SVS Visit 7-22-05

[Buckeyefan 1]

Now, our visiting experts to SVS may have reached a degree of exposure to excellence which brings about a certain bias. I have not heard a dual driver sub and therefore cannot but believe what we are told here. But believe this, I am more than satisfied with my single driver sub and I'm sure it would please the vast majority of readers here presently using less than a 12' driver powered by a 320 watt amp. and housed in a 78 lbs box.

I wouldn't go so far as to call myself an "expert." Just a "bass head" who enjoys movies, music, and tweaking the heck out of systems. I couldn't agree with you more, that we do have a bit of a bias towards their upscale offerings. Picture going to a Hawaiian Tropic thong bikini contest, and having to "critique" the goods. They are all good, but some make others look terrible, when in fact you'd gladly take home the last place contestant at 2pm in your local watering hole-without a fight. I was hoping a few SVS owners would put in their .02 on what these units can accomodate in a given room. Brian, I'm sure you'll be more than happy with either 12" box. If you can swing it, get the series V. That way, you won't look back and say, "I wish I would have spent the extra $$."

 

[mulester7]

I was hoping a few SVS owners would put in their .02 on what these units can accomodate in a given room

.....Buck, I'll say this....I envision a room 150 X 100 X 25 tall....every square inch of the room is ONE chamber....there are 10 pairs of front mains, 15 pairs of surrounds on the sides, 20 pairs of presence speakers all over, 10 pairs of rears on the back wall, 12 small cannons on all four walls, and TWO, SVS B12-Plus/4's ARE, balancing ALL, of the aforementioned, with a timbre/presence you can't get anywhere else.....

 

[mulester7]

.....another thing....concerning these port plugs....maybe for DVD's....maybe....

.....I pitched my grey port plugs into a closet awhile ago....to use them, changes the frequency the box was tuned to, and removes spl's from the top range....yes, using the port plugs, even one, has the same effect as moving the phase knob away from 0....not in my house on either, thanks.....

.....you can't hear pitch below about 35 anyway....so, from 35, down to 25 or 20, is all the realism concussion actually needed....why neuter the top spl's?....why take away the "punch?"....why change the tuning of the box and destroy the cleanness and seperation of the oscillations?....it don't go low enough?....gimme' a break, Superman Ears, whoever ye' may be....you probably think you can hear a gnat fart from 50 yards too....

 

[Buckeyefan 1]

it don't go low enough?....gimme' a break, Superman Ears, whoever ye' may be....you probably think you can hear a gnat fart from 50 yards too...

OK, now that was funny. LOL. I agree. I like the punch, but punch at 35Hz won't do for U571. You need both. If you were to build your own sub, which would you use - the JL W7, MTX Thunder 9500, or Pioneer 5000? And which pro amp, a crown or Mackie? (Told you I was a bass head)

 

[mulester7]

OK, now that was funny. LOL. I agree. I like the punch, but punch at 35Hz won't do for U571. You need both. If you were to build your own sub, which would you use - the JL W7 or MTX Thunder 9500? And which pro amp, a crown or Mackie? (Told you I was a bass head)

.....absolutely, Buck, you need from 35 down to 25 or 20 for that realism concussion you only feel.....

.....wow, those are some large magnets on the elements you linked, Buck....I bet some of those that specialized are rated 1 ohm.....

 

[mulester7]

which pro amp, a crown or Mackie?

.....Buck, if you mean McIntosh amps for pushing lows, I tried two....MC 2105, and the MC 2200....these two, at least, were not meant to push subs....at all....

.....I'm not trying to push anything, but these Crown K2's, strapped to 2500, kick the CRAP, out of these B12's.....sure, the Crown K Series amps are ultra-clean, but I honestly think the damping factor of >3000 enters in....it was defined to me more than once, that the higher the damping factor, the more quickly the signal gets on, and off, the voice coil....hello clean....I will go ahead and say the Crown K Series, is the most revolutionary amp to be had for the bucks.....and that's what my system is based on....getting the most for my system with as minimal outlay of funds as possible.....

