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[mulester7]

.....that is correct on most counts, Vortax....the first production year 1985 V-Max had a displacement of 1249 cc's....the next year, 1986, it was taken to 1198 cc's and hasn't changed....the only change has been colors, and holes in the brake rotors for cooling and weight....and the rotors went gold one or two years, I think....

.....the main difference between my '92 and '02 is the seat....with the '92, after a solid week of going out when I could, I could only stand the seat for about 20 minutes....no kidding, it was like you were stradling a 12 inch log....with a BIG knot holding your butt in place when you wrapped second, haha....guys, don't wrap first....more engines are blown up in first than any other gear....get going in first and shift, then wrap, haha....

.....Vortax, the incident with the two 600's was in about '97 I think it was....in about '95, I turned factory tuned 4-into-2 stock piping, to Cobra 4-into-4 slash-cuts....it was just like the guy in the showroom told me, it sounded like a small-block Cheverolet....throaty and powerful sounding....sounded great to me....but from the first gentle wrap to get going good, I knew the performance now was not going to be quite as quick....hey, we're talkin' about a V-Max though....

.....the two 600 crotch-rockets were ready for me to stand on second doing aroung 60 as I told them I was going to do....we came around a gentle curve requiring me to take it at about 55 to just be comfortable....they could have taken it at about 135, haha, but we were looking at everybody standing on it around 60....I came out of the curve with both the 600's right behind me about 15 feet and I could see one in each mirror....I downshifted twice and held speed to let them know I was about to stand on one more....when I did stand on second and wrapped it, my rpm's suddenly went far into the V-boost system' range which initiates at 6000 rpm....I don't take it, when serious, to the redline of 9500....I take it to the rev-limiter at 11,000.....a V-Max will EXPLODE when you stand on a much lower gear and LEAP forward with the headlight raising up a foot, I swear....at about 81, I grabbed third and wrapped it....both headlights were in the same spots....I took 3rd to the rev-limiter and shifted to fourth at about 117....

.....Gentlemen, let me say something here....the V-boost feature in essence is 4-barrel carburation instead of two....on each side....all four cylinders fed with HUGE amounts of gas and air....and, the V-Max has almost non-existant fly-wheels in the engine to accelerate more easily with higher than normal cams....EVERYTHING, Gentlemen, on the sides of the road starts to blur at about 110, can I get an Amen?.....

.....back the last, I wrapped fourth up to right at 130, and the headlights were in the same spots....I hit fifth VERY early with no gas, and began a long and sweet RAAAAAAAAACK, as two crotch-rockets SCREAMED by me on both sides in perfect stereo.....huge vibe....trip treasure.....

....Vortax, I have not, and will not, deviate from factory tuned pipes with this 2002 V-Max....it seemed to neuter the performance of the '92, and the 600 riders were giving it ALL they had, they told me later....this 2002 runs better than the '92 before I neutered it, and seems a male with the '92 having been a female....bring your late-model 600 crotch-rocket on, Sir....now, if you bring a 750, I will say it looks like rain and all I'm wearing is paper clothes and go home....nite, all....

.....oh, Buck....your books say Y the mono signal and fill both holes of the sub inputs....may the ears decide....if you hear no difference, eliminate open metal couplers that can catch radio waves and such....and you might not hear anything until it's combined with another problem down the road....C-L-E-A-N.....

 

[flyv65]

Ah yes, the V-max-you gotta love a V four engine; best of both the twin cylinder and inline 4 worlds. The only issue I ever had with Mr. Max was that the engine was writing checks that the frame couldn't cash. Set up properly, that bike would just stomp most takers on a smooth road; but God couldn't help you if you were heeled over and had to brake, or adjust your line in choppy pavement. Sometimes I think that Yamaha made the frame out of garden hose and spray painted it black.

Bryan...still a fun bike, tho'...

