P PENG Audioholic Slumlord Oct 23, 2004 19,797 0 113 Ontario Dec 3, 2012 #141 monkish54 said: Friendship terminated. LOL xD Click to expand... Not if it was an honest friendship. Reactions: monkish54
monkish54 Audioholic General Oct 18, 2011 1,258 0 113 Los Angeles, CA Dec 3, 2012 #142 PENG said: Not if it was an honest friendship. Click to expand... Heavy, man! You should edit your post and say "This aggression will not stand, man!" LAWL I've been on a Lebowski kick lately! I think the best looking speaker (of the speakers I could live with happily) is the TAD R1.
PENG said: Not if it was an honest friendship. Click to expand... Heavy, man! You should edit your post and say "This aggression will not stand, man!" LAWL I've been on a Lebowski kick lately! I think the best looking speaker (of the speakers I could live with happily) is the TAD R1.
AcuDefTechGuy Audioholic Jedi Jul 10, 2007 34,056 0 113 Dec 3, 2012 #143 monkish54 said: I think the best looking speaker (of the speakers I could live with happily) is the TAD R1. Click to expand... I can live with those. But I don't think they look $80K. They look more like $25-30K to me.
monkish54 said: I think the best looking speaker (of the speakers I could live with happily) is the TAD R1. Click to expand... I can live with those. But I don't think they look $80K. They look more like $25-30K to me.
monkish54 Audioholic General Oct 18, 2011 1,258 0 113 Los Angeles, CA Dec 3, 2012 #144 AcuDefTechGuy said: I can live with those. But I don't think they look $80K. They look more like $25-30K to me. Click to expand... Why don't they look 80K? They have a fantastic cabinet an amazing finish (I've seen it in person). I don't think Wilson audio speakers look like they should for their price. They look 80s....not the good 80s....
AcuDefTechGuy said: I can live with those. But I don't think they look $80K. They look more like $25-30K to me. Click to expand... Why don't they look 80K? They have a fantastic cabinet an amazing finish (I've seen it in person). I don't think Wilson audio speakers look like they should for their price. They look 80s....not the good 80s....
AcuDefTechGuy Audioholic Jedi Jul 10, 2007 34,056 0 113 Dec 3, 2012 #145 monkish54 said: Why don't they look 80K? They have a fantastic cabinet an amazing finish (I've seen it in person). I don't think Wilson audio speakers look like they should for their price. They look 80s....not the good 80s.... Click to expand... Yes, the TAD look awesome. None of the ultra-expensive speakers really look that expensive to me. Huge markup IMO. They should not cost more than a Lexus LS/LX. Reactions: monkish54
monkish54 said: Why don't they look 80K? They have a fantastic cabinet an amazing finish (I've seen it in person). I don't think Wilson audio speakers look like they should for their price. They look 80s....not the good 80s.... Click to expand... Yes, the TAD look awesome. None of the ultra-expensive speakers really look that expensive to me. Huge markup IMO. They should not cost more than a Lexus LS/LX.
monkish54 Audioholic General Oct 18, 2011 1,258 0 113 Los Angeles, CA Dec 3, 2012 #146 AcuDefTechGuy said: Yes, the TAD look awesome. None of the ultra-expensive speakers really look that expensive to me. Huge markup IMO. They should not cost more than a Lexus LS/LX. Click to expand... I understand the TAD...the Wilson...no comment. I understand the TAD simply because of the quality of the parts, and the research it took to get there. I don't get Wilson because they make outlandishly priced speakers, and ignore all the perceptual research that's been done in the last X amount of years. I consider it shameful! That cabinet is VERY VERY expensive to produce. It's HUGE, curved, very very very very well braced. Not to mention the The TAD has 11K worth of drivers. Now add all the R&D and a healthy 40% dealer markup. The TAD costs around 20K to build I'd wager. This falls within the markup as I know it. The markup supposedly goes like this: cost * 2.5 = dealer cost. Dealer cost * ~2 = retail. If you do the math the TAD comes out to around 16K. Since the drivers alone are 11, I'd say that sound pretty close to accurate. 16 * 2.5 = 40,000. That's the approximate dealer cost. It's the giant markup that ****s us! I think 50K for a pair of TAD R1 would be a pretty good deal. I mean, it's one of the best loudspeakers in the world, and there are MANY MANY speakers priced MUCH higher with no sonic upgrade. Would I like to see the TAD priced at 10K? F*CK yes, but even the parts cost is more! They should not cost more than a Lexus LS/LX. Click to expand... Not the LFA? xD Last edited: Dec 3, 2012 Reactions: AcuDefTechGuy
