I have a Onkyo receiver.

[AcuDefTechGuy]

I don’t know what brand to get when my Onkyo breaks , I think my other avr the hdmi broke but I haven’t used it in a while. I thought Yamaha were supposed to be more reliable than Onkyo?

According to Mr. MCODE, yes Yamaha is supposed to be much more reliable than Onkyo, which he puts at the bottom.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

The Yamaha's just don't have much mid range..

That usually has everything to do with the speakers, setup, and room acoustics and a lot less to do with any AVR.

As with any system, if you don't have enough bass (inadequate setup, speakers, subs, acoustics), the sound will be "lifeless and lame".

 

[dlaloum]

According to Mr. MCODE, yes Yamaha is supposed to be much more reliable than Onkyo, which he puts at the bottom.

They had issued from around 2008 to 2018...

and this AVR is smack bang in that range.

The main issues are the capacitors on the HDMI board - a number of people used to provide a recapping service for those... (there was a bad batch of under-rated / under-spec capacitors, which would fail under high temperature conditions - and guess what, the HDMI boards ran very hot on these AVR's)

These issues do not apply to post 2018 Onkyo AVR's

 

[lovinthehd]

They had issued from around 2008 to 2018...

and this AVR is smack bang in that range.

The main issues are the capacitors on the HDMI board - a number of people used to provide a recapping service for those... (there was a bad batch of under-rated / under-spec capacitors, which would fail under high temperature conditions - and guess what, the HDMI boards ran very hot on these AVR's)

These issues do not apply to post 2018 Onkyo AVR's

2009-12 was the years manufactured range they did the extended warranties for....or were there post 2012 production issues too?

 

[dlaloum]

2009-12 was the years manufactured range they did the extended warranties for....or were there post 2012 production issues too?

The earlier years were the capacitor / HDMI board issues, then there was a bad production batch of TI DSP chips... which was 2013 to 2018... and again the problem was a production issue, exacerbated by heat...

 

[lovinthehd]

The earlier years were the capacitor / HDMI board issues, then there was a bad production batch of TI DSP chips... which was 2013 to 2018... and again the problem was a production issue, exacerbated by heat...

Never saw anything about that second set of issues....I do have one of the 2009-12 avrs fixed under extended warranty in 2017, thought I was paying attention to Onkyo pretty well at the time. Was it a specific model or the whole range again?

 

[Crazyman1]

Still, more an eq function or speakers or room rather than a well measuring amp. Cerwin Vegas may not be the best "judge"

Not try to start anything, but it seems you take up for Yamaha not matter what. After I posted here I checked in a lot of sites. It's seem the overwhelming option is that Yamaha does have a very flat response vs. other receivers in the mid range sound. Now if you like a very neutral sound receiver that's great. I've used alot amps and receivers for over 60 years and all equipment have there own sound. I know all about using a eq to fix the issue. I can act pretty dumb to see what kind of answers I get from people. You talk speaker placement, the room, the speakers. If you have all the above exactly the same and change nothing but the receivers and set them up with the same setting, it's the receiver!

 

[dlaloum]

Never saw anything about that second set of issues....I do have one of the 2009-12 avrs fixed under extended warranty in 2017, thought I was paying attention to Onkyo pretty well at the time. Was it a specific model or the whole range again?

Certainly the upper models with XT32... the TI DSP chips had a manufacturing fault that would cause the chip to distort/twist if it got too hot... (and too hot was below its specified max temp)...

The DSP chip would twist and disconnect some of the BGA solder joints under it.

I have an Integra DTR70.4 sitting here, a great AVR,... but it's a boat anchor due to that DSP issue

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Not try to start anything, but it seems you take up for Yamaha not matter what.

He doesn’t even own a Yamaha . He owns Denon AVR.

 

[Kingnoob]

The earlier years were the capacitor / HDMI board issues, then there was a bad production batch of TI DSP chips... which was 2013 to 2018... and again the problem was a production issue, exacerbated by heat...

I think they added 3 years warranty free.
Yeah I had to get the chip in my 818 fixed. It was a model with issues.

 

[lovinthehd]

Not try to start anything, but it seems you take up for Yamaha not matter what. After I posted here I checked in a lot of sites. It's seem the overwhelming option is that Yamaha does have a very flat response vs. other receivers in the mid range sound. Now if you like a very neutral sound receiver that's great. I've used alot amps and receivers for over 60 years and all equipment have there own sound. I know all about using a eq to fix the issue. I can act pretty dumb to see what kind of answers I get from people. You talk speaker placement, the room, the speakers. If you have all the above exactly the same and change nothing but the receivers and set them up with the same setting, it's the receiver!

Never even owned a Yamaha, but many others over the last many years (only at about 55 years of components now, tho). Most good amps have flat response. If it has undefeatable eq in the midrange or anywhere else, I consider it broken; I don't want my electronics to have a "sound". Have you done blinded level matched testing?

 

[Crazyman1]

Still, more an eq function or speakers or room rather than a well measuring amp. Cerwin Vegas may not be the best "judge"

Sorry if I come across like a smart ass. I did something yesterday. Since you said these newer units are not so much repairable. When I turned it on, pop and cracking from both channels, then the right channel cut out. Turned it off two or three times, same. Now the pooping and cracking stops after it warms up for a minute. The right channel never came back. Unhooked and sit it on the kitchen table. Popped the case off looked inside, really clean inside, didn't see anything unusual. Put the case back on. Got frustrated and using my fist I pounded on the top like 7 times. Hit it on each side about 5 times. Hit it so hard at first I thought I put a dent in the top. Then picked it up about a foot and dropped it on the table twice.
Well not being a complete idiot I took it in the den and hooked it up to a cheaper system I have. Well I'll be, runs just fine. The popping and cracking gone, right channel back. Turned it off probably 10 times, Everytime just fine. Left it on for hours, played just fine, amazing it didn't set on fire either. This morning I brought it back in the living room. Hooked back up to the system in here and it's been fine.
Well I have a new profession, I've built and repaired computers since the mid 90s. Now I repair newer receivers. On Stereo's you just beat the hell out of them. But then again, sorry if I come across as an ass.

 

[lovinthehd]

Sorry if I come across like a smart ass. I did something yesterday. Since you said these newer units are not so much repairable. When I turned it on, pop and cracking from both channels, then the right channel cut out. Turned it off two or three times, same. Now the pooping and cracking stops after it warms up for a minute. The right channel never came back. Unhooked and sit it on the kitchen table. Popped the case off looked inside, really clean inside, didn't see anything unusual. Put the case back on. Got frustrated and using my fist I pounded on the top like 7 times. Hit it on each side about 5 times. Hit it so hard at first I thought I put a dent in the top. Then picked it up about a foot and dropped it on the table twice.
Well not being a complete idiot I took it in the den and hooked it up to a cheaper system I have. Well I'll be, runs just fine. The popping and cracking gone, right channel back. Turned it off probably 10 times, Everytime just fine. Left it on for hours, played just fine, amazing it didn't set on fire either. This morning I brought it back in the living room. Hooked back up to the system in here and it's been fine.
Well I have a new profession, I've built and repaired computers since the mid 90s. Now I repair newer receivers. On Stereo's you just beat the hell out of them. But then again, sorry if I come across as an ass.

LOL, sometimes the old flintstones methods can work!

 

[Trebdp83]

Way to go Bamm-Bamm!

 

[lovinthehd]

He doesn’t even own a Yamaha . He owns Denon AVR.

...and Sony and Onkyo too (but three Denons)