System design for an old man

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GKROOK

Audiophyte
Hi everyone,
I am in the process of setting up a Home Theater and need some opinions about my equipment choices. I am a “rookie” in the sense that I have not dealt with any serious audio for at least 20 years. I was first introduced to high end audio when I was stationed overseas in the early 70’s. Friendships with avionic techs, who schooled me on the electronics end of things, and a great PX allowed me to put together a pretty decent system at the time (of course I had forgotten all of that). Alas, that system (except a reel-to-reel tape deck which still works) has long since passed to the great audiophile equipment heaven. And I have about 350 albums and 40 miles of R-to-R tapes. To say I am behind the times is a great understatement. I have spent the last couple of months trying to get up to speed for these times. Boy, I miss the old days! Please help an old man deal with the new times. Yes, I know this post is breaking some “posting rules” but I don’t want to spend any more time searching a dozen different forums. I’ve done that and it gave me a starting point. Now I need some input from you knowledgeable youngsters.

I recently retired after 50 years working in the H&S and moved to a smaller house and am treating myself to a new HT set up. After settling for 2nd or 3rd level equipment, based on prices, I am looking to set up a good system with performance as the main driver. That’s not to say the budget is not important – I have set aside $25K for the complete set up - audio visual equipment, furniture, AV stand and “other” (cables wiring, etc.). I plan on buying a 77” 4k OLED TV to start with. Music is just as important to me as cinema/TV. I know it is difficult to serve these two “Masters”, but I will try. Gaming is not a priority now but maybe in the future.

So, after the TV what would be your next purchase? Receiver or speakers? I haven’t made up my mind on speakers because I would like to hear them live, which is a big challenge due to lack of independent dealers and the big box store usually do not have what I am considering and would like to hear, even though they may sell them. But, thanks to Crutchfield, I have at least an idea of the speaker performance through their website. Right now, Focal (Aria 936 K2 & Vestiva No. 3), Martin Logan (F200), B&W (703 S3), and maybe Dali (Oberon 7) are on my list. I’m open to suggestions though.

I want to start with a 5.1.2 system and eventually expand to a 7.2.4 set up. For receivers I will consider the Marantz Cin. 50, Integra DRX-5.4, and Onkyo TX RZ50 AVR’s. The Marantz checks all the boxes except THX certification. Integra and Onkyo also check almost all the boxes except they to not have discrete sub-woofer outlets or Auro 3D. The price point on the Marantz and Integra are very close and the Onkyo is about half the price of those two receivers. I never even heard of Integra. Depending on the speakers, I will probably augment the system with a 3 or 5 channel power amp. Am I missing anything? I prefer to stay away from separates (power amp. Pre-amp, DAC, etc.).

The room I have is a is a 36’x26’ finished basement with carpet, dry wall walls and suspended acoustical ceiling tiles. I am positioning the system essentially in the middle of the room on the “long wall” with a depth of ~10-12 feet. The TV will be hung on the wall and seating will be theater recliners (5). Who do you like for theater seating?

And how come all of the AV stands 14 or 15” in depth when all of the receivers I look at are 16-18”? The 3 I am looking at are 17” deep. I think it will take longer to find a proper AV stand than anything else!

Thanks in advance for helping a dumb old man. .
 
BoredSysAdmin

BoredSysAdmin

Audioholic Slumlord
Subject on THX certifications covered here:
For the rest, I'd say that if you could get @BMXTRIX to help you (possibly in a professional capacity) - you'd be in excellent hands.
Speakers, you're not wrong, are very personal preferences, but don't limit yourself to only brands/models available in B&M stores. Many excellent and better value brands allow 30 (or longer) days in-home audition/test period (or return window). In your price point, I'd look very carefully at Arendal Sound.


