Alex2507 Audioholic Slumlord Jan 17, 2026 #41 lovinthehd said: hopefully BJC has shown to be consistently honest? Click to expand... jinjuku said: When I've ordered there is a Fluke certification report included. Click to expand... Right, it's like a report card showing graph like results. Our internet was slow in our condo and SWMBO needed as good a connection as possible for a work from home deal during CoViD. I spent the extra for BJC before BSA talked me into saving my money in the future but my confidence in pretty much anything BJC is high. Plus their articles on various cable topics make getting past BS marketing claims easier on my wallet.
lovinthehd said: hopefully BJC has shown to be consistently honest? Click to expand... jinjuku said: When I've ordered there is a Fluke certification report included. Click to expand... Right, it's like a report card showing graph like results. Our internet was slow in our condo and SWMBO needed as good a connection as possible for a work from home deal during CoViD. I spent the extra for BJC before BSA talked me into saving my money in the future but my confidence in pretty much anything BJC is high. Plus their articles on various cable topics make getting past BS marketing claims easier on my wallet.
H highfigh Seriously, I have no life. Jan 18, 2026 #42 jinjuku said: When I've ordered there is a Fluke certification report included. Panduit and Tripp-lite handle it a bit differently. They guarantee their cables will pass spec and replace it if they don't. Click to expand... Have you seen cable (bulk) fail? What do you buy, pre-made or boxes/rolls? Do you strip off some of the end at the start of a roll or box? I just had a pre-made cable fail- not sure why, since it has absolutely no signs of damage.
jinjuku said: When I've ordered there is a Fluke certification report included. Panduit and Tripp-lite handle it a bit differently. They guarantee their cables will pass spec and replace it if they don't. Click to expand... Have you seen cable (bulk) fail? What do you buy, pre-made or boxes/rolls? Do you strip off some of the end at the start of a roll or box? I just had a pre-made cable fail- not sure why, since it has absolutely no signs of damage.
jinjuku Moderator Jan 18, 2026 #43 highfigh said: Have you seen cable (bulk) fail? What do you buy, pre-made or boxes/rolls? Do you strip off some of the end at the start of a roll or box? I just had a pre-made cable fail- not sure why, since it has absolutely no signs of damage. Click to expand... Been at this 30 years. So I've seen about 95% of what is out there to be seen. When I was doing work for a hospital system they had two LV companies. One I would have to go into the switch after installation and things had been running for a week and look for CRC/FCS errors and have them go out and replace the crap, no name, patch they were installing. The other outfit was a bit more expensive in the few % points, but they used Panduit 28AWG (thin) patch and never had a problem. I don't do layer 1 stuff. I just call our low voltage people in and they run and certify. In a pinch I have termination tools.
highfigh said: Have you seen cable (bulk) fail? What do you buy, pre-made or boxes/rolls? Do you strip off some of the end at the start of a roll or box? I just had a pre-made cable fail- not sure why, since it has absolutely no signs of damage. Click to expand... Been at this 30 years. So I've seen about 95% of what is out there to be seen. When I was doing work for a hospital system they had two LV companies. One I would have to go into the switch after installation and things had been running for a week and look for CRC/FCS errors and have them go out and replace the crap, no name, patch they were installing. The other outfit was a bit more expensive in the few % points, but they used Panduit 28AWG (thin) patch and never had a problem. I don't do layer 1 stuff. I just call our low voltage people in and they run and certify. In a pinch I have termination tools.
