S snakeeyes Audioholic Ninja Apr 13, 2018 4,727 0 113 Sep 3, 2021 #221 At this point I wonder when the RXA8B will be announced? LOL. Are they planning on refreshing them every 2 years?
At this point I wonder when the RXA8B will be announced? LOL. Are they planning on refreshing them every 2 years?
AVR Enthu Full Audioholic Dec 12, 2020 469 0 16 Sep 3, 2021 #222 snakeeyes said: Are they planning on refreshing them every 2 years? Click to expand... They first need to get this troubled generation to work properly with video inputs on HDMI 2.1. It's been delayed for more than a year to get new video chips on boards.
snakeeyes said: Are they planning on refreshing them every 2 years? Click to expand... They first need to get this troubled generation to work properly with video inputs on HDMI 2.1. It's been delayed for more than a year to get new video chips on boards.
ryanosaur Audioholic Overlord Sep 14, 2018 11,686 0 113 Sep 3, 2021 #223 AVR Enthu said: They first need to get this troubled generation to work properly with video inputs on HDMI 2.1. It's been delayed for more than a year to get new video chips on boards. Click to expand... But these are still the 2nd Gen Chipsets, right... completely unproven on the streets. Still blown away how eager everybody is to buy new stuff right now, regardless of whether it works or not. Reactions: Mark E. Long, snakeeyes and Trebdp83
AVR Enthu said: They first need to get this troubled generation to work properly with video inputs on HDMI 2.1. It's been delayed for more than a year to get new video chips on boards. Click to expand... But these are still the 2nd Gen Chipsets, right... completely unproven on the streets. Still blown away how eager everybody is to buy new stuff right now, regardless of whether it works or not.
T Trebdp83 Audioholic Spartan Oct 27, 2009 5,805 0 36 Sep 3, 2021 #225 ALL 2020 and 2021 Yamahas need a firmware update for 4K@120. Models needing new boards will be capped at 24gbps after the firmware update. A4A, A6A and A8A models need just a firmware update for 4K@120 up to 40gbps. Not an issue if one is not gaming at 120fps. All can enjoy 4K HDR @60hz now. Would think any new audio features need to be awesome for anybody to unload a nice 3080 if they aren’t interested in HDMI 2.1 features. Yamaha f#%ked up like so many with the 2020 models. I would not have released the A4A, A6A or the A8A unless they were fully featured out of the box but Yamaha didn’t ask me for my opinion. Hasn’t kept me from giving it to them though, in email after email. Reactions: Epsonfan and ryanosaur
ALL 2020 and 2021 Yamahas need a firmware update for 4K@120. Models needing new boards will be capped at 24gbps after the firmware update. A4A, A6A and A8A models need just a firmware update for 4K@120 up to 40gbps. Not an issue if one is not gaming at 120fps. All can enjoy 4K HDR @60hz now. Would think any new audio features need to be awesome for anybody to unload a nice 3080 if they aren’t interested in HDMI 2.1 features. Yamaha f#%ked up like so many with the 2020 models. I would not have released the A4A, A6A or the A8A unless they were fully featured out of the box but Yamaha didn’t ask me for my opinion. Hasn’t kept me from giving it to them though, in email after email.
S snakeeyes Audioholic Ninja Apr 13, 2018 4,727 0 113 Sep 3, 2021 #226 Regarding HDMI 2.1 at 40Gbps, I thought HDMI 2.1 at 40Gbps was plenty for 10bit panels for 4K 120fps. Such as LG OLED CX and C1. Only future possible 12bit panels need 48Gbps to pass 4K 120fps. Is that incorrect?
Regarding HDMI 2.1 at 40Gbps, I thought HDMI 2.1 at 40Gbps was plenty for 10bit panels for 4K 120fps. Such as LG OLED CX and C1. Only future possible 12bit panels need 48Gbps to pass 4K 120fps. Is that incorrect?