Audioholics reviewed multiple Arendal products, and they are all excellent.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
Hi everyone,
I am in the process of setting up a Home Theater and need some opinions about my equipment choices. I am a “rookie” in the sense that I have not dealt with any serious audio for at least 20 years. I was first introduced to high end audio when I was stationed overseas in the early 70’s. Friendships with avionic techs, who schooled me on the electronics end of things, and a great PX allowed me to put together a pretty decent system at the time (of course I had forgotten all of that). Alas, that system (except a reel-to-reel tape deck which still works) has long since passed to the great audiophile equipment heaven. And I have about 350 albums and 40 miles of R-to-R tapes. To say I am behind the times is a great understatement. I have spent the last couple of months trying to get up to speed for these times. Boy, I miss the old days! Please help an old man deal with the new times. Yes, I know this post is breaking some “posting rules” but I don’t want to spend any more time searching a dozen different forums. I’ve done that and it gave me a starting point. Now I need some input from you knowledgeable youngsters.

I recently retired after 50 years working in the H&S and moved to a smaller house and am treating myself to a new HT set up. After settling for 2nd or 3rd level equipment, based on prices, I am looking to set up a good system with performance as the main driver. That’s not to say the budget is not important – I have set aside $25K for the complete set up - audio visual equipment, furniture, AV stand and “other” (cables wiring, etc.). I plan on buying a 77” 4k OLED TV to start with. Music is just as important to me as cinema/TV. I know it is difficult to serve these two “Masters”, but I will try. Gaming is not a priority now but maybe in the future.

So, after the TV what would be your next purchase? Receiver or speakers? I haven’t made up my mind on speakers because I would like to hear them live, which is a big challenge due to lack of independent dealers and the big box store usually do not have what I am considering and would like to hear, even though they may sell them. But, thanks to Crutchfield, I have at least an idea of the speaker performance through their website. Right now, Focal (Aria 936 K2 & Vestiva No. 3), Martin Logan (F200), B&W (703 S3), and maybe Dali (Oberon 7) are on my list. I’m open to suggestions though.

I want to start with a 5.1.2 system and eventually expand to a 7.2.4 set up. For receivers I will consider the Marantz Cin. 50, Integra DRX-5.4, and Onkyo TX RZ50 AVR’s. The Marantz checks all the boxes except THX certification. Integra and Onkyo also check almost all the boxes except they to not have discrete sub-woofer outlets or Auro 3D. The price point on the Marantz and Integra are very close and the Onkyo is about half the price of those two receivers. I never even heard of Integra. Depending on the speakers, I will probably augment the system with a 3 or 5 channel power amp. Am I missing anything? I prefer to stay away from separates (power amp. Pre-amp, DAC, etc.).

The room I have is a is a 36’x26’ finished basement with carpet, dry wall walls and suspended acoustical ceiling tiles. I am positioning the system essentially in the middle of the room on the “long wall” with a depth of ~10-12 feet. The TV will be hung on the wall and seating will be theater recliners (5). Who do you like for theater seating?

And how come all of the AV stands 14 or 15” in depth when all of the receivers I look at are 16-18”? The 3 I am looking at are 17” deep. I think it will take longer to find a proper AV stand than anything else!

Thanks in advance for helping a dumb old man. .
Just a couple of questions first.

Do you plan on playing your albums?

Do you plan on playing these reel to reel tapes.

As a guide to the first question there are a lot of good turntables to choose from.

The tape issue is more problematic as reel to reel machines have not been made for years. However you say yours still works. What is it? However, by now it likely needs some restoration.

For speakers I would take a very serious look at Philharmonic Audio. You can't go wrong with those. If you are getting into HT then the HT towers are a good bet.
The matching center will be available in January.

The major part of the budget should go to the speakers.

I am assuming you have good wired ethernet service to that room.

Let's start here and put a good system together.

We can leave surrounds and sub for a later discussion. You will need at least one good sub though.

I do applaud your idea of using separate power amps, in which case you should consider an AVP, like the Marantz 7006, rather than a receiver. I have always used an AVP and power amps, and avoided receivers.

AV furniture is important, but an equipment list is first, then decide and plan a neat serviceable instal.

There are lot of decisions, so don't rush into it, and plan it carefully. I am an old man as well and built out a room in 2006 for our former home and one for our current home in 2019. In this home there is also a 3.1 great room build and 2.1 Family room build, as well as the 7.2.4 HT room.

