Do you think aliens/UFOs exist?

[Buckle-meister]

Have they traveled here to earth and probed us. No.

'aint nobody gonna probe me.

 

[Buckle-meister]

It is true that as far as we know, the speed of light is the fastest there is in this universe. But there are bound to be ways around this barrier. I just cannot fathom that we are meant to be stuck in this little corner of the universe forever.

No way, man. Einstein says no way.

He also didn't believe in Quantum Mechanics, yet to date, no test of the theory has failed.

Regards

 

[JoeE SP9]

I think we first need to get the facts straight. The Milky Way (our Galaxy) is approximately 70,000 light years in diameter and contains about 300 billion stars. The nearest galaxy to ours (Andromeda) is 2.2 million light years away. Andromeda is considered our sister galaxy. There are somewhere around 300 billion known galaxies. That is an awful lot of real estate for human beings to be the only intelligent life in existence.I don't know for sure if we have been visited but there is a very high possibility of other life out there. The sheer numbers of stars in our galaxy let alone the other galaxies make it a high probability. For those whose astronomy comes from Star Wars, a light year (the distance light travels in one year) is about six trillion miles. Our planet is about 93 million miles from the sun and light takes 8.5 minutes to get here from the sun. The universe is a VERY big place. This leaves lots of space for just about anything to occur.

 

[Buckle-meister]

The creators of Loch Ness have confessed yet people believe.

No mtrycrafts, you are most definitely mistaken. Written accounts state how Saint Columba first 'tamed' the beast circa 563. This was quite some time before the video footage to which I believe you refer.

Regards

 

[Pat D]

Please tell me then what they do describe then.

The color of Uranus cannot be detected with the naked eye though.

These were a very educated bunch of people. What they wrote down may appear as myth to us, but based in their reality (time) it could very well be fact.

"They" describe or deal with lots of things. You are too vague.

You really should check out some standard reference works on the Bible, for example, such as Buttrick, ed., The Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible, or McKenzie's Dictionary of the Bible, and the commentaries in the Anchor Bible.

 

[Buckeyefan 1]

He also didn't believe in Quantum Mechanics, yet to date, no test of the theory has failed.

Regards

Einstein wasn't a philosopher. There's very little acceptance among physicists an philosophers on what the world is like according to quantum mechanics.

A theory is a theory, and that's that. I'm sure you can come up with a theory that won't fail. It doesn't mean it's correct. What are the results of the tests run on the theory of God's existance?

 

[furrycute]

A theory is a theory, and that's that. I'm sure you can come up with a theory that won't fail. It doesn't mean it's correct. What are the results of the tests run on the theory of God's existance?

So is the theory of relativity, which postulates that the speed of light is the fastest speed in the universe (if I still remember my high school physics correctly, but someone please point out if I am mistaken). But that doesn't detract from the theory of relativity's validity, since it has been proven over and over again.

The same logic also applies to the theory of quantum mechanics.

If a theory withstands numerous experimental testing, then it is generally accepted to be true, until proven otherwise.




If you want to device a "theory" proving the existence of God, I'm sure you can come up with ways of validating that hypothesis. Since the history painted in the bible is filled with miracles, which are supposed acts of divine intervention, I am sure you can test to see if prayers will indeed result in miracles. But as to the time frame of your test, that is uncertain at the present moment. Anyway, just one example on how you can test the "theory" of God's existence.

 

[algernon]

I think it would be highly improbable that life does not exist elsewhere in the universe. Statistically, considering the size of the universe and the relative abundance of elements that create life, I think it is all over the place. Sagan addresses this in Cosmos, and there are some compelling arguments.

Also, the speed of light need not be a barrier to travel to distant places. It would just not be linear travel. All modern Sci Fi addresses this. Travel is via wormholes, warp/hyper space, etc, all methods to bend or fold time/space to decrease the distances required to travel.

as you can tell, I am a fan the sci-fi genre.

