Utter newbie just doesn't understand. Can you please explain to me why this can't be?

[markw]

Anyhow, I'm outta here.

I'll leave with two lines from a previous post to ruminate on.

"Perhaps if you listen to what's being said instead of telling everyone what you want to hear, your visit here might be more productive and somewhat more enjoyable.

IOW, it's not anybody elses fault if the answers to the questions you ask aren't the ones you want to hear."


Markw - outta here (hey Jimbo. Long time no see. How's things in da city? Goin' to the show next week?)

 

[jaxvon]

They don't have a magical receiver, but they do have some ultra-spiffy processors that calibrate the physical setup of the speakers to the room. The processors then output line-level signals to an amp array that powers the speakers. Still not comparable to your proposed setup.

 

[bobman1235]

No,I am sure that for that 10,000 square foot location, they are using several multithousand dollar receivers.
But since I don't have 10,000 square feet to cover, I don't need to have a million dollar setup.

They say RIGHT IN THE ARTICLE that they are using 16 SURROUNDS, 5 'FRONTS' and two SUBs.. How are they doing this? EIther through multiple receivers, or through running all the speakers on the same outputs, or some form of boosting to each speaker after the signal is created.

Unless, Like I said, they've got some magical 21.2 channel receiver?

They're most likely using multiple AMPLIFIERS. If your receiver had a pre-out, which allows you to connect directly to an amplifier, you would pretty much have NO problem (other than crappy speakers, of course). Because you can hook a bunch of amps up to one pre-out if you want to, and hook each set of speakers to its own amp, and have no issues. This is the way to do what you want to do. However, you don't want a different receiver, so that is moot.

I'm not going to get involved in all this crap-slinging, I just wanted to let you know how it's possible to have multiple sets of speakers.

 

[jaxvon]

Like a previous post said, a 10dB increase will result in a perceived doubling of loudness. You can achieve this by simply using more efficient speakers rather than using more amplification and more speakers.

 

[markw]

ding ding ding. We have a winnah!!!!

Like a previous post said, a 10dB increase will result in a perceived doubling of loudness. You can achieve this by simply using more efficient speakers rather than using more amplification and more speakers.

Give dis man a kewpie doll.

 

[MacManNM]

No,I am sure that for that 10,000 square foot location, they are using several multithousand dollar receivers.
But since I don't have 10,000 square feet to cover, I don't need to have a million dollar setup.

They say RIGHT IN THE ARTICLE that they are using 16 SURROUNDS, 5 'FRONTS' and two SUBs.. How are they doing this? EIther through multiple receivers, or through running all the speakers on the same outputs, or some form of boosting to each speaker after the signal is created.

Unless, Like I said, they've got some magical 21.2 channel receiver?

Im laughing my a** off right now. I don't think I've seen someone this hardheaded and wrong since my last discussion with MTRYCRAFTS

 

[markw]

Kinda like an auto accident.

Im laughing my a** off right now. I don't think I've seen someone this hardheaded and wrong since my last discussion with MTRYCRAFTS

Ya don't wanna stare too much but it's hard not to.

 

[rgriffin25]

Like a previous post said, a 10dB increase will result in a perceived doubling of loudness. You can achieve this by simply using more efficient speakers rather than using more amplification and more speakers.

Rather than complain for each of the responses given, try to listen to what has been said. Buy new speakers! I have hooked up a few cheap HTIBs like the one you own and I must say I can completely understand why you are disappointed.

Do yourself a favor, go buy some Athena speakers at bestbuy and bring them home and hook them up. This will answer your question really fast. And instead of arguing with us on why we are wrong, you will be too busy enjoying your 5.1 system that will obliterate those crap speakers you currently use. Then if and I mean IF you are unhappy, take them back!

Check out the Audition series, they are really efficient speakers and should get the job done for you!

 

[Tom Andry]

I don't think I've seen someone this hardheaded and wrong...

You've never been to one of my family reunions

 

[markw]

You've never been to one of my family reunions

I'll bet at least there there's free food and beer.

 

[Malogato]

Rather than complain for each of the responses given, try to listen to what has been said. Buy new speakers! I have hooked up a few cheap HTIBs like the one you own and I must say I can completely understand why you are disappointed.

Do yourself a favor, go buy some Athena speakers at bestbuy and bring them home and hook them up. This will answer your question really fast. And instead of arguing with us on why we are wrong, you will be too busy enjoying your 5.1 system that will obliterate those crap speakers you currently use. Then if and I mean IF you are unhappy, take them back!