Chairs are difficult and can eat a big part of the budget. A choice here will depend on what is available from dealers in your area. This is something you need to be careful about purchasing online.

An AV room is a big project. Careful planning really pays dividends. There is a lot of money on the line, so proceed carefully and thoughtfully.

You have picked out the right TV by the way. That is what I have in the AV room. That choice is solid.
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
I assume you're in the US and if you do get an avr don't limit it to Marantz, their sister brand Denon (4800 or even 3800) are worthy of consideration and generally this brand is priced better for the feature set than their Marantz equivalents. Models with a full set of pre-outs can still accommodate external amps if needed, and avrs are better priced than avp/pre-pros. A good avr measures just as well as the pre-pros generally, and if kept well ventilated (or even add external cooling) longevity isn't a particular issue (outside of simple abuse). Integra is basically an Onkyo/Pioneer these days (Integra was the slightly upscale installer's Onkyo). The speakers and your listening levels and distances from speakers will somewhat dictate what amplification you need.....but I'm guessing you won't particularly be blasting it and you can probably do just fine with a good avr in that department to start at least.

I wouldn't put too much into looking into in-store demos....I don't even live anywhere near any store with a decent setup for a listening/demo room and haven't for many years myself. Then again your room will be different than a store's in general, too.....auditioning at home is my preference as is just ordering over the 'net. Internet direct speaker sellers like Philharmonic and Ascend Acoustics offer excellent products. Read shadyJ's (James Larson) reviews here at Audioholics and his articles on how to interpret speaker measurements can go a long ways (as well as measurement based reviews at Audiosciencereview and Erin's Audio Corner). https://www.audioholics.com/loudspeaker-design/understanding-loudspeaker-measurements

Keep in mind some good subs are in order, but brand of sub doesn't need to match speakers....altho there are some speaker companies that produce good subs, I'd tend to stick with the sub specialists that are discussed/reviewed here and in the other sites I mentioned.

While I still have my vinyl and a turntable (same turntable since '85, ), if starting over I wouldn't go that route. R2R tape I never got into, seems even more hassle/expense these days than vinyl. The streaming services (Qobuz, Spotify, Amazon etc) are excellent ways to go (altho I have a large cd library as well, mostly I just rip that to a file on the computer and just play the files either streaming over my own network or utilizing thumb drives, after that.

If I could accommodate a screen/projector I'd prefer that over a tv, but just don't have the right rooms for such. Second choice would be a large LG OLED....

Welcome to AH, and take some time to make your decisions and ask lots of questions before buying. FWIW I'm probably close to your age in any case altho the draft ended just before my number was called back in the early 70s.
 
Bobby Bass

Bobby Bass

Senior Audioholic
Subject on THX certifications covered here:
For the rest, I'd say that if you could get @BMXTRIX to help you (possibly in a professional capacity) - you'd be in excellent hands.
Speakers, you're not wrong, are very personal preferences, but don't limit yourself to only brands/models available in B&M stores. Many excellent and better value brands allow 30 (or longer) days in-home audition/test period (or return window). In your price point, I'd look very carefully at Arendal Sound.


Audioholics reviewed multiple Arendal products, and they are all excellent.
Agree with giving Arendal a try. They will be raising the cost of their 1723 series on the 27th so act fast if you want to try them at home. You get 60 days to buy and try and can return for free in the US. Black Friday is an excellent time to buy equipment. Welcome to the forum. It’s never too late to get back into your love of audio and video. Good luck and good listening!
 
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GKROOK

Audiophyte
Just a couple of questions first.

Do you plan on playing your albums?

Do you plan on playing these reel to reel tapes.

As a guide to the first question there are a lot of good turntables to choose from.

The tape issue is more problematic as reel to reel machines have not been made for years. However you say yours still works. What is it? However, by now it likely needs some restoration.

For speakers I would take a very serious look at Philharmonic Audio. You can't go wrong with those. If you are getting into HT then the HT towers are a good bet.
The matching center will be available in January.