AcuDefTechGuy said: Yes, the TAD look awesome. None of the ultra-expensive speakers really look that expensive to me. Huge markup IMO. They should not cost more than a Lexus LS/LX. Click to expand... I understand the TAD...the Wilson...no comment. I understand the TAD simply because of the quality of the parts, and the research it took to get there. I don't get Wilson because they make outlandishly priced speakers, and ignore all the perceptual research that's been done in the last X amount of years. I consider it shameful! That cabinet is VERY VERY expensive to produce. It's HUGE, curved, very very very very well braced. Not to mention the The TAD has 11K worth of drivers. Now add all the R&D and a healthy 40% dealer markup. The TAD costs around 20K to build I'd wager. This falls within the markup as I know it. The markup supposedly goes like this: cost * 2.5 = dealer cost. Dealer cost * ~2 = retail. If you do the math the TAD comes out to around 16K. Since the drivers alone are 11, I'd say that sound pretty close to accurate. 16 * 2.5 = 40,000. That's the approximate dealer cost. It's the giant markup that ****s us! I think 50K for a pair of TAD R1 would be a pretty good deal. I mean, it's one of the best loudspeakers in the world, and there are MANY MANY speakers priced MUCH higher with no sonic upgrade. Would I like to see the TAD priced at 10K? F*CK yes, but even the parts cost is more! They should not cost more than a Lexus LS/LX. Click to expand... Not the LFA? xD
96cobra10101 Senior Audioholic Sep 13, 2010 663 0 16 Dec 3, 2012 #147 AcuDefTechGuy said: Yes, the TAD look awesome. None of the ultra-expensive speakers really look that expensive to me. Huge markup IMO. They should not cost more than a Lexus LS/LX. Click to expand... You have a very impressive line up speakers, whats the most you paid for a pair?
AcuDefTechGuy said: Yes, the TAD look awesome. None of the ultra-expensive speakers really look that expensive to me. Huge markup IMO. They should not cost more than a Lexus LS/LX. Click to expand... You have a very impressive line up speakers, whats the most you paid for a pair?
96cobra10101 Senior Audioholic Sep 13, 2010 663 0 16 Dec 3, 2012 #148 monkish54 said: Not the LFA? xD Click to expand... That cost more than a pretty decent house.
monkish54 Audioholic General Oct 18, 2011 1,258 0 113 Los Angeles, CA Dec 3, 2012 #149 96cobra10101 said: That cost more than a pretty decent house. Click to expand... Not here in LA is doesn't!
96cobra10101 said: That cost more than a pretty decent house. Click to expand... Not here in LA is doesn't!
AcuDefTechGuy Audioholic Jedi Jul 10, 2007 34,056 0 113 Dec 3, 2012 #150 96cobra10101 said: You have a very impressive line up speakers, whats the most you paid for a pair? Click to expand... Paid New: $14K Salon2 x 2 $12K 802D2 x 2 $10K Orion3 x 2 $09K 201/2 x 6
96cobra10101 said: You have a very impressive line up speakers, whats the most you paid for a pair? Click to expand... Paid New: $14K Salon2 x 2 $12K 802D2 x 2 $10K Orion3 x 2 $09K 201/2 x 6
AcuDefTechGuy Audioholic Jedi Jul 10, 2007 34,056 0 113 Dec 3, 2012 #151 So anyway, among cheap speakers I guess the Pioneer Andrew Jones speakers are probably best bang for the buck "accurate" speakers? Infinity P363 @ around $300/pr street prices probably 2nd best bang for buck?
So anyway, among cheap speakers I guess the Pioneer Andrew Jones speakers are probably best bang for the buck "accurate" speakers? Infinity P363 @ around $300/pr street prices probably 2nd best bang for buck?
96cobra10101 Senior Audioholic Sep 13, 2010 663 0 16 Dec 3, 2012 #152 monkish54 said: Not here in LA is doesn't! Click to expand... Do they still play drums at Long Beach on Sunday? Good times.
monkish54 said: Not here in LA is doesn't! Click to expand... Do they still play drums at Long Beach on Sunday? Good times.
96cobra10101 Senior Audioholic Sep 13, 2010 663 0 16 Dec 3, 2012 #153 AcuDefTechGuy said: Paid New: $14K Salon2 x 2 $12K 802D2 x 2 $10K Orion3 x 2 $09K 201/2 x 6 Click to expand... Maybe less than Lexus, but not less than Hyuandai! We all got our vices. Reactions: monkish54
AcuDefTechGuy said: Paid New: $14K Salon2 x 2 $12K 802D2 x 2 $10K Orion3 x 2 $09K 201/2 x 6 Click to expand... Maybe less than Lexus, but not less than Hyuandai! We all got our vices.
