mtrycrafts Seriously, I have no life. Aug 19, 2004 23,552 0 113 Feb 14, 2025 #4,221 Trell said: ... British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain, called the Munich Agreement "Peace for our time". Click to expand... Did he die before WWII declared? If so, then he meant his lifetime.
Trell said: ... British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain, called the Munich Agreement "Peace for our time". Click to expand... Did he die before WWII declared? If so, then he meant his lifetime.
T trochetier Full Audioholic Sep 10, 2020 451 0 16 Feb 14, 2025 #4,222 I might be in the minority here about Ukraine. EU may be pissed off because Trump and Hegseth essentially cut them off and spoke directly with Putin first. Where were they the last three years? Why didn't they have their own policy? Europe has been playing second fiddle expecting USA to take the lead on every issue even those that directly affects their security starting with NATO and now they get upset? Sorry can't have it both ways. Ukraine war essentially became a forever war when Russian military so dramatically showed off their incompetence in the first ground push - remember when their vehicles ran out gas and there were no resupply? In the meantime we borrowed and spent about $130B in military and other aid to Ukraine. Yes, most of the money was spent in USA but that is still borrowed money for which we are on the hook for the interest - socialization of debt and privatization of profits. I vehemently disagree with Trump on most of his issues but in this case it is time for US to get out Ukraine's war and let Europe handle it on their own if they want to continue to support it. I can almost guarantee they will not. Finally on the Russia's military has proven to be tissue paper bear. NATO and US leadership made sense after WW2 when Europe was broken. Now EU is nearly as big an economy as us, time for them to take the lead of their own defense, we should be in the background and step in only if any war in Europe starts to go sideways.
I might be in the minority here about Ukraine. EU may be pissed off because Trump and Hegseth essentially cut them off and spoke directly with Putin first. Where were they the last three years? Why didn't they have their own policy? Europe has been playing second fiddle expecting USA to take the lead on every issue even those that directly affects their security starting with NATO and now they get upset? Sorry can't have it both ways. Ukraine war essentially became a forever war when Russian military so dramatically showed off their incompetence in the first ground push - remember when their vehicles ran out gas and there were no resupply? In the meantime we borrowed and spent about $130B in military and other aid to Ukraine. Yes, most of the money was spent in USA but that is still borrowed money for which we are on the hook for the interest - socialization of debt and privatization of profits. I vehemently disagree with Trump on most of his issues but in this case it is time for US to get out Ukraine's war and let Europe handle it on their own if they want to continue to support it. I can almost guarantee they will not. Finally on the Russia's military has proven to be tissue paper bear. NATO and US leadership made sense after WW2 when Europe was broken. Now EU is nearly as big an economy as us, time for them to take the lead of their own defense, we should be in the background and step in only if any war in Europe starts to go sideways.
T trochetier Full Audioholic Sep 10, 2020 451 0 16 Feb 14, 2025 #4,223 Pausing Foreign Corrupt Practices Act Enforcement to Further American Economic and National Security By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered: Section 1. Purpose www.whitehouse.gov Let the bribery, chicanery, dishonesty begin! Other countries are much better at it than us - we are sure to lose. Reactions: mtrycrafts
Pausing Foreign Corrupt Practices Act Enforcement to Further American Economic and National Security By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, it is hereby ordered: Section 1. Purpose www.whitehouse.gov Let the bribery, chicanery, dishonesty begin! Other countries are much better at it than us - we are sure to lose.
D Dude#1279435 Audioholic Warlord Oct 31, 2020 9,546 0 36 Feb 15, 2025 #4,224 Dubya: Oh dear. I better go over and shake his hand. Maybe just walk by and pretend to look at him. Reactions: mtrycrafts
Trell Audioholic Spartan Dec 12, 2018 7,073 0 63 ::1 Feb 15, 2025 #4,225 mtrycrafts said: Did he die before WWII declared? If so, then he meant his lifetime. Click to expand... If he hadn't been so appeasing towards Hitler in 1938 perhaps he could have avoided to declare war on Nazi Germany in 1939. Similarly we should not appease Putin either and reward his invasion of other countries with the goal to re-establish the Soviet Union. Last edited: Feb 15, 2025 Reactions: mtrycrafts
mtrycrafts said: Did he die before WWII declared? If so, then he meant his lifetime. Click to expand... If he hadn't been so appeasing towards Hitler in 1938 perhaps he could have avoided to declare war on Nazi Germany in 1939. Similarly we should not appease Putin either and reward his invasion of other countries with the goal to re-establish the Soviet Union.
mtrycrafts Seriously, I have no life. Aug 19, 2004 23,552 0 113 Feb 15, 2025 #4,226 Trell said: If he hadn't been so appeasing towards Hitler in 1938 perhaps he could have avoided to declare war on Nazi Germany in 1939. Similarly we should not appease Putin either and reward his invasion of other countries with the goal to re-establish the Soviet Union. Click to expand... So, he didn't die but went back on his words and declared war. I cannot keep up with all of history Absolutely right on not appeasing Putin but for lovers it is hard to do. If not at all.
