New bookself speakers dont play good enouph

[Pogre]

Kind of odd for a 3.1 setup for Audyssey to set each of the speakers to those levels....have you tried re-running Audyssey at least once? What are the sensitivity ratings of your speakers?

He has the left one in a corner and an open doorway or hall directly beside/behind the one on the right. Could that account for the leveling being so different?

 

[lovinthehd]

He has the left one in a corner and an open doorway or hall directly beside/behind the one on the right. Could that account for the leveling being so different?

Could be. Sitting right up against the wall isn't so hot either. Why lay the L/R speakers down?

 

[killbill13]

https://www.cambridgeaudio.com/en/blog/test-your-speakers-cambridge-audio-engineer

 

[killbill13]

First post updated with a 3rd new picture for better view. Just posted.

 

[ryanosaur]

https://www.cambridgeaudio.com/en/blog/test-your-speakers-cambridge-audio-engineer

Good article, I read that when I was shopping speakers last year.

 

[killbill13]

Anything wrong with this info guys? Can you check all plz? I am playing thru heos, not bluetooth or tv. Tv is just for info i can close it even.
Why pcm?

 

[Grandzoltar]

You have eco on. Turn it off. With eco on you limit the power for your speakers. Secondly turn off dynamic volume. You don’t want to compress the dynamic range for music. Dynamic volume is mainly for low level listening at night to bring the quiet passages up.

 

[Pogre]

You have eco on. Turn it off. With eco on you limit the power for your speakers. Secondly turn off dynamic volume. You don’t want to compress the dynamic range for music. Dynamic volume is mainly for low level listening at night to bring the quiet passages up.

Definitely turn dynamic volume off. That explains a bit right there. Trying to get it to play better at louder volumes is the opposite of what dynamic volume does! I never turn that on.

 

[Grandzoltar]

On your remote there are 4 buttons Movie, Music, Game, Pure. Press Music and choose one of those those settings stereo, Dolby surround, Dts-x neural. I like Dolby surround with center spread turned on.

 

[lovinthehd]

While a matter of preference, using the Audyssey "Reference" (or sometimes called "Movie") curve rolls off the highest frequencies a bit, the Audyssey "Flat" (sometimes called "Music") would leave that alone. https://audyssey.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/212347723-MultEQ-Target-Curves

 

[Grandzoltar]

He has a Marantz and in his picture he posted if you look closely he has the sound mode movie selected and eco on. Like my Denon he has sound mode buttons one of which is labeled music then he can choose stereo Dolby surround dtsx all stereo.

 

[killbill13]

You have eco on. Turn it off. With eco on you limit the power for your speakers. Secondly turn off dynamic volume. You don’t want to compress the dynamic range for music. Dynamic volume is mainly for low level listening at night to bring the quiet passages up.

Definitely turn dynamic volume off. That explains a bit right there. Trying to get it to play better at louder volumes is the opposite of what dynamic volume does! I never turn that on.

Improoved yes, but not that much. I still be able to reach 80 volume at my amp whem i use netflix. At least its some louder now.

 

[killbill13]

On your remote there are 4 buttons Movie, Music, Game, Pure. Press Music and choose one of those those settings stereo, Dolby surround, Dts-x neural. I like Dolby surround with center spread turned on.

İts a round menu, i am not sure each button gives proper setting, it just turns the options,
Whats the best mode for spotify and apple music?

 

[killbill13]

Good article, I read that when I was shopping speakers last year.

İ played this songs at high volumes and the sound was clear. İ just raised the crossover from 80 to 90. İ had clarity, just some little screaming at high volume. İts like the speaker is screaming slightly

 

[Pogre]

İ played this songs at high volumes and the sound was clear. İ just raised the crossover from 80 to 90. İ had clarity, just some little screaming at high volume. İts like the speaker is screaming slightly

Try a higher crossover setting. Also, did you raise your speakers higher? It seems like every time we help you solve a problem you come up with another one. At this point I'm beginning to think you need a new subwoofer AND a better set of speakers.

The language barrier isn't helping much either. I can't tell if you're saying that your speakers are breaking up at higher volumes or what. Judging by the fact that you had dynamic volume turned on without understanding what it does, I'm beginning to wonder what other settings you've played with that might be throwing things off as well.

Lastly, you've been given a ton of advice, half of which you seem to be dismissing (we suggest raising your speakers and you come back with a link to a Web page with test songs on it...). You really should try everything we suggest before coming back to us with more problems. Just the way you have your speakers placed creates a lot of issues with sound quality by itself.

 

[killbill13]

Try a higher crossover setting. Also, did you raise your speakers higher? It seems like every time we help you solve a problem you come up with another one. At this point I'm beginning to think you need a new subwoofer AND a better set of speakers.

The language barrier isn't helping much either. I can't tell if you're saying that your speakers are breaking up at higher volumes or what. Judging by the fact that you had dynamic volume turned on without understanding what it does, I'm beginning to wonder what other settings you've played with that might be throwing things off as well.