The major part of the budget should go to the speakers.

I am assuming you have good wired ethernet service to that room.

Let's start here and put a good system together.

We can leave surrounds and sub for a later discussion. You will need at least one good sub though.

I do applaud your idea of using separate power amps, in which case you should consider an AVP, like the Marantz 7006, rather than a receiver. I have always used an AVP and power amps, and avoided receivers.

AV furniture is important, but an equipment list is first, then decide and plan a neat serviceable instal.

There are lot of decisions, so don't rush into it, and plan it carefully. I am an old man as well and built out a room in 2006 for our former home and one for our current home in 2019. In this home there is also a 3.1 great room build and 2.1 Family room build, as well as the 7.2.4 HT room.

Chairs are difficult and can eat a big part of the budget. A choice here will depend on what is available from dealers in your area. This is something you need to be careful about purchasing online.

An AV room is a big project. Careful planning really pays dividends. There is a lot of money on the line, so proceed carefully and thoughtfully.

You have picked out the right TV by the way. That is what I have in the AV room. That choice is solid.
Thanks for your response. Yes, I will be playing albums on my existing turntable, Systemdek IIX w/Profile tone arm) currently going thru a NAD 7155 receiver into Definitive Technologies book shelf speakers. This is set up in my family room and it really sound great. I will move that downstairs when I build out the HT. I will try to play the R-to-R. I know the tape deck works but those tapes have been in storage for years. I will try it but it is not a important thing right now. After all, I have all the streaming services to tap into.

I will look into the Marantz PA and the Philharmonic speakers (fast look - they look amazing). Equipment is on the top of my list. And i will re-visit the power amps and AVP out there. Thanks for taking the time to respond. I appreciate the input.
 
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GKROOK

Audiophyte
Subject on THX certifications covered here:
For the rest, I'd say that if you could get @BMXTRIX to help you (possibly in a professional capacity) - you'd be in excellent hands.
Speakers, you're not wrong, are very personal preferences, but don't limit yourself to only brands/models available in B&M stores. Many excellent and better value brands allow 30 (or longer) days in-home audition/test period (or return window). In your price point, I'd look very carefully at Arendal Sound.


Audioholics reviewed multiple Arendal products, and they are all excellent.
Thank you. I will look at the Arendals. The only problem I have with buying/returning is that I have lost a great deal of muscle mass due to an illness so getting them down and up the stairs is a challenge and I have to wait for my son to come by. But I think I will start trying that.
Thanks for your valuable input
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
Thanks for your response. Yes, I will be playing albums on my existing turntable, Systemdek IIX w/Profile tone arm) currently going thru a NAD 7155 receiver into Definitive Technologies book shelf speakers. This is set up in my family room and it really sound great. I will move that downstairs when I build out the HT. I will try to play the R-to-R. I know the tape deck works but those tapes have been in storage for years. I will try it but it is not a important thing right now. After all, I have all the streaming services to tap into.

I will look into the Marantz PA and the Philharmonic speakers (fast look - they look amazing). Equipment is on the top of my list. And i will re-visit the power amps and AVP out there. Thanks for taking the time to respond. I appreciate the input.
I have always designed and built my own speakers. I recommend the Philharmonic Audio speakers strongly. Their designer Dennis Murphy and I are very much in agreement in our design philosophies. I do have some issues with some of the design aspects of some of the Arendal speakers. Some of them have a very low passive crossover, in the 100 Hz range. I will say categorically this is a really bad idea for a number of reasons, only one of which is that it makes sub integration a nightmare, if not truly impossible. I did a passive crossover in that range once. Once was more than enough.

It is nice to know that the you have a good turntable and that is out of the budget. Reel to reel tape decks are definitely problematic now. I rarely use mine now. I did recently though, as a musician brought me a master tape in which he was one of the musicians, that was recorded in a Nashville studio in 1976. I am glad I had a selection of machines to choose from. I suspect that tape was not made on a Studer machine, as the Studer heads did not like that tape at all. Fortunately my very rare Brenell Mk VI with the Swiss Bogen heads played it superbly. So I managed to do a good digital transfor in WaveLab.