 

[Buckeyefan 1]

Basketball or sub, which is bigger?

wow, those are some large magnets on the elements you linked, Buck....I bet some of those that specialized are rated 1 ohm...

They sure are, dual voice coils at 2 ohms. You think those are impressive. Read up on this monster. The first link is a photo. Scroll down to see the basketball. (You can just cut a hole in the floor to the crawl space. No box needed )
http://www.mtx.com/caraudio/products/subwoofers/jackHammer_img.cfm

www.mtx.com/caraudio/products/subwoofers/jackHammer.cfm

 

[mulester7]

You think those are impressive. Read up on this monster. The first link is a photo. Scroll down to see the basketball.
http://www.mtx.com/caraudio/products/subwoofers/jackHammer_img.cfm

www.mtx.com/caraudio/products/subwoofers/jackHammer.cfm

.....MY GOSH!!!....Buck, is that Darth Vader's Mother Ship???.....56 pound magnet, with 6.5 inch voice coil......

.....and I LOVE the basketball for reference....I wish guys here who take photos of their stuff, would simply set coke cans somewhere in the picture for reference of size....

 

[Buckeyefan 1]

Buck, if you mean McIntosh amps for pushing lows, I tried two....MC 2105, and the MC 2200....these two, at least, were not meant to push subs....at all.

No, actually, I meant Mackie. The 2600.
http://www.mackie.com/products/m2600/index.html

I don't know how it compares to the Crown, but it's definitely a nice bang for your buck.

 

[mulester7]

No, actually, I meant Mackie. The 2600.
http://www.mackie.com/products/m2600/index.html

I don't know how it compares to the Crown, but it's definitely a nice bang for your buck.

.....aaahh, ok....ignorance pled from this end.....

 

[MacManNM]

.....aaahh, ok....ignorance pled from this end.....

Mule, Those are really good amps, I don't know how they perform next to the crown but I love them.

 

[mfabien]

I wouldn't go so far as to call myself an "expert." Just a "bass head" who enjoys movies, music, and tweaking the heck out of systems. I couldn't agree with you more, that we do have a bit of a bias towards their upscale offerings. Picture going to a Hawaiian Tropic thong bikini contest, and having to "critique" the goods. They are all good, but some make others look terrible, when in fact you'd gladly take home the last place contestant at 2pm in your local watering hole-without a fight. I was hoping a few SVS owners would put in their .02 on what these units can accomodate in a given room. Brian, I'm sure you'll be more than happy with either 12" box. If you can swing it, get the series V. That way, you won't look back and say, "I wish I would have spent the extra $$."

The thing is that newbies in search for good recommendations, so they may invest with care in an audio system and, at the same time, convince their spouse that they had assistance from experienced people in this specialized Forum, are placing a good amount of trust in your views.

For most people a quality (such as SVS or HSU) and powerful sub with a single driver and a single port will perform beyond their dreams. That is true for me (and look at the size of my room in photos posted today in the Member Systems Forum).

Now, there are better models and will always be (Ferrari is better than Corvette) but the question is, Mr. Buck, will a PB-12 ISD give me satisfaction or must I aim for a PB-12 ISD/2 or Ultra or Plus/4? And face the financial burden to satisfy one's needs.

 

[mulester7]

Mule, Those are really good amps, I don't know how they perform next to the crown but I love them.

.....Mac, for you and Buck to be interested in the Mackie 2600 is a worthy endorsement indeed....but if the Mackie is fan-cooled, I would drop an additional 250 to get the sealed enclosure of the Crown K2, and get that damping factor to boot....I don't know, lots of good stuff, lots of stuff desired, and so little moolah to let go....Mac, you in the same boat?.....