Lastly, you've been given a ton of advice, half of which you seem to be dismissing (we suggest raising your speakers and you come back with a link to a Web page with test songs on it...). You really should try everything we suggest before coming back to us with more problems. Just the way you have your speakers placed creates a lot of issues with sound quality by itself.

I just bought this speakers 2 months ago.
Yes i raised the speakers. I had a lot of comments to say and i forgot.
I raised the left and right speaker 25cm with books. And it didnt help, the music lost its depth. We are loosing the allign with the center speaker i guess. But i didnt run audyssey before the new highness, i stayed with the last audyssey.

I didnt try your carpet but i will in a month when it will be colder. Do i need a specific one like yours or any kind of carpet does the job?

So. I raised the crossover to 90 i will try 100, the good audio songs from cambridge audio dissapear the mudd and maybe the crossover to 90, i still have to raise the sound to 70 or 80 to have loud music. I have some clarity at lower volumes at 75 and lower. And no mudd.
If i didnt have this “power issues” i could say i like the musical tone that my speakers have, and my applifier adds also. To mention some good points too.

Also, at high volumes i think i am not sure i hear a little screaming. The speaker looses its character maybe.
How this size of bookself speakers are playing loud? Like polk audio S15e? But not as surround, as left and right. We can find someone here.

Too many settings its frustrating, if you can think something else. Check my audyssey pics maybe.

 

[Grandzoltar]

Turn off eco mode

 

[Pogre]

I just bought this speakers 2 months ago.
Yes i raised the speakers. I had a lot of comments to say and i forgot.
I raised the left and right speaker 25cm with books. And it didnt help, the music lost its depth. We are loosing the allign with the center speaker i guess. But i didnt run audyssey before the new highness, i stayed with the last audyssey.

I didnt try your carpet but i will in a month when it will be colder. Do i need a specific one like yours or any kind of carpet does the job?

So. I raised the crossover to 90 i will try 100, the good audio songs from cambridge audio dissapear the mudd and maybe the crossover to 90, i still have to raise the sound to 70 or 80 to have loud music. I have some clarity at lower volumes at 75 and lower. And no mudd.
If i didnt have this “power issues” i could say i like the musical tone that my speakers have, and my applifier adds also. To mention some good points too.

Also, at high volumes i think i am not sure i hear a little screaming. The speaker looses its character maybe.
How this size of bookself speakers are playing loud? Like polk audio S15e? But not as surround, as left and right. We can find someone here.

Too many settings its frustrating, if you can think something else. Check my audyssey pics maybe.

I think you need to move some stuff around and reconsider where and how you're set up. You can get speakers that will play louder, but you're still going to have issues with sound quality if they're positioned so low and close together. There's also the issue of your settings and what you have on, off, adjusted, etc...

Any time you move stuff around you should run an audyssey setup again or it's most likely not going to sound right. How about a better pic of your whole room? Do you have any flexibility where you can move stuff around a little more? I suggested trying a heavy blanket in front of your system instead of a rug, just to see if it helps. If it does, then you know a rug would help too.

Also, I'm unconvinced of your commitment to giving some of these suggestions a fair shake. You've got 2 threads here now with lots of advice and it seems like no progress has been made at all. There's not any one thing that's going to give you a sudden big improvement. It's going to be the combination of those things together that might help. The rug or blanket, raise the speakers up to ear height, spread them a little further apart, run Audyssey again, so on and so forth. Do you have a couple of chairs in your kitchen or something you could set the speakers on that will get the tweeters closer to ear height and be easy to move around for experimenting?

Try and place your speakers as we suggest, even if it "looks ugly", and see if it sounds better. You don't have to keep it that way, but that should give you an idea of how much moving things around can help. Plus you'll know how good it can sound if set up properly. Make a triangle with you and your speakers, like the chart I posted earlier, make sure they're at ear height and give a listen. You just might need to make some sacrifices and optimize what you have, or you might want to look at new speakers.

If I were you I'd be looking at some way to relocate the whole setup and find a way to place everything in a way that works, but that's me. I really want my stuff to sound nice so I planned my whole living room around my system. I like the look of my equipment tho, big speakers and all. Some better pics of your room and how things are laid out would be helpful too.

 

[afterlife2]

Look at my setup closely, especially the center speaker. Try it out since we almost have the same type of setup:
https://forums.audioholics.com/forums/threads/afterlife2s-setup-finally-brace-yourself-and-always-thankful-to-my-audioholics-friends.84763/page-8#post-1335772

 

[Pogre]

Look at my setup closely, especially the center speaker. Try it out since we almost have the same type of setup:
https://forums.audioholics.com/forums/threads/afterlife2s-setup-finally-brace-yourself-and-always-thankful-to-my-audioholics-friends.84763/page-8#post-1335772

Yes! That looks better. I have those same tv trays, lol. Now that I see yours I guess kitchen chairs wouldn't cut it.
Point is, tweeters are ear height and they make a triangle where you sit. Some actual effort was put into the way you set it up so it can sound its best in your environment.

@killbill13, put a little effort into placement and really try to set up to sound nice. I say get them off that tv stand altogether and raise them up.