Check out the Audition series, they are really efficient speakers and should get the job done for you!

I'm NOT GOING TO SPEND $550 ON SPEAKERS
I'm not going to spend $300 on speakers
I've got speakers
I've got too many speakers
How many times do I have to say this.
I want to use the too many speakers I have, instead of being told "buy more speakers"

 

[zumbo]

Now, will you please consider the Cerwins. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!

 

[zumbo]

No,I am sure that for that 10,000 square foot location, they are using several multithousand dollar receivers.
But since I don't have 10,000 square feet to cover, I don't need to have a million dollar setup.

They say RIGHT IN THE ARTICLE that they are using 16 SURROUNDS, 5 'FRONTS' and two SUBs.. How are they doing this? EIther through multiple receivers, or through running all the speakers on the same outputs, or some form of boosting to each speaker after the signal is created.

Unless, Like I said, they've got some magical 21.2 channel receiver?

Multiple receivers.

Oh my. Will you PLEASE PLEASE listen.

 

[zumbo]

I'm NOT GOING TO SPEND $550 ON SPEAKERS
I'm not going to spend $300 on speakers
I've got speakers
I've got too many speakers
How many times do I have to say this.
I want to use the too many speakers I have, instead of being told "buy more speakers"

Then use the speakers you have. It ain't gonna get any better that way hardheaded.

 

[jaxvon]

I've got too many speakers

I've already proposed a solution to this:

If you have too many, sell them. Or, if you're still within the return period, return them. Now you have no speakers and you have $$. Now you take the $$ you just got from selling/returning the speakers you used to have and use it to purchase some good speakers like Athenas. No one said you have to buy MORE speakers. In fact, I keep saying that you should end up with LESS speakers, but of a higher QUALITY.

 

[MacManNM]

I'm NOT GOING TO SPEND $550 ON SPEAKERS
I'm not going to spend $300 on speakers
I've got speakers
I've got too many speakers
How many times do I have to say this.
I want to use the too many speakers I have, instead of being told "buy more speakers"

Go down to home depot, buy some 22ga. zip cord, wire all of your speakers in parallel, then take the end and connect it to a 60amp 220v circuit breaker in your fuse box. Turn it on, and then you can go buy speakers

 

[Buckeyefan 1]

I'm NOT GOING TO SPEND $550 ON SPEAKERS
I'm not going to spend $300 on speakers
I've got speakers
I've got too many speakers
How many times do I have to say this.
I want to use the too many speakers I have, instead of being told "buy more speakers"

I have an idea. For comparisons sake, get all the clock radios in your house, your relatives' houses, friends' houses, put them in one room, and blast them to your favorite channel. Them you'll have 50 speakers with 50 receivers. If this is the sound you are looking for, by god you are on the right path.

 

[Malogato]

Now, will you please consider the Cerwins. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!

This is still "BUY SPEAKERS"

 

[markw]

Bwahahaha...

I'm NOT GOING TO SPEND $550 ON SPEAKERS
I'm not going to spend $300 on speakers
I've got speakers
I've got too many speakers
How many times do I have to say this.
I want to use the too many speakers I have, instead of being told "buy more speakers"

...and the wheels on the bus go round and around, round and around, round and around The wheels on the bus go round and around, round and around, round and around...


Please note the tag line. Anybody still wonder why I chose it?

 

[bobman1235]

I'm NOT GOING TO SPEND $550 ON SPEAKERS
I'm not going to spend $300 on speakers
I've got speakers
I've got too many speakers
How many times do I have to say this.
I want to use the too many speakers I have, instead of being told "buy more speakers"

The problem is, to put a more fine a point on it - your speakers suck. If you go too loud with them, THEY WILL DISTORT, no matter what you do, or how many receivers you hook up. If you maybe JUST go with the Pioneers, you might be OK, as you said t hose sound better and "louder". As soon as you put those other speakers from the HTiB into the equation, your sound is going downhill, no matter how you do it, and it won't be worth the tiny bit of loudness increase you get. You're asking to do something that will NEVER sound good.

The ONLY way to make it sound reasonable at a loud volume is to get better speakers. Otherwise, just give up, and take whichever set of speakers sounds better (or louder if that's all you care about) and use those. We're all sorry that this is not the answer you want - it sucks, it really does, when you can't just make things work, but that's life. There's a reason people spend so much on this stuff - it's not possible with cheapo equipment.