 

[mulester7]

.....touche', Fly, haha....isn't it amazing how the frame torques to one side on these drag bikes on TV?....a friend told me Harley was getting in the mix on drag bikes lately using the V-Rod engine....Harley's record on flat-tracking speaks for itself on whether or not a Harley engine can be souped-up horsepower-wise, to NOT be what I call a two-cylinder chugger....I was interested for awhile, before I got this 2002 Yammer-Hammer, in the new 2300 cc Triumph three-cylinder Jr. Boss Hog....I forget the real name of it right now....the specs revealed unbelievable torque....a local Triumph shop said they were only going to get three this year, and the price would not come down from $16,000, and I had to put $1000 down up front....period....I went looking, haha.....

 

[Rock&Roll Ninja]

EVERYTHING, Gentlemen, on the sides of the road starts to blur at about 110, can I get an Amen?.....

Amen, halleluja!

I took one test-ride on a friends '96 V-Max. I remember that it took some work to NOT wheelie in the parking lot. Anyway, it had enough power (Hell, it has enough power for a medium car), but the seat was too high, it would make the crotch of my pants ride-up all the time if I owned one.

 

[mulester7]

.....I hear ya', Ninja....I can't praise the crotch-rockets enough, but they're not my first choice....mainly because I want to see 57, haha....guys, a Suzuki Hayaibusa 1300 crotch-rocket, STOCK, got 154 mph in a standing-start quarter-mile in a magazine article I read this year...."154 in a quarter"...."stock"....I suspect he was toward the middle of his fourth gear crossing the line....still accelerating sharply....4th gear, out of 6....Gentlemen, do you think a Hayabusa, might, run 200?....analagous question....boys, does a fat woman fart?.....

 

[Votrax]

You have to check out the May 2005 Cycle World. Rickey Gadson ran a 9.93 @ 135.05 on a stock 2005 YZF R-6. The only thing they did was lower the bike and went one tooth smaller on the countershaft sprocket.

Oh yeah...what was this thread about?

 

[mulester7]

.....Vortax, great research, and of course I bow to 9.93....ok, and the 135....whatcha' got on 500 crotch-rockets?....to be honest, though, I'd love to stand on second doing about 50 for an eighth with him....

....my first true love was my high school Honda 305 Super Hawk with cool looking upswept shorter megaphones....but my upright-sitting "loves" since then have been Yammer-Hammers....

.....in about '90, I heard there was one of these V-Maxes, used, for sale at a local Honda/Yamaha dealership....when I got there, it was sitting outside....orange colored....gag, in that application....the owner of the business gave me the only loaner helment he had, which was a full-face three sizes too big to go ride the used V-Max....no windshield, about an '87, I guess....the freeway is close to that shop,....oh, when the machine warmed up a little, and I had the helment on and ready to depart, the guy who owned the shop I didn't know from Adam, was standing there close, watching me get on the thing....I looked at him seriously and asked, "whew, now, where's the clutch?"....his expression was priceless as I gently started laughing....I hit the freeway, and already knew I riding an umbelievable runner....to make the story short, I stood on third doing about 75 on the freeway, and was to 115 in about three seconds, in third, and a precedence was set for my next motorcycle....

.....potential speaker buyers, please take note....this motorcycle conversation goes, uninterrupted, on a Bose thread....

 

[mulester7]

.....and Bose could care less what is said about their products....anywhere....sales meetings in The Bahamas, and stuff....thiink Accoustimass now, and wives who shop for it....also think small....small in enough areas to be eliminated when looking for what technology has to offer, for me....small on "point", which now, is my prime consideration, going hand-in-hand with the +or- db spec from top to bottom of the frequency, "re-creation", response, and response applies to both the signal, and the speaker, but "re-creation", applies to our music's last chance....Bose's strong-suit has always been their VERY, acceptable presence....with the two equalizers on my 901's, I felt as though I were on a boom-lift ten feet high, ten feet from, a live orchestra, and it was well recorded for balance, and as many inputs as possible were used when recorded for, "ambience mics"....I thoroughly enjoyed my Bose Set-Up, and I won't slander ANY of their products, based on my love still felt, for my old set-up.....but, with my present speakers, I click on the mains, and I am standing will into the stage from the curtain, and am right on the edge of the orchestra....I click on the surround rears of my present 4.2 toybox, arf, and I am suddenly out, ""IN"", the orchestra, especially with X pattern on left and right signal paths concerning the speakers....Clint, all I can do is raise a grape soda to speakers I had back in 1974, or so....Zumbo, has technology come that far since 1974?....unless it's for more motorcycle talk, this thread will go floating down toward page 2 concerning me.....