So I agree that if having a reel to reel machine in the rig is not a pressing issue, then it is sensible to leave it out. The trouble for me is that people do come with this stuff begging for help here now and again. So I do need a selection of machines with different head formats, and decoders.

This is my collection of tape decks.



Anyhow, take your time and enjoy the build out of your room. Ask any questions you want.
 
ski2xblack

ski2xblack

Audioholic Field Marshall
Hmm. Some thoughts from the peanut gallery...I think the Arendals (or any other controlled directivity speakers) would make sense if you were setting it up lengthwise in the room, along the short wall, but Philharmonics (or other wide dispersion style speaker) would be better for your intended plan to use the long wall. Just spitballing under the "start with the room and work backwards" approach. The room (it's acoustic properties, size, distances involved, intended coverage area/seating area, desired spl targets, your preference for more or less direct to reflected sound...) will dictate which speakers are most appropriate. Those will dictate requisite amplification, and the choices beyond that are easier. Choosing the right speakers, that achieve your desired goals, in your specific space, is the most critical aspect of the task ahead of you.
 
Tankini

Tankini

Full Audioholic
I have always designed and built my own speakers. I recommend the Philharmonic Audio speakers strongly. Their designer Dennis Murphy and I are very much in agreement in our design philosophies. I do have some issues with some of the design aspects of some of the Arendal speakers. Some of them have a very low passive crossover, in the 100 Hz range. I will say categorically this is a really bad idea for a number of reasons, only one of which is that it makes sub integration a nightmare, if not truly impossible. I did a passive crossover in that range once. Once was more than enough.

It is nice to know that the you have a good turntable and that is out of the budget. Reel to reel tape decks are definitely problematic now. I rarely use mine now. I did recently though, as a musician brought me a master tape in which he was one of the musicians, that was recorded in a Nashville studio in 1976. I am glad I had a selection of machines to choose from. I suspect that tape was not made on a Studer machine, as the Studer heads did not like that tape at all. Fortunately my very rare Brenell Mk VI with the Swiss Bogen heads played it superbly. So I managed to do a good digital transfor in WaveLab.

So I agree that if having a reel to reel machine in the rig is not a pressing issue, then it is sensible to leave it out. The trouble for me is that people do come with this stuff begging for help here now and again. So I do need a selection of machines with different head formats, and decoders.

This is my collection of tape decks.



Anyhow, take your time and enjoy the build out of your room. Ask any questions you want.
Absolutely gorgeous system Sir!
 
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shadyJ

Speaker of the House
Staff member
Lots of good suggestions in here so far. Philharmonic Audio is just excellent -read our reviews at Audioholics. Their new center makes them a lot easier to recommend for home theater systems.

Arendal is also good, but their sweet spot is the 1723 THX Monitor. I wouldn't bother with their towers when that stand-mount monitor is just so good, especially when subwoofers will be used.

The brands you are considering are OK. Focal tends to be good, and the Vestia No.3s are quite good. The Aria 936 K2s are good but I wouldn't get those for small or even medium-sized rooms. Those work best in large rooms.

B&W is a mixed bag, as is MartinLogan. Some good speakers but others that should definitely be better for the price. Dali is generally fine.

Good sales are running on the Harman brands at the moment, and the JBL HDI series as well as any Revel speaker are all very good.

As for your receivers, any of those should be good. If you are willing to splurge, there is a good deal on the Arcam AVR21 at the moment, $1k off putting it at $3.75k. That has Dirac, and I really like Dirac.

By the way, Integra is just the installer brand name for Onkyo. They are essentially Onkyos.

As far as an outboard power amp goes, the question there is how loud do you like to listen? If you like that big THX Imax "at-the-movies" sound, then yes, you should get a good outboard amp. If not, a receiver will probably suffice. Most people do not usually listen to the levels played at commercial cinemas. If you want an amp, a very good deal can be had with the Outlaw Audio 5000x at the moment, and that is a solid amp.