Trell said: If he hadn't been so appeasing towards Hitler in 1938 perhaps he could have avoided to declare war on Nazi Germany in 1939. Similarly we should not appease Putin either and reward his invasion of other countries with the goal to re-establish the Soviet Union. Click to expand... So, he didn't die but went back on his words and declared war. I cannot keep up with all of history Absolutely right on not appeasing Putin but for lovers it is hard to do. If not at all.
haraldo Audioholic Warlord Feb 25, 2008 7,916 0 113 63 Endor Feb 15, 2025 #4,227 What a triumph journey for JD Vance to Munich Security Conference ..... he really knows how to make allies and create win-win situations Last edited: Feb 15, 2025 Reactions: mtrycrafts and Trell
What a triumph journey for JD Vance to Munich Security Conference ..... he really knows how to make allies and create win-win situations
Trell Audioholic Spartan Dec 12, 2018 7,073 0 63 ::1 Feb 15, 2025 #4,235 haraldo said: What a triumph journey for JD Vance to Munich Security Conference ..... he really knows how to make allies and create win-win situations Click to expand... Here's one (presumed) response: >>French President Emmanuel Macron is convening European leaders for an emergency summit in Paris on Monday.<< Macron calls emergency European summit on Trump, Polish minister says It was not immediately clear which European leaders would be invited to the emergency meeting. www.politico.eu Reactions: mtrycrafts and haraldo
haraldo said: What a triumph journey for JD Vance to Munich Security Conference ..... he really knows how to make allies and create win-win situations Click to expand... Here's one (presumed) response: >>French President Emmanuel Macron is convening European leaders for an emergency summit in Paris on Monday.<< Macron calls emergency European summit on Trump, Polish minister says It was not immediately clear which European leaders would be invited to the emergency meeting. www.politico.eu
haraldo Audioholic Warlord Feb 25, 2008 7,916 0 113 63 Endor Feb 15, 2025 #4,236 Zelenskyy suggests a common European set of armed forces, potentially not trusting USA armed forces to do anything else than what serves themselves ..... Clearly Trump and Vance... I would suggest have no idea on the global security situation and implications of what they do Reactions: Verdinut and Trell
Zelenskyy suggests a common European set of armed forces, potentially not trusting USA armed forces to do anything else than what serves themselves ..... Clearly Trump and Vance... I would suggest have no idea on the global security situation and implications of what they do
Trell Audioholic Spartan Dec 12, 2018 7,073 0 63 ::1 Feb 15, 2025 #4,237 haraldo said: Zelenskyy suggests a common European set of armed forces, potentially not trusting USA armed forces to do anything else than what serves themselves ..... Click to expand... Yup, I saw that, and that is something some countries (notably France) has argued for for some time. I believe this will gain more traction inside EU. Along with this is rebuilding weapons industry to become much more independent of USA. >>>European leaders should create a European army in response to Russia's military build-up, Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said Saturday. "I really believe that the time has come that the armed forces of Europe must be created," Zelenskyy said in a speech at the Munich Security Conference. "Let's be honest, now we can't rule out that America might say 'no' to Europe on issues that might threaten it." ...<<< Zelenskyy: ‘The time has come’ for a European army Despite talk of a peace agreement, Russia is continuing to wage war against Ukraine. www.politico.eu haraldo said: Clearly Trump and Vance... I would suggest have no idea on the global security situation and implications of what they do Click to expand... Completely agree. Reactions: haraldo
haraldo said: Zelenskyy suggests a common European set of armed forces, potentially not trusting USA armed forces to do anything else than what serves themselves ..... Click to expand... Yup, I saw that, and that is something some countries (notably France) has argued for for some time. I believe this will gain more traction inside EU. Along with this is rebuilding weapons industry to become much more independent of USA. >>>European leaders should create a European army in response to Russia's military build-up, Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said Saturday. "I really believe that the time has come that the armed forces of Europe must be created," Zelenskyy said in a speech at the Munich Security Conference. "Let's be honest, now we can't rule out that America might say 'no' to Europe on issues that might threaten it." ...<<< Zelenskyy: ‘The time has come’ for a European army Despite talk of a peace agreement, Russia is continuing to wage war against Ukraine. www.politico.eu haraldo said: Clearly Trump and Vance... I would suggest have no idea on the global security situation and implications of what they do Click to expand... Completely agree.
T trochetier Full Audioholic Sep 10, 2020 451 0 16 Feb 15, 2025 #4,238 Trell said: If he hadn't been so appeasing towards Hitler in 1938 perhaps he could have avoided to declare war on Nazi Germany in 1939. Similarly we should not appease Putin either and reward his invasion of other countries with the goal to re-establish the Soviet Union. Click to expand... Perhaps- that's a conjecture. What what happens when we invade a country (Iraq) under false pretenses? Or want to annex Canada, and Greenland?
Trell said: If he hadn't been so appeasing towards Hitler in 1938 perhaps he could have avoided to declare war on Nazi Germany in 1939. Similarly we should not appease Putin either and reward his invasion of other countries with the goal to re-establish the Soviet Union. Click to expand... Perhaps- that's a conjecture. What what happens when we invade a country (Iraq) under false pretenses? Or want to annex Canada, and Greenland?
mtrycrafts Seriously, I have no life. Aug 19, 2004 23,552 0 113 Feb 15, 2025 #4,239 haraldo said: ... Clearly Trump and Vance... I would suggest have no idea on the global security situation and implications of what they do Click to expand... They really don't care. Trump is kompromised. Vance is, well, you know .... Reactions: haraldo
haraldo said: ... Clearly Trump and Vance... I would suggest have no idea on the global security situation and implications of what they do Click to expand... They really don't care. Trump is kompromised. Vance is, well, you know ....
H highfigh Seriously, I have no life. Sep 14, 2008 24,221 0 113 Feb 15, 2025 #4,240 Mikado463 said: all kidding aside, The Gulf of Mexico if re-named should be called, 'The Gulf of the America's', seems apropos...... Click to expand... That actually sounds reasonable.
Mikado463 said: all kidding aside, The Gulf of Mexico if re-named should be called, 'The Gulf of the America's', seems apropos...... Click to expand... That actually sounds reasonable.