S snakeeyes Audioholic Ninja Apr 13, 2018 4,727 0 113 Sep 3, 2021 #227 AVR Enthu said: They first need to get this troubled generation to work properly with video inputs on HDMI 2.1. It's been delayed for more than a year to get new video chips on boards. Click to expand... Always more affordable to get the old model on clearance when the new models come out in a year or 2. Paying full retail is pretty expensive.
AVR Enthu said: They first need to get this troubled generation to work properly with video inputs on HDMI 2.1. It's been delayed for more than a year to get new video chips on boards. Click to expand... Always more affordable to get the old model on clearance when the new models come out in a year or 2. Paying full retail is pretty expensive.
T Trebdp83 Audioholic Spartan Oct 27, 2009 5,805 0 36 Sep 3, 2021 #228 snakeeyes said: Regarding HDMI 2.1 at 40Gbps, I thought HDMI 2.1 at 40Gbps was plenty for 10bit panels for 4K 120fps. Such as LG OLED CX and C1. Only future possible 12bit panels need 48Gbps to pass 4K 120fps. Is that incorrect? Click to expand... Something like that, necessitating changing out console, receiver and TV again for 48gbps. Reactions: snakeeyes
snakeeyes said: Regarding HDMI 2.1 at 40Gbps, I thought HDMI 2.1 at 40Gbps was plenty for 10bit panels for 4K 120fps. Such as LG OLED CX and C1. Only future possible 12bit panels need 48Gbps to pass 4K 120fps. Is that incorrect? Click to expand... Something like that, necessitating changing out console, receiver and TV again for 48gbps.
S snakeeyes Audioholic Ninja Apr 13, 2018 4,727 0 113 Sep 4, 2021 #229 Trebdp83 said: Something like that, necessitating changing out console, receiver and TV again for 48gbps. Click to expand... When in several years that 40G becomes a bottleneck for gaming systems, surely 48G is a bottleneck soon after. Just thinking this only affects gaming consoles. Movie discs are not likely to evolve to 8K 120fps or 12K anytime soon or ever.. Most people are streaming movies over the internet. Reactions: Trebdp83
Trebdp83 said: Something like that, necessitating changing out console, receiver and TV again for 48gbps. Click to expand... When in several years that 40G becomes a bottleneck for gaming systems, surely 48G is a bottleneck soon after. Just thinking this only affects gaming consoles. Movie discs are not likely to evolve to 8K 120fps or 12K anytime soon or ever.. Most people are streaming movies over the internet.
Epsonfan Full Audioholic Sep 29, 2019 336 0 16 Juneau Alaska Sep 4, 2021 #230 Found a great deal on a used Denon X2700 should I pull the trigger ?...
little wing Audioholic General Sep 4, 2005 1,174 0 63 Sep 4, 2021 #231 snakeeyes said: At this point I wonder when the RXA8B will be announced? LOL. Are they planning on refreshing them every 2 years? Click to expand... That'll be when I start looking at them....let the dust settle, lol. Zero plans to replace my 3060 Reactions: Replicant 7 and snakeeyes
snakeeyes said: At this point I wonder when the RXA8B will be announced? LOL. Are they planning on refreshing them every 2 years? Click to expand... That'll be when I start looking at them....let the dust settle, lol. Zero plans to replace my 3060