monkish54 Audioholic General Oct 18, 2011 1,258 0 113 Los Angeles, CA Dec 3, 2012 #154 AcuDefTechGuy said: So anyway, among cheap speakers I guess the Pioneer Andrew Jones speakers are probably best bang for the buck "accurate" speakers? Click to expand... I like the Pioneers. They are definitely the best value. After the Pioneers, I don't really know what I'd recommend...even up to 1K. I don't like most 1K and below speakers. Most have sub-par designs. I like the Pioneer because they have a decent FR, AND controlled directivity for only $129/$258. Aside from those, most speakers in that price range have high XO points and big cheap drivers resulting in directivity/polar response being a nightmare! Some have smaller drivers (which helps) but they are usually cheap so volume is very limited if the design isn't of high sensitivity. Cambridge has a pretty decent BS speaker for cheap! Infinity P363 @ around $300/pr street prices probably 2nd best bang for buck? Click to expand... I'm not a fan of the p363. I would only recommend them if I was very desperate to come up with something. The Primus does the old "raise the bass and raise the HF" thing. The HF are raised to give a more forward (the true usage) sound. Once people take those home and listen for a while, it will probably get a bit annoying. If anything it will sound "off". I don't like that they did this to increase box store sales. Pioneer made a truly sweet speaker for a similar price, and we recommend them left and right. I'm sure sales are great!! 96cobra10101 said: Do they still play drums at Long Beach on Sunday? Good times. Click to expand... I'm about 2 hours from Long Beach. No idea. 96cobra10101 said: Good times. Click to expand... Only if you were stoned LOL Reactions: KEW
AcuDefTechGuy said: So anyway, among cheap speakers I guess the Pioneer Andrew Jones speakers are probably best bang for the buck "accurate" speakers? Click to expand... I like the Pioneers. They are definitely the best value. After the Pioneers, I don't really know what I'd recommend...even up to 1K. I don't like most 1K and below speakers. Most have sub-par designs. I like the Pioneer because they have a decent FR, AND controlled directivity for only $129/$258. Aside from those, most speakers in that price range have high XO points and big cheap drivers resulting in directivity/polar response being a nightmare! Some have smaller drivers (which helps) but they are usually cheap so volume is very limited if the design isn't of high sensitivity. Cambridge has a pretty decent BS speaker for cheap! Infinity P363 @ around $300/pr street prices probably 2nd best bang for buck? Click to expand... I'm not a fan of the p363. I would only recommend them if I was very desperate to come up with something. The Primus does the old "raise the bass and raise the HF" thing. The HF are raised to give a more forward (the true usage) sound. Once people take those home and listen for a while, it will probably get a bit annoying. If anything it will sound "off". I don't like that they did this to increase box store sales. Pioneer made a truly sweet speaker for a similar price, and we recommend them left and right. I'm sure sales are great!! 96cobra10101 said: Do they still play drums at Long Beach on Sunday? Good times. Click to expand... I'm about 2 hours from Long Beach. No idea. 96cobra10101 said: Good times. Click to expand... Only if you were stoned LOL
AcuDefTechGuy Audioholic Jedi Jul 10, 2007 34,056 0 113 Dec 3, 2012 #155 96cobra10101 said: Maybe less than Lexus, but not less than Hyuandai! We all got our vices. Click to expand... I know. I think guys who spend more than $10K on audio are idiots. Wait..... Reactions: monkish54
96cobra10101 said: Maybe less than Lexus, but not less than Hyuandai! We all got our vices. Click to expand... I know. I think guys who spend more than $10K on audio are idiots. Wait.....
M monotonous15 Audiophyte Dec 3, 2012 8 0 0 Dec 3, 2012 #156 I'm jumping into this conversation a bit late but... I just ordered a pair of Infinity Primus 363s a few days ago. They are currently in transit and I should have them by Wednesday. I've never had any experience with speakers really. The only ones I've really ever owned were good for loud volumes and that is about it (old dept. store type kabuki style stuff) and I've been itching to upgrade so I bought the P363 due to the price point and reviews. Now the thing that concerns me is that they are advertised as an 8 ohm speaker but this review clearly concluded it as a 4 ohm speaker. I have a Scott 390R receiver that will be powering these speakers. Anyone think this would be a good match or did I mess up?
I'm jumping into this conversation a bit late but... I just ordered a pair of Infinity Primus 363s a few days ago. They are currently in transit and I should have them by Wednesday. I've never had any experience with speakers really. The only ones I've really ever owned were good for loud volumes and that is about it (old dept. store type kabuki style stuff) and I've been itching to upgrade so I bought the P363 due to the price point and reviews. Now the thing that concerns me is that they are advertised as an 8 ohm speaker but this review clearly concluded it as a 4 ohm speaker. I have a Scott 390R receiver that will be powering these speakers. Anyone think this would be a good match or did I mess up?
