Adam Kinzinger (R-IL)

highfigh

highfigh

Audioholic Overlord
You can believe in all day he voter fraud you want... To be taken seriously as systemic , someone, anyone, with credibility needs to present evidence that can be verified... So far crickets... But conspiracy theory is a wonderful thing to believe in... The goal posts are always movable...
In order to make sure it can't happen, the practices need to be defined for ALL registration, what can happen at polling places )well-defined now), etc. The voter ID card really isn't the issue so many make it- who DOESN'T need some kind of ID card?

The rules for going to and being at a polling place are easy to teach- put up billboards, if necessary. They do that here. Whether it does any good, I don't know but it shouldn't be so difficult. Put up placards at the polling places, anything. Radio spots telling people to take water with them and if they need to eat, a snack....
 
cpp

cpp

Audioholic Field Marshall
You can believe in all day he voter fraud you want... To be taken seriously as systemic , someone, anyone, with credibility needs to present evidence that can be verified... So far crickets... But conspiracy theory is a wonderful thing to believe in... The goal posts are always movable...
A id seems logical.
 
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cpp

Audioholic Field Marshall
that's tough on old people of color or low income people who can't afford to drive.. an id *is* needed to register , so i'm not sure the id debate is anything but racism and place-ism...i'm not against id's in general as it pertains to voting as long as the govt provides it *for free * seeing that voting is a constitutional right .. kinda like the 2nd amendment.. .. seems odd this id thing pops up in a year the (sore) loser wrongfully accused the postal service of incompetence and talked of vote "dumps" that a whole buncha trumpies "saw" but somehow couldn't document via picture or video on their phones .. the same buncha trumpies had no problem documenting their own crimes during the insurrection...
you can receive a free photo ID from the Department of Human Services. And the overall majority of US citizens have a soc security number as its also a way to obtain a ID card free of charge.
 
Old Onkyo

Old Onkyo

Audioholic Chief
In order to make sure it can't happen, the practices need to be defined for ALL registration, what can happen at polling places )well-defined now), etc. The voter ID card really isn't the issue so many make it- who DOESN'T need some kind of ID card?

The rules for going to and being at a polling place are easy to teach- put up billboards, if necessary. They do that here. Whether it does any good, I don't know but it shouldn't be so difficult. Put up placards at the polling places, anything. Radio spots telling people to take water with them and if they need to eat, a snack....
so, are you of the opinion that the 2020 presidential election was stolen from trump via fraud?
 
Irvrobinson

Irvrobinson

Audioholic Spartan
so, are you of the opinion that the 2020 presidential election was stolen from trump via fraud?
I agree with highfigh that voter ID should be required. It's actually weird that it isn't required. The polling place laws in Georgia... shame on them. As for whether the election was stolen from Trump, there's no supporting evidence. Trump's own Homeland Security staff said the election was "the most secure in history". Trump lost because of who he is, what he says, and what he does, and he probably lost the Senate for the Republicans while he was at it. The most incompetent presidential candidate since George Wallace.
 
Old Onkyo

Old Onkyo

Audioholic Chief
I agree with highfigh that voter ID should be required. It's actually weird that it isn't required. The polling place laws in Georgia... shame on them. As for whether the election was stolen from Trump, there's no supporting evidence. Trump's own Homeland Security staff said the election was "the most secure in history". Trump lost because of who he is, what he says, and what he does, and he probably lost the Senate for the Republicans while he was at it. The most incompetent presidential candidate since George Wallace.
All other social political disagreements aside, I am glad you are not crazy!
 
highfigh

highfigh

Audioholic Overlord
i can tell you first hand that i lived without an id for about 20 years.. i know you won't believe it , but it's true , i had a job for a vast majority of that time .. it wasn't till a few years about 2005 when i finally opened a bank account that i needed id.. i can tell you right now many poor people don't bother because they don't drive .. they find ways around needing it .. it isn't a corrupt thought , it's economics.. once again.. as far as out right fraud goes, we get to the question.. how do you fix an issue that exists only in the demented mind of a dethroned tyrant wanna be and his mindless flock?
How is avoiding an ID about 'economics'? What is the cost for getting an ID? The time and effort to go, plus transportation. That's a BS argument- Are you afraid the big, bad gub'mint is gonna come and take you away?

Here's an example of a good reason for a photo ID- someone got my credit card number and bought something at ATT.com, then went to their store that's not far from my house for pickup. The store required no ID for them to receive the items, yet they may have never seen this person before. The store manager looked at the transaction number shown on the bank app in my cell phone, but wouldn't let me see the video because of privacy concerns for the "customer". I almost never hand my card to anyone and if I had seen the person, I may have been able to ID them but it's ATT's policy to f&ck the cardholder when this happens. This wasted a chunk of my time, the Police seemed to have decided it wasn't worth their time to pursue and the asspipe may still have my name and company name, which means they can easily find my address and other info about me. All, because one turd decided to use someone else's card number and another decided that asking for ID is too much bother.

You have posted that you can't work- can you not file for disability?
 
highfigh

highfigh

Audioholic Overlord
It's not about avoidance... Where did i say that? .. Its about not having one more expense when you only have $10 in your pocket for the whole month...*or whatever* the financial situation may be.. How many dead broke people have credit cards ?.. I don't want to be rude here but grab a clue dude.. Not all of us have those opportunities.. All those " get a job / start a business " comments are laughable to the chronically poor.. Every option you gave me supposes a risk that i don't have a support system for.. I start a business and it fails my money is gone , i go homeless.. Credit is not happening , never had any .. Never needed it.. I pay cash... How does this stuff not sink in with people? Poor is a real thing..
i am on disability .. That's been my point the entire time...EVEN THOUGH i qualify, have an injury since birth, worked 25 years in the workforce, now have a body that is used up.. Disability pays me just enough to not qualify for housing here ( other than subsidized housing).. And if i do save any money i lose Medicaid, which at this point i desperately need for my condition , not even taking into account my ongoing skin cancer issues... I guess i haven't been clear.. But there it is...do us both a favor and save yourself the torment of thinking you can suggest a fix, sorry the fix is systemic and federal benefits increases are the fix..
YOU wrote that you didn't have an ID for 20 years, which means you avoided getting one.
 

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