On Trump

[Trell]

I’m ok to keep it the Vance walz debate. It’s what I was posting about anyways. However, I appreciate the bulwark links and do agree. He made it all sound reasonable. That’s the point of debating. Present your case in an articulate poignant fashion. IMO, Vance did that. Walz did not.

Vance is a very good (excellent?) debater but he is also a morally hollow man that is very common among Private Equity people like him: He will say anything to get ahead, so when looking back with his former statements that should be clear. Btw, as far as I know Mitt Romney has never said anything similar about Graham that is a morally hollow man that lost his moral compass when John McCain died, and is still morally rudder less Ilike most of GOP at national level).

As for Harris changing her opinions over the years: Sure, if warranted when facts and circumstances changes so does rational peoples opinions; that is what I expect of those I vote for. That is very different from the crass brown-nosing Vance has done just to get ahead (he didn't mind working for and being bank rolled by creeps like Peter Thiel that is child less and have no stake in our future, using Vance own words), whatever the cost to anyone else.

So, to go back to Mrs Harris: Has she changed her opinion on several important issues since her failed bid for Democratic nominee for President in 2020 elections. Yeah, sure. Has being a Vice President something to do with this? Yeah sure. Do candidates for President change their (public) opinions between primary and officially becomes candidate and start campaigning as such? Hell yeah!

Who do I think will preserve democracy and rule of law? Harris any day, as she has shown so over the decades.

 

[Dude#1279435]

But his answer was great. All the while the moderator was talking over him trying not to let him finish. More nerfing from the media.

Vance said, 'I thought we were not fact checking?" Implying he was going to lie LOL. Not great but rather putting your foot in your own mouth.

I agree Vance can debate. Unfortunately the top guy (Trump) does not. He doesn't articulate much of anything.

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

Vance said, 'I thought we were not fact checking?" Implying he was going to lie LOL. Not great but rather putting your foot in your own mouth.

I can definitely see how it sounded like that. But what he did in response was really very good. He made his point very clearly. All while being talked over and shooed on. To me that was like, oh I have to shut him up before he makes a good point. I mean, it was a debate. Right?

 

[David_Alexander]

I’m ok to keep it the Vance walz debate. It’s what I was posting about anyways. However, I appreciate the bulwark links and do agree. He made it all sound reasonable. That’s the point of debating. Present your case in an articulate poignant fashion. IMO, Vance did that. Walz did not.

So you like your lies presented in a slick fashion?

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

So you like your lies presented in a slick fashion?

And you like yours presented as word salad? Served up by chef “knucklehead”?

 

[lovinthehd]

And you like yours presented as word salad? Served up by chef “knucklehead”?

Drumphy has the best word salads, and chief knucklehead is about right.

 

[Dude#1279435]

I can definitely see how it sounded like that. But what he did in response was really very good. He made his point very clearly. All while being talked over and shooed on. To me that was like, oh I have to shut him up before he makes a good point. I mean, it was a debate. Right?

From the guy who said Haitians are eating cats, or election '20 denial?

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

From the guy who said Haitians are eating cats, or election '20 denial?

Ummmm. Wasn’t that his boss that said that?

 

[Dude#1279435]

Ummmm. Wasn’t that his boss that said that?

Yes, but Vance refused to acknowledge they were false.

 

[Dude#1279435]

A favorite quote from the Doral resort incident....

"Next G7 at Obama Towers, a wholly owned hotel of Obama, Inc. GOP erupts in applause and approval." Lindsay Graham quoted as saying, "Obama is just so gosh darn proud of those towers. I'm so happy for him." Sean Hannity tweets out his approval and excitement for Obama's wholly owned hotel to be hosting official government events.

 

[lovinthehd]

A favorite quote from the Doral resort incident....

"Next G7 at Obama Towers, a wholly owned hotel of Obama, Inc. GOP erupts in applause and approval." Lindsay Graham quoted as saying, "Obama is just so gosh darn proud of those towers. I'm so happy for him." Sean Hannity tweets out his approval and excitement for Obama's wholly owned hotel to be hosting official government events.

LOL the wave of imagined indignation is palpable.

 

[David_Alexander]

Ummmm. Wasn’t that his boss that said that?

Which one would you vote for? The liar, or the liars apprentice.

 

[lovinthehd]

Which one would you vote for? The liar, or the liars apprentice.

Talk about the lesser of two evils.

 

[Dude#1279435]

LOL the wave of imagined indignation is palpable.

Some more with replies. Love the bizarre one on the Constitution LOL....


I agree, I like how he purposely didn't read the WHOLE clause... Leaving out the part of "without the Consent of the Congress." Wish people would read the constitution themselves instead of being sheep to the media.

he didn't get consent from congress tho

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This was just an attempt to use taxpayer money to renovate his failing Doral.