 

[MacManNM]

.....Mac, for you and Buck to be interested in the Mackie 2600 is a worthy endorsement indeed....but if the Mackie is fan-cooled, I would drop an additional 250 to get the sealed enclosure of the Crown K2, and get that damping factor to boot....I don't know, lots of good stuff, lots of stuff desired, and so little moolah to let go....Mac, you in the same boat?.....

Yeah, thats why I usualy buy older used stuff and fix or modify it. Although, anymore i don't have time to do that either.

 

[mulester7]

Yeah, thats why I usualy buy older used stuff and fix or modify it

.....OOOOOOOOHH!!, that I had the knowledge, experience, and bench/tools to do such, Mac....I can change the crap out of a fuse though....

 

[Buckeyefan 1]

Now, there are better models and will always be (Ferrari is better than Corvette) but the question is, Mr. Buck, will a PB-12 ISD give me satisfaction or must I aim for a PB-12 ISD/2 or Ultra or Plus/4? And face the financial burden to satisfy one's needs.

Right you are. Half the members here would have no problem dropping an extra $300 to upgrade to a better unit, while the other half are scraping beer money together for that weekend frat party. SVS subs aren't cheap, and don't start out that way. That's why I also endorse the sub $250 12" units (the Dayton, BIC, Acoustech, Cadence, and even JBL). The question of the day is (if room permits), would two of the sub $250 units equal or surpass one $600 PB12 ISD?

 

[MacManNM]

Now, there are better models and will always be (Ferrari is better than Corvette) but the question is,

Let's not get crazy here, maybe for Chixxx factor, but run them at the track and they are pretty close, in fact the Vette will prob edge that import.

 

[Buckeyefan 1]

Let's not get crazy here, maybe for Chixxx factor, but run them at the track and they are pretty close, in fact the Vette will prob edge that import.

Are you nuts? The '06 Z06 won't hold a candle to the Enzo Ferrari. Read the specs and weep.
2006 CHEVROLET CORVETTE Z06
Vehicle type: front-engine, rear-wheel-drive, 2-passenger, 2-door coupe
Estimated base price: $62,500
Engine type: pushrod 16-valve V-8, aluminum block and heads, port fuel injection
Displacement: 428 cu in, 7008cc
Power (SAE net): 500 bhp @ 6200 rpm
Torque (SAE net): 475 lb-ft @ 4800 rpm
Transmission: 6-speed manual
Wheelbase: 105.7 in
Length/width/height: 174.6/75.6/49.1 in
Curb weight: 3150 lb
Manufacturer's performance ratings:
Zero to 60 mph: 3.8 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 7.7 sec
Standing 1/4-mile: 11.7 sec @ 127 mph
Projected fuel economy (C/D est):
EPA city driving: 16 mpg
EPA highway driving: 22 mpg

I won't even waste my time looking up the Enzo specs.

 

[mulester7]

Torque (SAE net): 475 lb-ft @ 4800 rpm

.....good grief, what a light-weight, haha....I may have to drop a mountain engine in my Pinto and whup that butt..........

 

[mfabien]

Even the little Subaru WRX STI with 300 bhp will do 0-100 mph in 4.8 seconds (vs 7.7 seconds for the Corvette).

Thanks for trying to help me, Mac. The comment here could have been that for $62,000 you get heads to turn around... not as much as for a purebred like a Ferrari but it gets the job done.

I used to be # 2 at Citroën in Canada and at the time, Citroën had a controlling interest in Maserati (which in those years competed well with Ferrari). And I must tell you that in 1973 my driving choice at high speed was a Citroën SM with a Maserati engine ($12,500 CDA at the time) over a Maserati Ghibli (maybe $45,000 CDA in that year) because the Citroën hydropneumatic suspension was unbeatable... the higher the speed, the less road surface effects felt. And I drove both cars at 150 mph.

Today's Citroën with a Maserati engine is my SVS PB-12 ISD.