Speaker Wire Myths and Truths

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mustang_steve

Senior Audioholic
Yep, one of my now increasingly rare posts.

This kind of quackery is not unheard of in other equally pricey industries.

Look at Cycling....you can drop up to $30k on a new racing bike....dripping with carbon fiber and titanium...in some cases even the compoenets are re-fitted with titanium bolts to shave down weight, and sometimes the parts are even machined and re-finished to shave down those last ounces. $30k gets you a 8lb 20speed racing bicycle. 17lbs is considered light.

Now the quackery is this....they are now producing "vibration dampers" to kill the harsh rides these lightweight bikes have. They claim it's dur to elastomers, etc.....guess what it really is? Adding weight!

So you just spend thousands on a lightweight bike, and now you're spending $50 to add weight to it! It makes no sense.....yet people will defend these products with a voracity that I have only seen on cable asylum regarding the invalidity of ABX testing.

It's not just a problem in audio...it's a problem in any hobby where people put down tremendous amounts of cash. Nobody wants to admit to making a bad purchase when thousands of dollars were involved. That's part of why I remain to this day a budget audiophile...I don't want to make a mistake of that magnatude.

What we have needed and always will need are people to offer the right answers. And by right, I don't mean what people want to hear, I mean what they should hear. There are many fine audio products out there, and sudio nirvana is very attainable, so long as purchases are made with sound logic and knowledge.

That said, I do think exotic cables are a sham. Here's my rules for buying cables:

1) Quality: I expect cables to be consistent and well built.

2) flexible: I need a cable I can easily route and handle....flexibility is key to this. this is the reason I like PTFE insulation on my interconnects, and soft rubber on my speaker cables.

3) looks: I have visible speaker cable runs, so I did opt for a good looking set of speaker cables. I spent more than I would if I went with 12ga OFC , but it was worth it to me. If it was an in-wall run or under the carpet, I wouldn't have cared if it was bright pink cable...I'd use it anyways if it was good quality for the right price.
 
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Nick250

Audioholic Samurai
No to mention how much money is wasted by philatelists.

Nick
 
Rock&Roll Ninja

Rock&Roll Ninja

Audioholic Field Marshall
(looks up philatelist on dictionary.com)
 
no. 5

no. 5

Audioholic Field Marshall
mustang_steve said:
It's not just a problem in audio...it's a problem in any hobby where people put down tremendous amounts of cash.
I think you are right mustang, but we rant about overpriced cables because we are into audio rather than cycling :)
 
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GreenJelly

Banned
Rock&Roll Ninja said:
(looks up philatelist on dictionary.com)
I think you need to post that result...

Im just glad that we can tell people NOT to buy this stuff... Without beign shunned. Their were times when these cables started to become popular, and I got **** from sales men for not buying them... Id go back to them and complain that my speakers dont sound right... they would blame it on the audio cable and refuse to service the speakers... So I asked to test out a pair (this beign a high end audio store, this activity is allowed), and the problem continued.

So I returned the cable, and told them that I still had a problem... I also told him that the $1K cable "...seemed to add a radio signal to my speakers tweaters, and that I was forced to listen to Rush Limbaugh for 3 days."; PayBack is a *****!

Mike
 
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no. 5

no. 5

Audioholic Field Marshall
straight from dictionary.com...

philatelist

n : a collector and student of postage stamps
 
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GreenJelly

Banned
no. 5 said:
philatelist

n : a collector and student of postage stamps
Im sorry for philatelist... really sad... I think they need some prozack. then again I collected Baseball cards and Comic Books

Mike
 
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mustang_steve

Senior Audioholic
no. 5 said:
I think you are right mustang, but we rant about overpriced cables because we are into audio rather than cycling :)
Of course I know that :)

It's still relevant though....automotive performance, hi-fi audio, computers, photography, heck even classic shaving....there are good products and sham products made just to get a fast buck, or for nothing more than status.


I still think cables should be specced as an industry standard, and have equipment built around those...but since there is such a booming cable industry, that just won't happen. A pipe dream of mine.
 
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GreenJelly

Banned
BTW, the study I saw about the MIT speaker cables verse the cloths hangers tied together was an Analog and not a digital test.

This stuff sickens me...
 
stratman

stratman

Audioholic Ninja
I think the big cable companies should have their products rated on the BS factor.

How much BS does it take to sell a particular model: Batteries, ding dongs hanging off the ends, braided pig intestines dipped in platinum, all these increase the BS factor so naturally the price must go up.
 
masak_aer

masak_aer

Senior Audioholic
stratman said:
I think the big cable companies should have their products rated on the BS factor.

How much BS does it take to sell a particular model: Batteries, ding dongs hanging off the ends, braided pig intestines dipped in platinum, all these increase the BS factor so naturally the price must go up.
You guys are mean...:D .

Let's rate the big cable companies bye their BS Factor. Let me start with Monster: 2-star rating for them:p (they are still much cheaper than others big BS cable companies).
 
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GreenJelly

Banned
$10,000 for a speaker wire that works as well as a $10 lamp cord...

Yeah, their are bigger fish then monster.
 
BMXTRIX

BMXTRIX

Audioholic Warlord
Monster is actually tough. Because their cables tend to be fairly well made and tend to do a very good job of maintaining 75ohm impedence across the cable and through the terminators - which many cheaper cables fail at. While this rarely affects image quality, it still shows that they do put out a good product.

Unfortunately, their pricing is just way to much. I know where I used to work that cable markup was well over 100%. This means that the COST of Monster Cables may be half, or less, of what you see in stores. It also means that the cost of Monster Cables may not really be nearly as outrageous as some people believe them to be.

Yet, would I recommend them to a friend?

No. Not with the alternatives that are out there and especially not when people are on a budget. There are far better things you can buy if you only have a $2,000 budget. Should your budget be a good deal more, then I won't fret if they waste a bit of money on Monster Cables if it makes them happy to do so.

Keep in mind that there are companies out there that charge a serious premium for their product, but then actually deliver a lousy product *coughbosecough* and those are the ones that must truly be avoided.

Out of 5 stars for BS - Monster falls in the middle. They aren't crazy overpriced and their products definitely perform well. There are products that cost more and underperform Monster and there are products that resort to true gadgetry and BS and cost a TON more. Monster is just 'average' for charging more to push a decent product to the masses. I can live with that.
 
stratman

stratman

Audioholic Ninja
How would you guys rate MITs little black boxes? 4 stars, 5 maybe?

I'm sure if you open one of those little boxes you can find musical nirvana stashed away in there. And lots of braided,platinum dipped, pig entrails. Along with Jimmy Hoffa, Amelia Earhart, who killed Kennedy, and all the answers to the Bermuda Triangle......oh and Rosie Odonell.:D
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
mustang_steve said:
I still think cables should be specced as an industry standard, and have equipment built around those...but since there is such a booming cable industry, that just won't happen. A pipe dream of mine.

Cables do have industry standard specs. One must ask for them from dealers though, if they have them in the first place. One only needs to check out Belden's web site to see the specs on cables. Of course, none of the products by Monster et al are there:D

No need to build equipment around cables. That would be silly. Each cable length change gives a different overall spec. How many products do you want out there, infinite?
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
GreenJelly said:
BTW, the study I saw about the MIT speaker cables verse the cloths hangers tied together was an Analog and not a digital test.

This stuff sickens me...

Oh, ok. That makes that coat hanger even better performers:D
 

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