 

[mtrycrafts]

What exactly do you have a problem with in the books? Have you read them? My guess is no. According to Sumerian texts, Biblical text, Akkadian and Babylonian texts, when read literally, explain contact with extraterrestrial "Gods". I am in no way saying that this is fact, but it does pose an interesting viewpoint.

No, I didn't read any of those books, no need to. It is an interesting viewpoint, yes, but that is all it is.
I'd like to see some real experts on this subject though. Daniken is not one.

The Sumerians knew Pluto exsisted 6000 years ago, whilst modern "science" did not recognize it until 1930. Who did they get their information from?

Or did they get anything? Again, I'd rather consult better sources for any of this.



Sometimes looking to the past, can help define the future.

Yes, but we need to be sure of what we are looking for in th epast and what it is, factual, or selling books. I think the latter, but, I have been know to be wrong, from time to time

Like others have stated, sometimes Science or the modern concensus can be wrong,


Consensus alone is not enough today or in the past.


In our Galaxy alone, there could literally be thousands of systems capable of supporting life like our own.

I cannot deny that.

Mtrycrafts,

This is not a personal attack or jest at you, just some points to consider.

Never from you, I know you well enough here

 

[mtrycrafts]

I think we first need to get the facts straight. The Milky Way (our Galaxy) is approximately 70,000 light years in diameter and contains about 300 billion stars. The nearest galaxy to ours (Andromeda) is 2.2 million light years away. Andromeda is considered our sister galaxy. There are somewhere around 300 billion known galaxies. That is an awful lot of real estate for human beings to be the only intelligent life in existence.I don't know for sure if we have been visited but there is a very high possibility of other life out there. The sheer numbers of stars in our galaxy let alone the other galaxies make it a high probability. For those whose astronomy comes from Star Wars, a light year (the distance light travels in one year) is about six trillion miles. Our planet is about 93 million miles from the sun and light takes 8.5 minutes to get here from the sun. The universe is a VERY big place. This leaves lots of space for just about anything to occur.

We agree I'd like to see real evidence for visitation on this planet though, not accept any hair brained idea or excuse for lack of evidence: dog ate the implant, I will get it to you, never to be heard from again , etc.

there just never seems to be evidence.

 

[mtrycrafts]

Einstein wasn't a philosopher. There's very little acceptance among physicists an philosophers on what the world is like according to quantum mechanics.

A theory is a theory, and that's that. I'm sure you can come up with a theory that won't fail. It doesn't mean it's correct. What are the results of the tests run on the theory of God's existance?

I thought a scientific theory has to be based on evidence, not just from a postulate, hypothesis?
So, how can there be a scientific theory about God's existance?
Oh, a theory used by non scientists, a guess, you mean

 

[mtrycrafts]

No mtrycrafts, you are most definitely mistaken. Written accounts state how Saint Columba first 'tamed' the beast circa 563. This was quite some time before the video footage to which I believe you refer.

Regards

Yes, I was referring to the video account of Nessie No, I didn't know about that early encounter. It must be right though if written by a saint

 

[mtrycrafts]

maybe you will think twice?

Tens of thousands of byproducts from space exploration to date. Books are written on this. Even though I didn't read them or verified the veracity of its contents

Maybe he needs to think three times

 

[mtrycrafts]

Maybe I miss worded what I said. Sure there have been benefits from technology made to go into space and stuff like that, but as far as going into space, landing on the moon, taking pictures with the hubble telescope, mars rover, etc, what has the real impact, not side impact, of those things been. If the point of going into space is you make technology for space stuff then it gets used on earth, seems you could skip the whole going into space and save several billion per launch.

why didn't the early explorers just stay put in Europe and elsewhere? What was their real benefit?
What sets us apart from animals? Quest for knowledge? Exploration of knowledge? Benefit?

Space is the final frontier, for now. Maybe time after that?

 

[mtrycrafts]

What about this angle? Maybe there really is someone/thing there, but no one in power will admit it due to the potential fallout. I.E. religious rebellion, mass suicide, potential world war.

Because of those reasons, it may be thought necessary to keep it under wraps and secretly establish contact, right under the nose of the people without them knowing. This is a conspiracy theory, obviously, but one can see it's relevance, correct?

