Why I am not getting the full UtraHD audio from AmazonMusic

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Trebdp83

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Glad it worked out. Sorry for hijacking thread for atmos and such. Seems Tidal app is available on some new Sony TVs as well.;)
 
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Trebdp83

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As for MQA, don’t worry about it. It's just their hi-res nonsense and nothing to do with lossless(16/44.1) or atmos(DD+/metadata) tracks. Instead of straight up 24/192 tracks like those found on Amazon Music Ultra HD or Qobuz, Tidal requires two devices that support the MQA “unfolding” process for 24/192. So, the streaming device AND the DAC have to support it. Apple isn't much better and requires an external DAC for 24/192 from iOS device or Mac. HDMI from Mac and Apple TV do NOT support 24/192 and are capped at 24/48.

For those only interested in two channel CD quality 16/44.1 tracks, there are now many streaming options such as from Amazon Music(HD), Apple Music, Deezer, Qobuz, Tidal… and others.
 
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Hetfield

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Trebdp83 said:
As for MQA, don’t worry about it. It's just their hi-res nonsense and nothing to do with lossless(16/44.1) or atmos(DD+/metadata) tracks. Instead of straight up 24/192 tracks like those found on Amazon Music Ultra HD or Qobuz, Tidal requires two devices that support the MQA “unfolding” process for 24/192. So, the streaming device AND the DAC have to support it. Apple isn't much better and requires an external DAC for 24/192 from iOS device or Mac. HDMI from Mac and Apple TV do NOT support 24/192 and are capped at 24/48.

For those only interested in two channel CD quality 16/44.1 tracks, there are now many streaming options such as from Amazon Music(HD), Apple Music, Deezer, Qobuz, Tidal… and others.
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Exactly, it's a little confusing and complicated. The Atmos or DD+ music sounds fantastic. I just need Amazon music to offer the same and I'll be good but not from the Echo or something. Just let my home theater do the hard work.
Anyone have any info on Amazon music adding DD+ music or Atmos music to the general app. For home home theater?

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Trebdp83

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Yeah, still not seeing 3D Music(Amazon Music’s Atmos music designation) being available on anything other than the Echo, yet. One can try Atmos tracks from Tidal and I read that Apple Music app is now supported on Fire devices but not sure if Spatial Audio(Apple’s Atmos designation) is supported on hardware other than Apple’s own.

As for DD+ showing up on the Denon X3400H, seems Atmos is not a selectable mode when using 5.1 speakers. This is because the X3400 does not support Dolby Atmos Height Virtualization and doesn’t use that process to work the Atmos metadata into the five channels available in the setup. So, with 5.1 speakers, the base DD+ or TrueHD track is recognized as the signal without Atmos metadata. It does, however support DTS Virtual:X after a firmware update. It may or may not allow DTS Virtual:X processing to Dolby tracks but one can try.
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Trebdp83

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You guys with HEOS can do us a favor if using Tidal or Amazon Music apps. Currently, no receiver's built in apps support atmos from any service. MusicCast didn't support it the last time I tried it. So, if anybody finds atmos tracks actually playback in atmos at some point using HEOS, do fill us all in.

Oh, and question for Fire device folks. Do Fire devices have the ability to convert to PCM and retain multichannel signal or is it down converted to two channel PCM? I'm resisting the urge to go out and get another device. Still wish I'd hung onto the NVIDIA Shield Pro.:confused: But, only so many HDMI ports. I guess I could let a couple of components go and get a Fire Cube and NVIDIA Shield Pro as stocking stuffers this year.;)
 
Pogre

Pogre

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Hetfield said:
Exactly, it's a little confusing and complicated. The Atmos or DD+ music sounds fantastic. I just need Amazon music to offer the same and I'll be good but not from the Echo or something. Just let my home theater do the hard work.
Anyone have any info on Amazon music adding DD+ music or Atmos music to the general app. For home home theater?