For furniture, there is a very good sale on Audio Advice's Revolution series right now. It looks like they are being clearanced out for the new Revelation series.
 
P

PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
Hi everyone,
I am in the process of setting up a Home Theater and need some opinions about my equipment choices. I am a “rookie” in the sense that I have not dealt with any serious audio for at least 20 years. I was first introduced to high end audio when I was stationed overseas in the early 70’s. Friendships with avionic techs, who schooled me on the electronics end of things, and a great PX allowed me to put together a pretty decent system at the time (of course I had forgotten all of that). Alas, that system (except a reel-to-reel tape deck which still works) has long since passed to the great audiophile equipment heaven. And I have about 350 albums and 40 miles of R-to-R tapes. To say I am behind the times is a great understatement. I have spent the last couple of months trying to get up to speed for these times. Boy, I miss the old days! Please help an old man deal with the new times. Yes, I know this post is breaking some “posting rules” but I don’t want to spend any more time searching a dozen different forums. I’ve done that and it gave me a starting point. Now I need some input from you knowledgeable youngsters.

I recently retired after 50 years working in the H&S and moved to a smaller house and am treating myself to a new HT set up. After settling for 2nd or 3rd level equipment, based on prices, I am looking to set up a good system with performance as the main driver. That’s not to say the budget is not important – I have set aside $25K for the complete set up - audio visual equipment, furniture, AV stand and “other” (cables wiring, etc.). I plan on buying a 77” 4k OLED TV to start with. Music is just as important to me as cinema/TV. I know it is difficult to serve these two “Masters”, but I will try. Gaming is not a priority now but maybe in the future.

So, after the TV what would be your next purchase? Receiver or speakers? I haven’t made up my mind on speakers because I would like to hear them live, which is a big challenge due to lack of independent dealers and the big box store usually do not have what I am considering and would like to hear, even though they may sell them. But, thanks to Crutchfield, I have at least an idea of the speaker performance through their website. Right now, Focal (Aria 936 K2 & Vestiva No. 3), Martin Logan (F200), B&W (703 S3), and maybe Dali (Oberon 7) are on my list. I’m open to suggestions though.

I want to start with a 5.1.2 system and eventually expand to a 7.2.4 set up. For receivers I will consider the Marantz Cin. 50, Integra DRX-5.4, and Onkyo TX RZ50 AVR’s. The Marantz checks all the boxes except THX certification. Integra and Onkyo also check almost all the boxes except they to not have discrete sub-woofer outlets or Auro 3D. The price point on the Marantz and Integra are very close and the Onkyo is about half the price of those two receivers. I never even heard of Integra. Depending on the speakers, I will probably augment the system with a 3 or 5 channel power amp. Am I missing anything? I prefer to stay away from separates (power amp. Pre-amp, DAC, etc.).

The room I have is a is a 36’x26’ finished basement with carpet, dry wall walls and suspended acoustical ceiling tiles. I am positioning the system essentially in the middle of the room on the “long wall” with a depth of ~10-12 feet. The TV will be hung on the wall and seating will be theater recliners (5). Who do you like for theater seating?

And how come all of the AV stands 14 or 15” in depth when all of the receivers I look at are 16-18”? The 3 I am looking at are 17” deep. I think it will take longer to find a proper AV stand than anything else!

Thanks in advance for helping a dumb old man. .
Welcome!

You have some great inputs from everyone, but I think post#4 and #11 together probably has all the key factors to consider when picking your electronics and speakers.

Since sound quality seems a priority for you, and after the recording/mastering quality of the media contents, speakers/room comes second, followed by the media players (turntable/cartridge, tape deck, disc players, and streamers etc), and then the AV processor/preamp and power amp, most of your $25K budget should be spent on speakers such as those Shady's listed.