Maybe that is the reason for the fervor of the space program?

Or, just it is in the human genome to explore?

 

[Buckle-meister]

Yes, I was referring to the video account of Nessie No, I didn't know about that early encounter. It must be right though if written by a saint

For anybody out there interested, Saint Columba was exiled from his native homeland of Ireland, is credited as having had a key role in bringing Christianity to Scotland, and, after enquiring as to the manner of death of someone by the side of the river Ness (at the Eastern end of Loch Ness), was told by the locals...

"They had seen a water beast snatch him and maul him savagely as he was swimming..."

Columba himself needed to cross the river, so he asked a man to fetch the small boat they had recovered the body of the dead man with, at the waters edge...

"But the beast was lying low on the riverbed. It could sense that the water above was stirred by the swimmer and suddenly swam up to the surface, rushing open-mouthed with a great roar towards the man as he was swimming mid-stream. All the bystanders...froze in terror, but the blessed man [as Columba was known], looking on, raised his holy hand, made the sign of the cross in the air and, invoking the name of God, he commanded the fierce beast, saying; "Go no further. Do not touch the man. Go back at once""

What happened next?...

"At the sound of the Saint's voice, the beast fled in terror so fast, one might have thought it was pulled back by ropes."

Voilla!

Regards

 

[annunaki]

"They" describe or deal with lots of things. You are too vague.

You really should check out some standard reference works on the Bible, for example, such as Buttrick, ed., The Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible, or McKenzie's Dictionary of the Bible, and the commentaries in the Anchor Bible.

I'm vague


Which version of the bible are they refrencing. The sources I am checking are from the original Hebrew, which stems from Akkadian.

 

[Rock&Roll Ninja]

Regarding the speed of light - But there are bound to be ways around this barrier.

well getting matter to move faster than something without detectable mass would require a suprahuman (ie. Alien) technology. As it is, interplanetray travel would require, at minimum, several centuries for the closest stars.

No government is going to send warships to other planets, hoping they have something to cconquer or plunder, knowing that the ships will be staffed by people who fully intend to have kids, die, watch kids grow up, have more kids, watch them grow old & die, and then maybe actually be somewhere, all the while worrying the spaceship is going to run out of Funyuns or air scuttling the whole project.

Most of the UFOs are just classified military aircraft that doesn'ty exist. The Blackbird was considered sci-fi in 1962, imagine what the AirForce can build with modern computer modeling.

This leaves us with 3 viable "aliens"

1. Those who have mastered the "wormhole", or a way of bending space, to allow travel to distances faster than light in a sraight line. This was covered in the movie Event Horizon, and was the basis for Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.

2. Aliens are earthlings from the future! Big heads, small bodies, and freakish technology certainly fit the mold of (probable) contnued evolution. Once we get genetic engineering down we should have big heads & giant brains by the twenty-third century. Factor in the technology growth spurt (multiplied by even more people building stuff), and the visitors in UFO's are likely just publishers researching a history book (history pill?).

3. There are no UFOs, You're as f*cked-up as a football bat. stop huffing spraypaint and get back to work hophead!

 

[Buckle-meister]

Once we get genetic engineering down we should have big heads & giant brains by the twenty-third century.

What about Buck Rogers? He didn't have a big head.

...so far as Wilma knew...

biddy-biddy-biddy Buck. You da man!!!

Regards

 

[Pat D]

I'm vague


Which version of the bible are they refrencing. The sources I am checking are from the original Hebrew, which stems from Akkadian.

The very fact you ask that question of Buttrick, ed., and J. L. McKenzie gives me pause. These are standard reference works which you obviously have never consulted. McKenzie was a great biblical scholar, and one of the translators of the Anchor Bible. The authors of the articles in The Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible are also scholars in the relevant fields.

Did you not say: "According to Sumerian texts, Biblical text, Akkadian and Babylonian texts, when read literally, explain contact with extraterrestrial "Gods".

OK. What are the texts to which you refer? The Bible or ANET will do. I'm not going to guess.