 

[mulester7]

.....one last comment....

.....""crotch-rockets were built to run on closed-curcuit tracks like Daytona""....

.....great track....never attended any race there, but stopped and went inside, and looked at it real good, on the way to Daytona Beach, haha....in July....here we go....

.....crotch-rockets were built to run on closed tracks with emphasis on speed....period....I think 230-240 rings a bell, never attended one....to cut a sermon short, I will say crotch-rockets are killing more, older boys and young men than we think, or hear about, on public highways and freeways, especially....

.....my oldest daughter works for the NLR Police, and she told me the other day, some details about six or so crotch-rocket deaths, I'm going to say, locally, in the last couple of months.....listen, all of them were related to, high-speed-hitting-something....one guy slid on the pavement at about 130 into the end of a short-span bridge-end....yeah, concrete....here's the worst one...one guy was doing reported-speed-estimates of 160 when a car pulled out to pass the car ahead on a two lane freeway-side, just outside of NLR, heading toward Memphis, I-40 West.....the crotch-rocket and the rider, hit about 3 feet up, on a ten foot wide vertical span of concrete in the median supporting a bridge overhead....

....if your favorite nephew is about to talk your Brother into buying him a crotch-rocket, go tell your Brother why they were built, what their element is, speed, and suggest a young boy is about climb on....tell your Brother you love that nephew....suggest that nephew will be as happy as a hog in slop with, ANY MOTORCYCLE....suggest a 2 cylinder chugger, and assure the nephew girls LOVE to ride on the back of them, and feel much safer, but still want to hold their man, haha....wave bye at that nephew as you pull out of your Brother's driveway....go home....crank it, thinking about that nephew's high school graduation to come and he still gets a motorcycle....

.....I love them, and have since age 12....nothing like them....T-shirt at night when it's been 90 that day....

.....love your nephews and want what's best for them right beside your Brother, and he'll see that....signed, mule.....

 

[flyv65]

.....one last comment....

.....""crotch-rockets were built to run on closed-curcuit tracks like Daytona""....

SNIP

.....crotch-rockets were built to run on closed tracks with emphasis on speed....period....I think 230-240 rings a bell, never attended one....to cut a sermon short, I will say crotch-rockets are killing more, older boys and young men than we think, or hear about, on public highways and freeways, especially....

SNIP

....if your favorite nephew is about to talk your Brother into buying him a crotch-rocket, go tell your Brother why they were built, what their element is, speed, and suggest a young boy is about climb on...

Gotta disagree with you, Mulester: these bikes are merely the jumping-off point for the race bikes you see on SpeedTV. The difference between a stock 600 and the 600's that roll on track for even the AMA Supersport class is at times breath-taking, nevermind the games that get played with the Formula Extreme bikes.

At this year's Daytona 200 Formula Extreme race I believe the top speed was 188 mph; I doubt you could get a stocker 600 to 170 mph if you shot it out of a cannon. Still, these bikes aren't so much about straight line speed...any Goober can pull the trigger; the real test is corner speed (and *that* takes skill and practice). Once upon a time the Hurt Report stated that the number cause of bike accidents was a left-turning car coming from the other direction. That has now changed to going into a corner too hot-and its about evenly divided between crotch rockets and boat anchors.

For a first bike, I don't think I'd recommend a sportbike OR a cruiser: one has a tad too much horsepower, and the other lacks ground clearance and maneuverability. Perhaps a nice, standard middleweight like the SV650 or a 750 nighthawk from the early '90s: bikes that are easy (and cheap) to fix, and don't cost an arm and a leg to insure and run.

Bryan...how long before Gene or Clint rein us in on this hi-jacked thread?...

 

[howie85]

Hmmmmm?????

