11.2 system from scratch, well mostly

[lovinthehd]

The following one seems to be an interesting one:

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Harman-Crown-XLS-1000-XLS1000-High-Density-Power-Amplifier-Two-CH-350W-4-ohms/372390492244?hash=item56b433f854:g:Ou8AAOSwmodbZRAz&_sop=15&_sacat=180014&_nkw=crown+xls&_from=R40&rt=nc

These are great little amps, too. I have four XLS1500s.

 

[lovinthehd]

Hm interesting. Here’s the specs on the 3802.

https://www.cnet.com/products/denon-avr-3802/specs/

Yep, you could even use as a multi-ch amp (altho the all channels driven ratings would be a bit lower than the 2ch ratings).

 

[CBASS]

You would do a little gain matching with your pre-out level from the 4400 and the input of the 3802, but not hard to do (you'd need to do the same with any amp with gain controls).

Generally larger speakers tend to be more sensitive, so easier to drive in that respect. 100W is better than 60/70w.

I own one of the Crest 2208s. It is perfectly fine for hi-fi use (it's no less suited than Verdinuts QSC "PA" amps used in movie theaters ),except for the quite loud fan noise, which won't be a issue for you; it also has phoenix connectors, so a little more work to use it with pre-outs from the 4400 (which are rca). I built cables to do that for mine. By repurpose the 3802 I meant not as power amp but use it in another system elsewhere in the house/garage....

Ah, ok I understand.

You would do a little gain matching with your pre-out level from the 4400 and the input of the 3802, but not hard to do (you'd need to do the same with any amp with gain controls).

Generally larger speakers tend to be more sensitive, so easier to drive in that respect. 100W is better than 60/70w.

I own one of the Crest 2208s. It is perfectly fine for hi-fi use (it's no less suited than Verdinuts QSC "PA" amps used in movie theaters ), except for the quite loud fan noise, which won't be a issue for you; it also has phoenix connectors, so a little more work to use it with pre-outs from the 4400 (which are rca). I built cables to do that for mine. By repurpose the 3802 I meant not as power amp but use it in another system elsewhere in the house/garage....

Ah I see. I think verdinut is saying to use the 3802 as an amplifier. There’s a wealth of knowledge here. It’s going to take me awhile to interpret it all.

 

[lovinthehd]

Ah, ok I understand.


Ah I see. I think verdinut is saying to use the 3802 as an amplifier. There’s a wealth of knowledge here. It’s going to take me awhile to interpret it all.

I'd definitely start with the 3802, you already own it and you don't seem to need it elsewhere....altho it could be the center of a secondary system. I use my older avrs outside of my main setup in bedroom, workshop, spare bedroom....

 

[Verdinut]

Hm interesting. Here’s the specs on the 3802.

https://www.cnet.com/products/denon-avr-3802/specs/

I'm not the one who said it had only 100 watts. You said it in your previous post. BTW, 110w and 100w are for practical purposes identical.

 

[CBASS]

I'm not the one who said it had only 100 watts. You said it in your previous post. BTW, 110w and 100w are for practical purposes identical.

Yeah I was just guessing initially but yes I understand they are for all intents and purposes the same.

 

[Verdinut]

You would do a little gain matching with your pre-out level from the 4400 and the input of the 3802, but not hard to do (you'd need to do the same with any amp with gain controls).

Generally larger speakers tend to be more sensitive, so easier to drive in that respect. 100W is better than 60/70w.

I own one of the Crest 2208s. It is perfectly fine for hi-fi use (it's no less suited than Verdinuts QSC "PA" amps used in movie theaters ),except for the quite loud fan noise, which won't be a issue for you; it also has phoenix connectors, so a little more work to use it with pre-outs from the 4400 (which are rca). I built cables to do that for mine. By repurpose the 3802 I meant not as power amp but use it in another system elsewhere in the house/garage....

I made my opinion on the Crest PA amp based on the specs provided in the link which the OP posted. But I find it a little weird that even distortion figures, frequency response and power bandwidth are not indicated for an amplifier that is considered as a hi-fi product.

 

[lovinthehd]

I made my opinion on the Crest PA amp based on the specs provided in the link which the OP posted. But I find it a little weird that even distortion figures, frequency response and power bandwidth are not indicated for an amplifier that is considered as a hi-fi product.

How do you define hifi amps when you don't use what is typically referred to as hifi amps yourself Try the manual.

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[Verdinut]

How do you define hifi amps when don't use what is typically referred to as hifi amps yourself Try the manual.