AVR Enthu Full Audioholic Dec 12, 2020 469 0 16 Sep 5, 2021 #232 snakeeyes said: Regarding HDMI 2.1 at 40Gbps, I thought HDMI 2.1 at 40Gbps was plenty for 10bit panels for 4K 120fps. Such as LG OLED CX and C1. Only future possible 12bit panels need 48Gbps to pass 4K 120fps. Is that incorrect? Click to expand... 40 Gbps is fine, for now. 12-bit panels are not coming any time soon, but 10-bit 4K/144Hz monitors are already with us and TVs will follow soon, for competition purposes. 4K/144hz 10-bit panels will need 48 Gbps and HDMI Forum needs to revise current spec to allow refresh rates above 120Hz. It is AVRs as intermediate devices that need to be the most flexible ones and with highest bandwidth to match whatever sources and displays people have at home or will buy soon. That's why 2020 models capped to 24 Gbps are a bit of "lost generation", in-between the transition from HDMI 2.0b to HDMI 2.1; certainly not as future proof for those who need wider bandwidth for consoles, PC gaming and future TV dongles with sports broadcast 4K/90 or 4K/120. Everyone else who is happy with 4K/60 10-bit 4-2-2 and 4K/120 8-bit 4-2-0 images are good to go as those images need up to 18 Gbps over older HDMi 2.0b. Reactions: Trebdp83
snakeeyes said: Regarding HDMI 2.1 at 40Gbps, I thought HDMI 2.1 at 40Gbps was plenty for 10bit panels for 4K 120fps. Such as LG OLED CX and C1. Only future possible 12bit panels need 48Gbps to pass 4K 120fps. Is that incorrect? Click to expand... 40 Gbps is fine, for now. 12-bit panels are not coming any time soon, but 10-bit 4K/144Hz monitors are already with us and TVs will follow soon, for competition purposes. 4K/144hz 10-bit panels will need 48 Gbps and HDMI Forum needs to revise current spec to allow refresh rates above 120Hz. It is AVRs as intermediate devices that need to be the most flexible ones and with highest bandwidth to match whatever sources and displays people have at home or will buy soon. That's why 2020 models capped to 24 Gbps are a bit of "lost generation", in-between the transition from HDMI 2.0b to HDMI 2.1; certainly not as future proof for those who need wider bandwidth for consoles, PC gaming and future TV dongles with sports broadcast 4K/90 or 4K/120. Everyone else who is happy with 4K/60 10-bit 4-2-2 and 4K/120 8-bit 4-2-0 images are good to go as those images need up to 18 Gbps over older HDMi 2.0b.
AVR Enthu Full Audioholic Dec 12, 2020 469 0 16 Sep 5, 2021 #233 Trebdp83 said: All can enjoy 4K HDR @60hz now Click to expand... Yes, with colour caveats. Older 18 Gbps ports will give you 4K/60 10-bit 4-2-2 chroma subsampling, and not RGB. For 4K/60 10-bit RGB, we already need HMDI 2.1 bandwidth of 20 Gbps. Reactions: Trebdp83
Trebdp83 said: All can enjoy 4K HDR @60hz now Click to expand... Yes, with colour caveats. Older 18 Gbps ports will give you 4K/60 10-bit 4-2-2 chroma subsampling, and not RGB. For 4K/60 10-bit RGB, we already need HMDI 2.1 bandwidth of 20 Gbps.
Teetertotter? Audioholic General Aug 31, 2020 1,006 0 36 83 Sep 5, 2021 #234 Out of curiosity, I contacted TCL to see what model TV they have that is 2.1HDMI, a month ago. They have one and price was $3000.00. I failed to ask what size screen and write down the model number to look up. I don't need a 2.1 HDMI TV, but I did get the free adapter box from Denon, a +month ago, out of spite.
Out of curiosity, I contacted TCL to see what model TV they have that is 2.1HDMI, a month ago. They have one and price was $3000.00. I failed to ask what size screen and write down the model number to look up. I don't need a 2.1 HDMI TV, but I did get the free adapter box from Denon, a +month ago, out of spite.