Sent from my Pixel 4 XL using Tapatalk
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Do you have atmos speakers?
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

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Trebdp83 said:
Oh, and question for Fire device folks. Do Fire devices have the ability to convert to PCM and retain multichannel signal or is it down converted to two channel PCM? I'm resisting the urge to go out and get another device. Still wish I'd hung onto the NVIDIA Shield Pro.:confused: But, only so many HDMI ports. I guess I could let a couple of components go and get a Fire Cube and NVIDIA Shield Pro as stocking stuffers this year.;)
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My Fire Sticks don't even have a pcm setting. You can set to:
1/ Dolby Digital Plus Automatic
2/ Dolby Digital Plus Off (which yields stereo only audio for programs normally available in DD+)
3/ Dolby Digital Plus over HDMI (and on this one says if your device does not support DD you will receive stereo quality audio)
4/ Dolby Digital over HDMI
 
Epsonfan

Epsonfan

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Heos App supports the following some are 24-bit 192 some are plain CD Q.

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Dal1as

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lovinthehd said:
My Fire Sticks don't even have a pcm setting. You can set to:
1/ Dolby Digital Plus Automatic
2/ Dolby Digital Plus Off (which yields stereo only audio for programs normally available in DD+)
3/ Dolby Digital Plus over HDMI (and on this one says if your device does not support DD you will receive stereo quality audio)
4/ Dolby Digital over HDMI
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Interesting. Is your firestick an older model as I just got mine and it has DD+, DD, and PCM. HDMI is the only output. I have it plugged into an audio extractor which then sends it to a DAC so I can input an Analog signal into my Integra processor and get music to my zone 2 and 3.

I am not sure if their is multichannel content on Amazone music HD so am not sure how to test that.
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

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Dal1as said:
Interesting. Is your firestick an older model as I just got mine and it has DD+, DD, and PCM. HDMI is the only output. I have it plugged into an audio extractor which then sends it to a DAC so I can input an Analog signal into my Integra processor and get music to my zone 2 and 3.

I am not sure if their is multichannel content on Amazone music HD so am not sure how to test that.
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Yep older models. Plain old Fire Sticks, not 4k....per the details it's a Fire TV Home Version 6330044.1, Software version Fire OS 5.2.8.2 (668700720) whatever the hell that all means :) Why they have the multiple choices seemingly with/without hdmi when I'm pretty sure the only way to connect them is hdmi....
 
Epsonfan

Epsonfan

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Oh boy got a new problem. Now I can't seen to play Amazon Music on HEOS with my 2nd system , the App finds the second Marantz in the house but I can't access HEOS on the second receiver. Anyone else experience this?..
 
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JengaHit

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Pogre said:
Well then I am usless, lol.

Now that I think about it, I also have a firetv (android) and it won't play the higher resolutions either. I can only get it with my pc.
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I'm wondering if this is an Android OS thing. I have this problem with my LG V50 ThinQ phone. Amazon Music HD says my device capability is only 24/48. But my phone has an ESS ES9218P SABRE DAC, or "QUAD DAC"; ESS says this DAC supports up to 32-bit 384 kHz PCM, DSD512.

On the other hand, 16/44, 16/48, or 24/48 sound great anyway, definitely an improvement over standard Amazon Music streams or the mp3s that are usually included with an Amazon CD purchase (yes, I'm one of the few throwbacks who still buy CDs and want physical media sometimes). I'm not so sure I'm missing much by not being able to stream what little 24/96 or 24/192 content there is. I wonder if I could tell the difference.
 
Epsonfan

Epsonfan

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This sounds wonderful in 24 bit Chris Jones is amazing ...
 
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Hetfield

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Epsonfan said:
This sounds wonderful in 24 bit Chris Jones is amazing ...
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Oh man that is an awesome one! Sounds amazing, and I have no idea how I discovered it a few months ago. The bass is intense for an acoustic song. Sounds absolutely amazing.

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Pogre

Pogre

Audioholic Slumlord
JengaHit said:
I'm wondering if this is an Android OS thing. I have this problem with my LG V50 ThinQ phone. Amazon Music HD says my device capability is only 24/48. But my phone has an ESS ES9218P SABRE DAC, or "QUAD DAC"; ESS says this DAC supports up to 32-bit 384 kHz PCM, DSD512.

On the other hand, 16/44, 16/48, or 24/48 sound great anyway, definitely an improvement over standard Amazon Music streams or the mp3s that are usually included with an Amazon CD purchase (yes, I'm one of the few throwbacks who still buy CDs and want physical media sometimes). I'm not so sure I'm missing much by not being able to stream what little 24/96 or 24/192 content there is. I wonder if I could tell the difference.
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I'm one of those throwbacks as well. Pretty much 99.9% of my streaming is lossless cd rips direct from my hard drive. I haven't heard a streaming service that sounds any better no matter the resolution.
 
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