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Just by looking at the specs, providing that they are rather complete and well detailed, and they have been honestly published, I can make an opinion, when comparing with products from reliable brands. If the FTC specs are not listed, I have reason to doubt the advanced figures and I would immediately bar the product from my search.

 

[Verdinut]

How do you define hifi amps when don't use what is typically referred to as hifi amps yourself Try the manual.

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The QSC DCA amps which I use are not typically referred to as hi-fi products, but their specs meet and are better than specs of some typical hi-fi amplifiers. For all practical purposes, we can consider them as hi-fi amplifiers. What is the definition of High Fidelity?

Did not hi-fi sound reproduction start in the recording studios with pro audio amps and speakers for monitoring?

 

[lovinthehd]

Just by looking at the specs, providing that they are rather complete and well detailed, and they have been honestly published, I can make an opinion, when comparing with products from reliable brands. If the FTC specs are not listed, I have reason to doubt the advanced figures and I would immediately bar the product from my search.

Yet you just recommended an amp with similar (yet higher stated thd) spec. FTC spec isn't all that great and is for general consumers. Now, if you had said professional amp rather than public address amp. Lol how many tube amps are higher fidelity?

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[CBASS]

Found an interesting thread about using an old AVR as an external amp. Certainly makes things cheap. I don’t see much in the way of downsides to this really. Funny thing is you can buy people’s old AVR’s for almost nothing compared to a power amp. Not that I plan on doing that but when I see these very expensive power amps it really makes me wonder why it’s not done more often.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.avsforum.com/forum/90-receivers-amps-processors/2766761-using-old-avr-external-amp.html?amp=1

Cheers,
CBASS

 

[Verdinut]

Yet you just recommended an amp with similar (yet higher stated thd) spec. FTC spec isn't all that great and is for general consumers. Now, if you had said professional amp rather than public address amp. Lol how many tube amps are higher fidelity?

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I think you're mixing up the EIA ratings with the FTC ratings.

Have a look at this: http://www.sengpielaudio.com/Mathew-AudioPrecisionSpecifications.pdf

 

[lovinthehd]

I think you're mixing up the EIA ratings with the FTC ratings.

Have a look at this: http://www.sengpielaudio.com/Mathew-AudioPrecisionSpecifications.pdf

Check the stated spec on Crown XLS vs Crest 2208. what I was referring to. As usual we are usually closer than further apart on use of pro amps in any case...but that 'hifi' comment re consumer vs pro amps (let alone PA amps) got me to nitpicking...as you were.

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[Verdinut]

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Yet you just recommended an amp with similar (yet higher stated thd) spec. FTC spec isn't all that great and is for general consumers. Now, if you had said professional amp rather than public address amp. Lol how many tube amps are higher fidelity?

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Well, you had the advantage of comparing the specs which I didn't have at hand. That's my excuse! The important question would then be: "Would you be able to hear a difference between the two in a DBT? "

 

[lovinthehd]

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Well, you had the advantage of comparing the specs which I didn't have at hand. That's my excuse! The important question would then be: "Would you be able to hear a difference between the two in a DBT? "

LOL you know my answer to that...I really doubt it. I did listen to speakers thru the 2208, aside from fan noise, it is a fine amp IMO. Fan noise is a bitch, tho, never in the same room in a home at least (industrial environment where it will end up, not so much).

 

[CBASS]

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Well, you had the advantage of comparing the specs which I didn't have at hand. That's my excuse! The important question would then be: "Would you be able to hear a difference between the two in a DBT? "

And another discussion about using my an old AVR as an amp with quite the lively debate. Appears to work. I could go buy a power amp but I’m now becoming somewhat intrigued. It’s not about the few hundred saved now.

 

[lovinthehd]

Damn just realized with my new phone I haven't turned off that very obnoxious phone ad!

 

[lovinthehd]

And another discussion about using my an old AVR as an amp with quite the lively debate. Appears to work. I could go buy a power amp but I’m now becoming somewhat intrigued. It’s not about the few hundred saved now.

We're more debating various professional use amps vs consumer amps rather than the public address system amps he alluded to at one point . Definitely your old avr is workable, and the multi-ch inputs bypass further processing to make it act more as a pure amp (rather than using a particular input mode)....

 

[Verdinut]

Damn just realized with my new phone I haven't turned off that very obnoxious phone ad!

Do Ad Blockers exist for phones? I'm using a free one on my desk computer: " AdBlocker"