As such, unless you really like the look of the Marantz and can't live with that of the Denon, there is no point paying $800-$1000 more for Marantz when you can get the equivalent Denon models such as the AVR-X4800H or even the X3800H that are on sale now. The claims about the so called Marantz's musical, or warm sound are myths, perpetuated by internet hearsay and Marantz marketing information, and their user's rave review based on their biased/influenced subjective impressions. Such talks are not much different than the same kind of claims about how more expensive cables sound better, that each piece has its own sound signature, same BS basically. In blind listening tests, such claims have been proved time and again to be nothing but just baseless claims. Sorry about a whole paragraph on this, but I thought I would preamp the Marantz preference based on sound quality, if based on other factors then none of my comments would apply, and Marantz Cinema 40 or 50 could well be the best choice for you based on other reasons than "sound quality".

Receiver or speakers? I haven’t made up my mind on speakers because I would like to hear them live, which is a big challenge due to lack of independent dealers and the big box store usually do not have what I am considering and would like to hear, even though they may sell them.
Actually, there may not be a need to hear them live, thanks to audioholics such as Shady, and Amir of ASR:

James Larson | Audioholics

Speaker Review and Measurement Index | Audio Science Review (ASR) Forum

In my opinion (and I think you might agree with me to a point if you spend some time reading some of those very detailed reviews complete with measurements), choosing your speakers based on those reviews are better than basing it on your "live" audition at the dealer's place because for example, what you may hear/experience in the dealer's room would most likely not be the same as what you would hear using the same speakers in your own room, among other reasons.
 
BoredSysAdmin

BoredSysAdmin

Audioholic Slumlord
One minor but important detail to add to our resident speaker reviewer James, aka @shadyJ - whatever model or brand of receiver you'll get - make sure to get one with multichannel pre-outs, or else you won't be able to use external amps. Philharmonic audio, for example, is an excellent suggestion, but they aren't shy of needing a beefy amp to play loudly.
I agree with Peng: Denon over Marantz and Onkyo over Integra. Paying more for premium brands doesn't bring with it a better sound. Similar to Acura ILX isn't faster than the Honda Civic Si.
 
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MrBoat

Audioholic Ninja
26' x 36' is a large room, where I come from. How large of an audience. I'd be tempted to reduce that space to something like 18' x 26' maybe. How much room treatment would it need? Will it allow your chosen components to sound like $25k worth, or will it need another $25k worth of acoustic treatment after the fact?
 
DigitalDawn

DigitalDawn

Senior Audioholic
For speakers, I am going to recommend KEF or Triad.

For cabinets, racks and seating, take a look at Salamander Designs - fantastic products.
 
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fmw

Audioholic Ninja
The most important element to the sound reproduction, of course, are the speakers including a subwoofer. The TV won't drive them so you would need a receiver at the same time. The speakers are a matter of preference and budget. Assuming a current new AV receiver, the brand and model are probably trivial so preference would guide that decision as well. Mostly it gets down to the number of channels you want and the processor features. Assuming a normal sized living room, the amplifier power isn't even a significant issue. Choose a powered subwoofer.

It is ideal if you can listen to speakers before you buy, as you know, but failing that you can be guided by reviews and budget. Be sure to leave enough for a subwoofer in the budget. It's impact on the reproduction of sound tracks is huge.
 
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HTEnthusiast

Audioholic Intern
I would get a pair of JBL HDI-3800 speakers. I have listened to them several times, and they sound fabulous. They have a 92db sensitivity, making them easy to drive for a receiver. JBL is making some really good stuff these days. They sure have figured out horn drivers, as there is none of the bright sound of old.

They are on sale at Upscale Audio right now for $1925 a piece, normally $2750. It’s a good time to be shopping. Lots of great deals.
 
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GKROOK

Audiophyte
Well folks, I pulled the trigger (or maybe triggers) and now have the start of my HT. I have spent a lot of time reading the speaker measurement reference you recommended Audioholics articles, which I thank you for, and reviewing measurements made by Audiosciencereview and Erin's Audio Corner. I had forgotten a lot of these technical details that need to be considered. Of course the final tests will be spending some time listening to everything. Beauty is in the ear of the beholder.

