfilled by being told how much stuff costs......

 

[mulester7]

"if all your speakers are designated 8 ohm speakers, and all are wired "normally", which means three individual curcuits of parallel, ("both sides of") both amp sections are now seeing an ohmage load of 2 as per accumulation of "completed" curcuits of parallel....which amp section gets to push the center speaker now and is then seeing a 1 ohmage accumulative factor?......

.....leave out the three words in the ().....let's leave nothing to be confused by.....sorry.......

 

[mulester7]

......and Clint, as much as I would love to be able to post a schematic of ANYTHING, I wouldn't have the first clue how to do it on blank screen here, or hotmail, or anywhere....I could take a picture of a drawing on a piece of paper, and still couldn't post the picture here....

.... I "cross" the two speaker wires at the terminals of the speaker and that's ALL I am doing....I now have a speaker wired in series....the speaker is experiencing the inductive current flow going through the crossover and elements reversed, that is all....my speakers have an ohmage factor of 6 designated to them, and wiring in series makes that factor 12....there are speakers being sold at this time that are rated at 16 ohms....the amp sections of your receiver, or the amp sections of your slave amp, WILL, handle any speaker rated at 16, because such speakers "are available", both presently, and from the past.....hell, I don't know what else to say.......