T Trebdp83 Audioholic Spartan Oct 27, 2009 5,805 0 36 Sep 5, 2021 #235 AVR Enthu said: Yes, with colour caveats. Older 18 Gbps ports will give you 4K/60 10-bit 4-2-2 chroma subsampling, and not RGB. For 4K/60 10-bit RGB, we already need HMDI 2.1 bandwidth of 20 Gbps. Click to expand... Forgot about chroma subsampling and RGB. Still coming up short there. Agree about lost generation of devices. Everything that came out last year and this year so far is only half baked because everybody wanted to offer something to pair up with new consoles that have issues of their own. The best TVs offer some but not all of the HDMI 2.1 features and those can depend on the console connected to them. Just a mess. Reactions: AVR Enthu
AVR Enthu said: Yes, with colour caveats. Older 18 Gbps ports will give you 4K/60 10-bit 4-2-2 chroma subsampling, and not RGB. For 4K/60 10-bit RGB, we already need HMDI 2.1 bandwidth of 20 Gbps. Click to expand... Forgot about chroma subsampling and RGB. Still coming up short there. Agree about lost generation of devices. Everything that came out last year and this year so far is only half baked because everybody wanted to offer something to pair up with new consoles that have issues of their own. The best TVs offer some but not all of the HDMI 2.1 features and those can depend on the console connected to them. Just a mess.
AcuDefTechGuy Audioholic Jedi Jul 10, 2007 34,058 0 113 Sep 9, 2021 #236 TheLamonster said: Will do. And yes, I do have a tracking number! The first A8 I saw in the wild was Techno Dad a few days ago lol. There are several people on the AVS Forum thread that have had their Best Buy order shipped today and yesterday. Click to expand... Well, it has been about a week now. Has FedEx or UPS delivered your Yamaha A8 yet? Reactions: Replicant 7 and Movie2099
TheLamonster said: Will do. And yes, I do have a tracking number! The first A8 I saw in the wild was Techno Dad a few days ago lol. There are several people on the AVS Forum thread that have had their Best Buy order shipped today and yesterday. Click to expand... Well, it has been about a week now. Has FedEx or UPS delivered your Yamaha A8 yet?
TheLamonster Audioholic Intern May 27, 2021 34 0 6 42 Sep 9, 2021 #237 AcuDefTechGuy said: Well, it has been about a week now. Has FedEx or UPS delivered your Yamaha A8 yet? Click to expand... Yes! But I have only had it for a day; the delivery was delayed. It will also take some time for me to set it up. Need to mount and wire 4 height speakers too lol
AcuDefTechGuy said: Well, it has been about a week now. Has FedEx or UPS delivered your Yamaha A8 yet? Click to expand... Yes! But I have only had it for a day; the delivery was delayed. It will also take some time for me to set it up. Need to mount and wire 4 height speakers too lol
Epsonfan Full Audioholic Sep 29, 2019 336 0 16 Juneau Alaska Sep 9, 2021 #238 Received my used DenonX2700 . Hooked up to a utility TCL 55" 4k LCD in the sunroom but the remote from TCL does everything except turning off the Denon when I turn off the TV.
Received my used DenonX2700 . Hooked up to a utility TCL 55" 4k LCD in the sunroom but the remote from TCL does everything except turning off the Denon when I turn off the TV.
M Movie2099 Audioholic Field Marshall Jan 26, 2020 1,653 0 36 41 Sep 9, 2021 #239 I just put in my pre-order for the Yamaha CX-5300!!! Can't wait! They said it won't ship until 2023, but I got the confirmation email anyways! I mean they wanted the full $25k right now, but who cares. I'm getting one!!! Reactions: Danzilla31, snakeeyes, Trebdp83 and 2 others
I just put in my pre-order for the Yamaha CX-5300!!! Can't wait! They said it won't ship until 2023, but I got the confirmation email anyways! I mean they wanted the full $25k right now, but who cares. I'm getting one!!!
AcuDefTechGuy Audioholic Jedi Jul 10, 2007 34,058 0 113 Sep 9, 2021 #240 TheLamonster said: Yes! But I have only had it for a day; the delivery was delayed. It will also take some time for me to set it up. Need to mount and wire 4 height speakers too lol Click to expand... Any pictures of your A8 in your room? We’re desperate. Even just the box would do. Last edited: Sep 9, 2021 Reactions: snakeeyes and Replicant 7
TheLamonster said: Yes! But I have only had it for a day; the delivery was delayed. It will also take some time for me to set it up. Need to mount and wire 4 height speakers too lol Click to expand... Any pictures of your A8 in your room? We’re desperate. Even just the box would do.