G Golfx Senior Audioholic Jan 18, 2026 #44 highfigh said: Have you seen cable (bulk) fail? What do you buy, pre-made or boxes/rolls? Do you strip off some of the end at the start of a roll or box? I just had a pre-made cable fail- not sure why, since it has absolutely no signs of damage. Click to expand... Again, the article from Blue Jeans was about meeting specifications—not failing. I am just an individual customer. I do not buy bulk rolls or know who is honest when producing bulk rolls. I just appreciate Blue Jeans because they test/verify—with a certificate of testing—the few network cables I buy.
highfigh said: Have you seen cable (bulk) fail? What do you buy, pre-made or boxes/rolls? Do you strip off some of the end at the start of a roll or box? I just had a pre-made cable fail- not sure why, since it has absolutely no signs of damage. Click to expand... Again, the article from Blue Jeans was about meeting specifications—not failing. I am just an individual customer. I do not buy bulk rolls or know who is honest when producing bulk rolls. I just appreciate Blue Jeans because they test/verify—with a certificate of testing—the few network cables I buy.
lovinthehd Audioholic Jedi Jan 18, 2026 #45 Golfx said: Again, the article from Blue Jeans was about meeting specifications—not failing. I am just an individual customer. I do not buy bulk rolls or know who is honest when producing bulk rolls. I just appreciate Blue Jeans because they test/verify—with a certificate of testing—the few network cables I buy. Click to expand... Then again bulk rolls or are talking about finished/assembled cables?
Golfx said: Again, the article from Blue Jeans was about meeting specifications—not failing. I am just an individual customer. I do not buy bulk rolls or know who is honest when producing bulk rolls. I just appreciate Blue Jeans because they test/verify—with a certificate of testing—the few network cables I buy. Click to expand... Then again bulk rolls or are talking about finished/assembled cables?
H highfigh Seriously, I have no life. Jan 19, 2026 #46 Golfx said: Again, the article from Blue Jeans was about meeting specifications—not failing. I am just an individual customer. I do not buy bulk rolls or know who is honest when producing bulk rolls. I just appreciate Blue Jeans because they test/verify—with a certificate of testing—the few network cables I buy. Click to expand... I get it, but knowing many of the brands of cables & parts Kurt sells and uses for bulk and terminated cables, I trust them even without a certificate. Some sellers, mainly the ones I haven't heard of or read that they sold cable that was rated for in-wall use but it was only based on what was printed on the jacket and not the actual cable construction, I won't use. If I see in trade mags/sites/on a forum that a brand is going downhill, I'll stop using it if I have some but I have seen no bad comments about Blue Jeans cables.
Golfx said: Again, the article from Blue Jeans was about meeting specifications—not failing. I am just an individual customer. I do not buy bulk rolls or know who is honest when producing bulk rolls. I just appreciate Blue Jeans because they test/verify—with a certificate of testing—the few network cables I buy. Click to expand... I get it, but knowing many of the brands of cables & parts Kurt sells and uses for bulk and terminated cables, I trust them even without a certificate. Some sellers, mainly the ones I haven't heard of or read that they sold cable that was rated for in-wall use but it was only based on what was printed on the jacket and not the actual cable construction, I won't use. If I see in trade mags/sites/on a forum that a brand is going downhill, I'll stop using it if I have some but I have seen no bad comments about Blue Jeans cables.
H highfigh Seriously, I have no life. Jan 19, 2026 #47 jinjuku said: Been at this 30 years. So I've seen about 95% of what is out there to be seen. When I was doing work for a hospital system they had two LV companies. One I would have to go into the switch after installation and things had been running for a week and look for CRC/FCS errors and have them go out and replace the crap, no name, patch they were installing. The other outfit was a bit more expensive in the few % points, but they used Panduit 28AWG (thin) patch and never had a problem. I don't do layer 1 stuff. I just call our low voltage people in and they run and certify. In a pinch I have termination tools. Click to expand... You're BICSI certified?
jinjuku said: Been at this 30 years. So I've seen about 95% of what is out there to be seen. When I was doing work for a hospital system they had two LV companies. One I would have to go into the switch after installation and things had been running for a week and look for CRC/FCS errors and have them go out and replace the crap, no name, patch they were installing. The other outfit was a bit more expensive in the few % points, but they used Panduit 28AWG (thin) patch and never had a problem. I don't do layer 1 stuff. I just call our low voltage people in and they run and certify. In a pinch I have termination tools. Click to expand... You're BICSI certified?