Interesting isn't it that the most talked about item on a "Bose" post is motorcycles...

 

[flyv65]

Interesting isn't it that the most talked about item on a "Bose" post is motorcycles...

Well, once the horse is dead there isn't much sense in beating it, right? What about it Howie-are you bored or do you ride?

Bryan...I'm an enabler...

 

[mulester7]

.....Fly, excellent post, and the thing that tickled me most about my first V-Max was when the agent at Progressive, the only place to go with two wheels, asked me if it was a crotch-rocket....I said soothingly, "oh no, Abe, it's just an upright-sitting, ole' standard cruiser"....well, I told the truth....I sit upright, most of the time, and it cruises nicely when I'm holding a constant 60....

.....Fly, answer me....have the close calls when you were flying around 70-80 scared you the most?....would you have had a choice if you had been doing 130-150?....

 

[howie85]

Fly,
Not since my neighbor left for a few weeks one summer around sophmore year in HS. Left the key in the Virago for me and well....It was quite fun for a week or so but the thought of getting caught took some of the pleasure out of it. My parents were not too hip to the idea of "motorcycles". I was fortunate to be in a rural area where there was not much traffic, nobody could see the training wheels...

 

[flyv65]

.....Fly, answer me....have the close calls when you were flying around 70-80 scared you the most?....would you have had a choice if you had been doing 130-150?....

I don't typically *have* close calls, although I can tell you that the ones I've had have all been low speed encounters (less than 25 mph?). It's not the bike or the road that worries me-it's the times I commute to work on the bike in Traffic...the number of people who don't look (or think, for that matter) while they're behind the wheel can be a bit intimidating.

I try to take a riding class every couple of years to improve my skills( I know many other riders who do the same); I've got a library of books and videos on motorcycle riding you wouldn't believe; I am an MSF Rider coach and consequently I demonstrate the basic skill sets in the course on a regular basis (and stay fresh)... but I wonder how many people in cars who got their licences at 16 ever try to improve their driving skills? I bet it's a lower percentage than the folks on two wheels.

Hey Howie; if you're interested, I bet Nevada has a program like Colorado that provides the helmet, motorcycle and classtime to pass the State's test (hint, hint).

Bryan...it's easier to ask forgiveness than permission...

 

[Rock&Roll Ninja]

I commute to work on the bike in Traffic...the number of people who don't look (or think, for that matter) while they're behind the wheel can be a bit intimidating.

A few years ago some scientists did a research on visual memory. In their test they showed a videotape of a basketball game, and told people to count the number of times such-and-such team passed the ball or made a shot. Halfway through the tape, a man in a gorilla suit(!) would run into the center of the screen, dance around for 15 seconds, and leave.

It suprised the researchers when more than half the people tested said they didn't see anything "unusual" during the game. And when they were told about the Gorilla many thought the scientists were lying to them and demanded that they replay the tape.

Why is this important?

This experiment (which is probably now done in hundreds of highschools and colleges every year) shows that memory doesn't function "like a videocamera". People see what they want (or what they think they need to look for) and don't remember anything else. To the average car driver motorcyclists are the gorilla in the basketball game. They aren't looking for "us" and so many of them don't see us even if they look right at us. Scientists believe this is how cars can hit oncoming motorcycles, or back into a stopped bike and still say "I never saw him/her". Sadly this may mean that even using a reflective vest, a bright orange helmet, and "loud pipes" are really meaningless to (maybe) half of all car drivers in the event of making you easily visible.

In the end: Be careful out there, nobody is going to do it for you.

 

[Shadow_Ferret]

Hell, they don't see me in my CAR! I've had people look at me, I swear we actually make eye contact, and yet they still have pulled out in front of me as if I wasn't there! People are just stupid.

 

[mulester7]

.....Shadow, I've had women take on an expression of IRRITATION that they would have to wait for ANYTHING except a car, and pull right out in front of me....now that COULD, be made to be understandable, Ninja, considering we're talking about one of God's fairest creatures called "humanoid female", but I've ACTUALLY had reports of a GUY doing such....yeah, Fly, it was hard for me to believe too....the headlight law for during the day has saved a few motorcyclist's lives, I suspect.....