For a receiver I went with the Denon AVR-X3800H. Erin pointed out some flaws in his review and the Audiosciencereview but I thought I would at least try it and see. I would have probably gone with the X4800 but they weren't in stock anywhere, I bought the Philharmonic HT Towers based on the recommendations made from my original post responses. These speakers are incredible. I can pick out every instrument. I have also ordered the Ceramic Minis for my surround speakers. The center speaker is the B&W HYM 72 S3 (at least until they come out with the Philharmonic center). And I bought a SVS 12" 550W subwoofer. For the TV I bought a 77" LG C3. Now I just have to learn how to use everything. Did I do OK?

The last piece of the puzzle are the height speakers. Any recommendations? That will give me a 5.1.2 system which is good for now.

Thank you for all your feedback. It was very valuable and I enjoyed the research so thanks for your time and efforts, I couldn't have done it without you.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
Well folks, I pulled the trigger (or maybe triggers) and now have the start of my HT. I have spent a lot of time reading the speaker measurement reference you recommended Audioholics articles, which I thank you for, and reviewing measurements made by Audiosciencereview and Erin's Audio Corner. I had forgotten a lot of these technical details that need to be considered. Of course the final tests will be spending some time listening to everything. Beauty is in the ear of the beholder.

For a receiver I went with the Denon AVR-X3800H. Erin pointed out some flaws in his review and the Audiosciencereview but I thought I would at least try it and see. I would have probably gone with the X4800 but they weren't in stock anywhere, I bought the Philharmonic HT Towers based on the recommendations made from my original post responses. These speakers are incredible. I can pick out every instrument. I have also ordered the Ceramic Minis for my surround speakers. The center speaker is the B&W HYM 72 S3 (at least until they come out with the Philharmonic center). And I bought a SVS 12" 550W subwoofer. For the TV I bought a 77" LG C3. Now I just have to learn how to use everything. Did I do OK?

The last piece of the puzzle are the height speakers. Any recommendations? That will give me a 5.1.2 system which is good for now.

Thank you for all your feedback. It was very valuable and I enjoyed the research so thanks for your time and efforts, I couldn't have done it without you.
Well done. Please stay and active member. We do our best to give objective advice. Few listen and you did. We are not a forum that pushes stratospherically priced exotic equipment. What you chose is right on target for your needs. The Philharmonic center I think will be a significant upgrade. The center speaker is a really important speaker in the HT arena. It is absolutely the biggest design challenge. It has to be relatively small, but powerful and accurate. Those are literally an horrific set of competing goals. You have put together a really nice system. You have gone for quality which is the best bang for the buck.
 
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shadyJ

Speaker of the House
Staff member
Well folks, I pulled the trigger (or maybe triggers) and now have the start of my HT. I have spent a lot of time reading the speaker measurement reference you recommended Audioholics articles, which I thank you for, and reviewing measurements made by Audiosciencereview and Erin's Audio Corner. I had forgotten a lot of these technical details that need to be considered. Of course the final tests will be spending some time listening to everything. Beauty is in the ear of the beholder.

For a receiver I went with the Denon AVR-X3800H. Erin pointed out some flaws in his review and the Audiosciencereview but I thought I would at least try it and see. I would have probably gone with the X4800 but they weren't in stock anywhere, I bought the Philharmonic HT Towers based on the recommendations made from my original post responses. These speakers are incredible. I can pick out every instrument. I have also ordered the Ceramic Minis for my surround speakers. The center speaker is the B&W HYM 72 S3 (at least until they come out with the Philharmonic center). And I bought a SVS 12" 550W subwoofer. For the TV I bought a 77" LG C3. Now I just have to learn how to use everything. Did I do OK?

The last piece of the puzzle are the height speakers. Any recommendations? That will give me a 5.1.2 system which is good for now.

Thank you for all your feedback. It was very valuable and I enjoyed the research so thanks for your time and efforts, I couldn't have done it without you.
Nice system!

For the height speakers, are you looking for in-ceiling speakers? or on-wall speakers? For in-ceilings, I would be looking at KEF.
 

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