AcuDefTechGuy Audioholic Jedi Jul 10, 2007 34,056 0 113 Dec 3, 2012 #157 monotonous15 said: I'm jumping into this conversation a bit late but... I just ordered a pair of Infinity Primus 363s a few days ago. They are currently in transit and I should have them by Wednesday. I've never had any experience with speakers really. The only ones I've really ever owned were good for loud volumes and that is about it (old dept. store type kabuki style stuff) and I've been itching to upgrade so I bought the P363 due to the price point and reviews. Now the thing that concerns me is that they are advertised as an 8 ohm speaker but this review clearly concluded it as a 4 ohm speaker. I have a Scott 390R receiver that will be powering these speakers. Anyone think this would be a good match or did I mess up? Click to expand... Sean Olive can answer better than anyone here. But in my experience, I think you'll be fine if it is a real 50wpc or more, like a 50wpc HK AVR. BTW, I think my P362 sound pretty good- not as great as my Revel, B&W, KEF, Orion, etc, but pretty good overall. Last edited: Dec 3, 2012
monotonous15 said: I'm jumping into this conversation a bit late but... I just ordered a pair of Infinity Primus 363s a few days ago. They are currently in transit and I should have them by Wednesday. I've never had any experience with speakers really. The only ones I've really ever owned were good for loud volumes and that is about it (old dept. store type kabuki style stuff) and I've been itching to upgrade so I bought the P363 due to the price point and reviews. Now the thing that concerns me is that they are advertised as an 8 ohm speaker but this review clearly concluded it as a 4 ohm speaker. I have a Scott 390R receiver that will be powering these speakers. Anyone think this would be a good match or did I mess up? Click to expand... Sean Olive can answer better than anyone here. But in my experience, I think you'll be fine if it is a real 50wpc or more, like a 50wpc HK AVR. BTW, I think my P362 sound pretty good- not as great as my Revel, B&W, KEF, Orion, etc, but pretty good overall.
monkish54 Audioholic General Oct 18, 2011 1,258 0 113 Los Angeles, CA Dec 3, 2012 #158 monotonous15 said: I just ordered a pair of Infinity Primus 363s a few days ago. Click to expand... How much did you spend on them, and where did you get them? monotonous15 said: Now the thing that concerns me is that they are advertised as an 8 ohm speaker but this review clearly concluded it as a 4 ohm speaker. I have a Scott 390R receiver that will be powering these speakers. Anyone think this would be a good match or did I mess up? Click to expand... How loud do you listen?
monotonous15 said: I just ordered a pair of Infinity Primus 363s a few days ago. Click to expand... How much did you spend on them, and where did you get them? monotonous15 said: Now the thing that concerns me is that they are advertised as an 8 ohm speaker but this review clearly concluded it as a 4 ohm speaker. I have a Scott 390R receiver that will be powering these speakers. Anyone think this would be a good match or did I mess up? Click to expand... How loud do you listen?
M monotonous15 Audiophyte Dec 3, 2012 8 0 0 Dec 3, 2012 #159 monkish54 said: How much did you spend on them How loud do you listen? Click to expand... I got them at about 50% off. I know there have been better deals in the past but its the holidays and I usually end up making a nice impulse purchase on myself since I restrain myself virtually the rest of the year. I listen anywhere between bedroom levels to loud really. The Scott 390R outputs 120WPC.
monkish54 said: How much did you spend on them How loud do you listen? Click to expand... I got them at about 50% off. I know there have been better deals in the past but its the holidays and I usually end up making a nice impulse purchase on myself since I restrain myself virtually the rest of the year. I listen anywhere between bedroom levels to loud really. The Scott 390R outputs 120WPC.
monkish54 Audioholic General Oct 18, 2011 1,258 0 113 Los Angeles, CA Dec 3, 2012 #160 monotonous15 said: I got them at about 50% off. I know there have been better deals in the past but its the holidays and I usually end up making a nice impulse purchase on myself since I restrain myself virtually the rest of the year. I listen anywhere between bedroom levels to loud really. The Scott 390R outputs 120WPC. Click to expand... Where did you buy them? 50% off is a good deal!! I've read the Scott 390R can handle 4 ohms. I'm not really sure how true that is. You're probably gonna be ok.
monotonous15 said: I got them at about 50% off. I know there have been better deals in the past but its the holidays and I usually end up making a nice impulse purchase on myself since I restrain myself virtually the rest of the year. I listen anywhere between bedroom levels to loud really. The Scott 390R outputs 120WPC. Click to expand... Where did you buy them? 50% off is a good deal!! I've read the Scott 390R can handle 4 ohms. I'm not really sure how true that is. You're probably gonna be ok.