What's so wrong with that? Get over it.

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We did not vote in Trump as President just for him to act cowardly when faced with the a challenge from the Constitution. He should fight the Dems over this who are trying to enforce the Constitution on him.

 

[Dude#1279435]

From the vault LOL....probably the best quote IMO....


Why not Camp David? Because the president doesn't own it.

Because the president can't use taxpayer money to renovate and upgrade his personal property unless conducting official government business there.

It's simple grift. Easy to understand, easy to see why it should not be allowed.

But hey, it's your guy. Cognitive dissonance wins again.

Defend it, if you can.

 

[Trell]

Ummmm. Wasn’t that his boss that said that?

Vance did too. Emphasis added by me:

>>>...Vance, who represents Ohio in the U.S. Senate, spread a debunked claim about Haitian migrants living in the city of Springfield, Ohio, on Monday, accusing them of abducting pets and eating them.

The claim, which local police say is baseless, was made by far-right activists, local Republicans and neo-Nazis before being picked up by Vance. A well-known advocate for the Haitian community says she received a wave of racist harassment in the aftermath of Vance's post.

Vance made the claim as part of a political attack against Vice President Harris, the Democratic presidential nominee. On the social media site X, Vance wrote, "Reports now show that people have had their pets abducted and eaten by people who shouldn't be in this country. Where is our border czar?" He was referring to a label Republicans have pinned on Harris, who was tasked by President Biden with working to examine the root causes of migration from Central America. ... <<<

https://www.npr.org/2024/09/10/nx-s1-5107320/jd-vance-springfield-ohio-haitians-pets

 

[highfigh]

I didn't see the debate but it here is one article about it from BBC. Did BBC "nerf" as well?

>>>JD Vance has refused to say whether he thinks Donald Trump lost the 2020 election, and whether he would contest the 2024 vote if Democrats win next month.

The Republican vice-presidential candidate - who has previously said he would have challenged the 2020 result if given the chance - avoided giving answers on both issues during Tuesday night's debate.

In a head-to-head that was largely civilised in tone, he was accused by his Democratic opponent Tim Walz of "a damning non-answer" after sidestepping a question about that result and the Capitol riot on 6 January 2021. ...<<<

Vance refuses to answer whether Trump lost 2020 election

Another less charitable article about Vance's debate with Walz from center-right The Bulkwark:

>>>...Check out some of the positions Vance took during the course of the debate:

• That because Trump is crazy and unpredictable, other countries fear him—which is why Trump is good for foreign policy.
• That climate change is real and protectionism is the best way to combat it.
• That when he said mean things about Trump in the past, it was because the media had lied to him about Trump.
• That Trump governed in a bipartisan manner and “got things done.”
• That Trump saved Obamacare.
• That America has an “epidemic of gun violence.”
• That Republicans need to “earn people’s trust back” on abortion.
• That Trump isn’t a threat to democracy because he did voluntarily leave the White House on January 20, 2021.
• That America needs (1) change and (2) a president who’s done this all before.

I know how that reads on the page, but you’ll have to trust me: He made it all sound reasonable.3

WRT Trump being unpredictable- have you heard "Never fight with a crazy person"?

The US DOES have an epidemic of gun violence- politicians can't bring themselves to admit that people are the problem and if you see what's happening. But saying what needs to be said makes people sad.

GOP needs to earn peoples' trust on everything, if they want more to return to the party.

 

[davidscott]

Vance did too. Emphasis added by me:

>>>...Vance, who represents Ohio in the U.S. Senate, spread a debunked claim about Haitian migrants living in the city of Springfield, Ohio, on Monday, accusing them of abducting pets and eating them.

The claim, which local police say is baseless, was made by far-right activists, local Republicans and neo-Nazis before being picked up by Vance. A well-known advocate for the Haitian community says she received a wave of racist harassment in the aftermath of Vance's post.

Vance made the claim as part of a political attack against Vice President Harris, the Democratic presidential nominee. On the social media site X, Vance wrote, "Reports now show that people have had their pets abducted and eaten by people who shouldn't be in this country. Where is our border czar?" He was referring to a label Republicans have pinned on Harris, who was tasked by President Biden with working to examine the root causes of migration from Central America. ... <<<

https://www.npr.org/2024/09/10/nx-s1-5107320/jd-vance-springfield-ohio-haitians-pets

Just keep repeating a lie and eventually people will believe it. Hitler and now Trump have mastered this. And no I'm not a Harris fan at all but c'mon people Trump tried to overturn an election, stole top secret documents and refused to give them back. Not to mention all of his other crimes. He needs to be in prison. I was so ready to vote for a moderate Republican this year, but I will not vote for a felon.