.....I have two plans of attack concerning my riding a motorcycle, considering I'm going to be sharing the public roads with other humans....one....when in Rome, do as the Romans....ie: don't try to get on the freeway and do 35....the second....EVERYONE ELSE I SEE, ON WHEELS, OF ANY TYPE, IS "GOING" TO DO THE """STUPIDEST""" THING POSSIBLE, AND I "HAVE" TO BE ABLE TO GET MY MOTORCYCLE STOPPED "BEFORE" I HIT THEM, OR THEY HIT ME....to be laying in traction on a hospital bed wrapped in white bandages HOLLERING, "THANK GOODNESS IT WAS HIS FAULT, AND HE GOT THE TICKET!!!, seems a little ludicrous, would not you Gentlemen agree?.....

.....Guys, I just called the local Suzuki shop and asked this question to a guy who obviously wasn't making anything up....I said, "Shawn, let's say I buy one of your Hayabusas brand new".....(remember that's the one that did 154 in a quarter, stock, within the last few months)...."let's say I carefully take it through a break-in period and baby the thing"...."when it's broken-in properly, we change the oil and I go through about a week of stretching it out a little and we're ready for high rpm's"...."I get on the freeway then, and see what it will do under normal conditions and flat smooth road ahead"...."Shawn, how "fast" would my new broke-in-correctly Hayabusa run, in miles-per-hour?"....he said a Hayabusa out of the crate, broken-in, should do about 186....I bow to whoever it was that said it won't do over 200, but I suspect gearing on the stock Hayabusa comes into play for that figure of 186....he said the Hayabusa isn't seen at Daytona, though, only on 1/4 mile strips....I asked him what did Suzuki enter at places like Daytona....he said a 1000 GRX, I think he said....I asked him how fast they went at Daytona, all prepped up, and anything but stock....he instantly said, "225-230".....Gentlemen, I propose we were ALL correct, haha.....

 

[flyv65]

......."Shawn, how "fast" would my new broke-in-correctly Hayabusa run, in miles-per-hour?"....he said a Hayabusa out of the crate, broken-in, should do about 186....I bow to whoever it was that said it won't do over 200, but I suspect gearing on the stock Hayabusa comes into play for that figure of 186....he said the Hayabusa isn't seen at Daytona, though, only on 1/4 mile strips....I asked him what did Suzuki enter at places like Daytona....he said a 1000 GRX, I think he said....I asked him how fast they went at Daytona, all prepped up, and anything but stock....he instantly said, "225-230".....Gentlemen, I propose we were ALL correct, haha.....

Yup, the Hyabusa and the ZX-12R are both *restricted to 186 mph indicated (due to a manufacturers agreement that is EU based). The Heavy bus is a 1300 cc beast, and the 12R is a 1200 cc ride-you were talking about 600cc bikes at one point so those were the ones I referenced. Now as far as your friend Shawn is concerned about the 225-230 mph from a GSXR1000 at Daytona, well...when the highest trap speed recorded at Daytona for January tire testing is 192 mph (on a Honda, by the way), and the highest recorded MotoGP bike speeds are only now getting into the 220 neighborhood, well, no: Shawn is wrong. I would suggest he consult the excellent webites maintained by the AMA and MotoGP which include such data as fastest lap, fastest average speed, fastest trap times, etc.

I'll guarantee you that if they put an AMA prepped Gixxer thou on a MotoGP track the rider would be crossing the line when the winner was on the podium being douched with champagne.

Bryan...'o course, if you put Rossi on the Gixxer all bets are off...

 

[mulester7]

.....EXCELLENT REPORT, FLY, I LOVE IT!!!!, haha....Fly, let's agree on this....considering sand trucks and a few sub-human-mentalities who drive cars occupy public highways and freeways, the public highways and freeways are NOT, THE BEST, conditions for ANY crotch-rocket trying to FLY....can we go with that?....you don't know how much I love to discuss two wheeled vehicles/machines....does you handle reflect a Honda V-65 Magna?.......