panteragstk
Audioholic Warlord
We're both mid 30's
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Trell
Audioholic Spartan
OMG, you're toddlers
Trell
Audioholic Spartan
More seriously, did she tell tell you why she did not vote earlier and what has changed since then?
panteragstk
Audioholic Warlord
Neither one of us voted before this election. Well, I did when I turned 18, but that's it.
One of the main reasons is that we live in the reddest of states and felt our vote didn't really matter. It didn't this election either, but I wasn't going to sit this one out. Nor will I again.
Yes, we should have paid better attention in local elections, but this is the first place we've lived that we consider "home". Before it was just where our jobs made us live or where we went to college.
It finally felt like it mattered. Don't know how to explain it better than that.
Ponzio
Audioholic Samurai
Glad to hear you and your wife voted.
The game is rigged, my vote will be cancelled by someone else, I refuse to legitimize the corrupt government (nationally, local & state), I don’t have time, I’m busy and my favorite ... who cares? And yet they will piss & moan at a drop of a hat ad nauseam about their current elected leaders.
As a naturalized citizen, since I was 18, this has always baffled me about my fellow US citizens. It’s taken for granted and a given, like the sun will rise & set, and yet they don’t exercise their franchise.
Sadly I’ve heard this sentiment, all too often, my whole life, and for a myriad of reasons, from rich/poor/black & white and whatnot.
The game is rigged, my vote will be cancelled by someone else, I refuse to legitimize the corrupt government (nationally, local & state), I don’t have time, I’m busy and my favorite ... who cares? And yet they will piss & moan at a drop of a hat ad nauseam about their current elected leaders.
As a naturalized citizen, since I was 18, this has always baffled me about my fellow US citizens. It’s taken for granted and a given, like the sun will rise & set, and yet they don’t exercise their franchise.
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Swerd
Audioholic Warlord
I'm glad you both voted. And it's about time. We've discussed this before, so I won't belabor the point.
Okay, maybe I will. In 1968 the Vietnam War was raging, and I was in college. The nation was torn apart about whether we should be fighting a war on the Asian mainland, defending what was essentially the offspring of a French colonial regime. While I was in school I was deferred from the draft. But because of a national draft lottery, I knew my draft board would come after me when I graduated. They did.
The presidential election in 1968 was Hubert Humphrey vs. Tricky Dixon. Humphrey lost in a very close race. I was unable to vote. And I've never forgotten that. Tricky Dixon had a "secret plan to end the war". Essentially, that plan was to prolong the war 5 years, and end it quickly after he used the war as an excuse to be re-elected in 1972. We all know how that worked out for him. About 2½ years later, he was forced to resign because of imminent impeachment and conviction of the charges.
When that election took place, I was 19 years old, about to become 20 later that month. The national voting age had been 21, but was changed to 18, because of the unpopular war & the draft. However, that change would not take place until Jan 1, 1969. So, I couldn't vote in a very close election – one that had direct impact on my freedom. Since then, I've never missed an opportunity to vote. Does it take an unwanted war and an extremely unpopular draft to get people interested in voting?
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BoredSysAdmin
Audioholic Slumlord
Nah, but approaching WW2 death toll count due to due to government abysmal mismanagement of Covid-19 just might.
Swerd
Audioholic Warlord
I certainly hope so.
davidscott
Audioholic Spartan
Looks like it might take a while to elect a President.
panteragstk
Audioholic Warlord
I wish I could dislike and agree with this comment. I honestly can't and can believe it's this close.Looks like it might take a while to elect a President.
ryanosaur
Audioholic Overlord
Elect... and then determine who will actually be the next...Looks like it might take a while to elect a President.
panteragstk
Audioholic Warlord
The fact that some states can't even start counting mail-in ballots until after the polls close is just asinine. What possible logic could have gotten them to say "yep, best idea ever"?Elect... and then determine who will actually be the next...
Irvrobinson
Audioholic Spartan
This was easily predictable. Biden could have had a landslide win, but he decided to play footsie with Sanders and the other "progressives", and so millions who wouldn't have voted for Trump voted with their financial interests, held their nose, and apparently voted for Trump anyway. But more importantly, it looks like the Republicans are going to retain a majority in the Senate. If the Senate retains a GOP majority after all the votes are counted, it doesn't really matter, policy-wise, if Biden is elected. It would be refreshing to get Trump out of the WH, but this means Biden's entire agenda is out the window. Obamacare expansion, Medicare expansion, tax increases, energy policy, environmental policy, you name it. And the equity markets love it, because as soon as they figured out what was happening in the Senate the stock price futures went up, big time. All of the GOP tax policies will stick. And that continued through the trading day today. And guess which stock when up more (as a percentage) than any other DJIA stock? United Health Group, a big health insurance company. And Merck and Amgen were up there too, because the progressive health care agenda, especially Medicare for All, looks totally dead. (Medicare for All includes price controls on drugs.)Looks like it might take a while to elect a President.
If Trump is elected the House will block everything the GOP tries to do. If Biden is elected the Senate will block everything the Democrats try to do. Businesses generally do better when the government is gridlocked, especially when taxes were lowered previously, so this will be like Obama's second term. Hopefully we'll have Biden in the WH, so we won't look like fools diplomatically, and the Executive branch will show some much-needed leadership. In the meantime I expect a lot of drama about recounts and lawsuits.
mtrycrafts
Seriously, I have no life.
mtrycrafts
Seriously, I have no life.
Understand. But, it is like picking up pennies, every one counts and it will mount to something.
Glad you will continue the newfound habit.
panteragstk
Audioholic Warlord
lovinthehd
Audioholic Jedi
@Irvrobinson posits they're voting with someone's wallet while holding their nose....a lot more than that IMO but that's pretty close for a short and sweet version.
BoredSysAdmin
Audioholic Slumlord
These stocks rose the most Wednesday as investors cheered a divided government following the elections
The Nasdaq Composite Index jumped 3.9%, led by tech and health-care stocks.
www.marketwatch.com
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lp85253
Audioholic Chief
this.. my reaction to trump voters...really ?we're living in trumplandia now .. 4 more years like the last 4? are you kidding me?
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lp85253
Audioholic Chief
or... mayyyybeee... all those commercials about everybody left of donny being socialists were a pile off bullpoopoo...either way it's close to over...i do give donny credit .. i never woulda believed he could drum up an extra 5 million voters.. he's good with a certain crowd... edit .. who's to say medicare for all eliminates health insurance companies?... medicare itself certainly doesn't .. although it does keep insurance companies from dictating the policy. another question... if single payer healthcare(or the option of) is so horrible how come it works more efficiently and with better outcomes in virtually every other 1st world nation... i'm thinking that insurance companies ought to be a secondary concern to outcome .. but i'd love to hear actual evidence to the contrary...
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