jinjuku Moderator Jan 19, 2026 #48 highfigh said: You're BICSI certified? Click to expand... Nope, 3x CCNP, Fortinet NSE 4-7, Aruba Certified Edge Pro, Cradlepoint. Prior life if was MCSE NT 4 through 2012 and Exchange server 5.5-2012.
highfigh said: You're BICSI certified? Click to expand... Nope, 3x CCNP, Fortinet NSE 4-7, Aruba Certified Edge Pro, Cradlepoint. Prior life if was MCSE NT 4 through 2012 and Exchange server 5.5-2012.
H highfigh Seriously, I have no life. Jan 20, 2026 #49 jinjuku said: Nope, 3x CCNP, Fortinet NSE 4-7, Aruba Certified Edge Pro, Cradlepoint. Prior life if was MCSE NT 4 through 2012 and Exchange server 5.5-2012. Click to expand... Do you use the Cradlepoint routers with cellular SIM card?
jinjuku said: Nope, 3x CCNP, Fortinet NSE 4-7, Aruba Certified Edge Pro, Cradlepoint. Prior life if was MCSE NT 4 through 2012 and Exchange server 5.5-2012. Click to expand... Do you use the Cradlepoint routers with cellular SIM card?
jinjuku Moderator Jan 20, 2026 #50 highfigh said: Do you use the Cradlepoint routers with cellular SIM card? Click to expand... Yes. Primarily for all our out of band. We auto-vpn it to our Net Cloud Exchange instance. We split between IP OOBM and then use the USB to 8 Port serial breakout for anything that is mission critical. So in addition to IP OOBM, console OOBM.
highfigh said: Do you use the Cradlepoint routers with cellular SIM card? Click to expand... Yes. Primarily for all our out of band. We auto-vpn it to our Net Cloud Exchange instance. We split between IP OOBM and then use the USB to 8 Port serial breakout for anything that is mission critical. So in addition to IP OOBM, console OOBM.
mtrycrafts Seriously, I have no life. Jan 20, 2026 #51 jinjuku said: When I've ordered there is a Fluke certification report included. Panduit and Tripp-lite handle it a bit differently. They guarantee their cables will pass spec and replace it if they don't. Click to expand... So, the home type consumer would have to find a certified lab that test these cables, send it in for a test at who knows what expense to satisfy that consumer and all they get if it fails the test is a replacement cable? Expensive proposition either way. Last edited: Jan 20, 2026
jinjuku said: When I've ordered there is a Fluke certification report included. Panduit and Tripp-lite handle it a bit differently. They guarantee their cables will pass spec and replace it if they don't. Click to expand... So, the home type consumer would have to find a certified lab that test these cables, send it in for a test at who knows what expense to satisfy that consumer and all they get if it fails the test is a replacement cable? Expensive proposition either way.
jinjuku Moderator Jan 20, 2026 #52 mtrycrafts said: So, the home type consumer would have to find a certified lab that test these cables, send it in for a test at who knows what expense to satisfy that consumer and all they get if it fails the test is a replacement cable? Expensive proposition either way. Click to expand... When you have an installer running 2000 drops, you just order the patch and validate from end to end. That way yo u know your horizontal and the patch are all good to go. They are not consumer facing companies typically. Blue Jeans however is and they give you a certification report.
mtrycrafts said: So, the home type consumer would have to find a certified lab that test these cables, send it in for a test at who knows what expense to satisfy that consumer and all they get if it fails the test is a replacement cable? Expensive proposition either way. Click to expand... When you have an installer running 2000 drops, you just order the patch and validate from end to end. That way yo u know your horizontal and the patch are all good to go. They are not consumer facing companies typically. Blue Jeans however is and they give you a certification report.
