Do you think aliens/UFOs exist?

[brian32672]

Nanoo Nanoo this is Mork from Ork signing out.....

 

[Tsunamii]

I am still looking for intelligent life on this planet.

 

[mtrycrafts]

I am still looking for intelligent life on this planet.

It is hard to find

 

[mtrycrafts]

Be careful there. Many scientists are afraid to touch that one. They actually practice religion. Do a google search on theories of Gods existence. You'll find plenty of scientists theorizing the topic. Any reason you capitalized God? (you know I had to ask that, right?)

Be careful? Me? You should know me by now

Why did I use a capital G? I pondered on that for a while as I was not going to but I didn't want to sound insensitive, or illiterate?

By the way, scientists are not immune from BS outside of their area of expertise, or leave their baloney detection bag at the office

 

[mtrycrafts]

.....(dare the knave Mtrycrafts respondeth?)....(remain fixedly tunedethed!).....

sure, I dare. But first I have to detect a new post to one of mine

Either the bold highlite didn't work, not unusual, or who knows, but here I am as I found an interesting link to star measurements brought up by a new poster who is a chemist.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/hframe.html

There is more than just triangulation used for those great distances

 

[mtrycrafts]

.....Guys, should we believe EVERY claim of temporary alien-abduction that has been reported was/is false?....have we not seen film of unexplained phenomena that we really believe deep-down was actually UFO's?.....

YES, every claim until there is credible and verifiable evidence beyond just a story and a never materializing evidence on teh way to some science lab.

Unexplained only to those presenting the film

 

[mulester7]

.....ok, the galaxy is huge....what did that have to do with the price of eggs?....the discussion was a Higher Power....let's talk technology....you got 206 bones in your body and about 450 muscles that came from a microscopic-sized egg....I guess that just rose up out of the dirt by itself?.....

 

[furrycute]

the discussion was a Higher Power....let's talk technology....you got 206 bones in your body and about 450 muscles that came from a microscopic-sized egg....I guess that just rose up out of the dirt by itself?.....

Star off with a one celled organism, give it a few billion years (and of course give it a place to live), and then if you are lucky, you will get your 206 bones and 450ish muscles, in one complete package. That's the power of evolution.

 

[mulester7]

Star off with a one celled organism, give it a few billion years (and of course give it a place to live), and then if you are lucky, you will get your 206 bones and 450ish muscles, in one complete package. That's the power of evolution.

.....yes, Furrycute, each will choose.....

 

[racquetman]

Star off with a one celled organism, give it a few billion years (and of course give it a place to live), and then if you are lucky, you will get your 206 bones and 450ish muscles, in one complete package. That's the power of evolution.

Oh, oh. Looks like Furrycute just played the evolution card. Will anyone counter with the creation card, or do we have mostly non-believers on this forum. I'm gonna stay out of this one, seeing as this is in the top 5 of the most futile arguments known to man.

 

[mulester7]

seeing as this is in the top 5 of the most futile arguments known to man.

....and religion should never be discussed in an attitude of argument, Alandamp....as I said, each will choose.....

.....I'll personally go with the accounts of four guys just like you and me who SAW certain deeds performed 2000 years ago....and I'll not go along with everything got skewed in only 2000 years considering the things seen....even being constructed by The Catholic Church didn't effect the first four books of the New Testament past minor details....I guess we're now hip-deep in a counter for creationism, huh?....will accounts 2000 years from now say the Twin Towers were not felled?.....

 

[AFJumper03]

Do you like your cell phone, small batteries, teflon, synthetic rubber, ect, ect, the list goes on. Many of the things you take for granted in everyday life were developed while designing new materials, and components for the Space Program. The next time you think it is a waste of money, maybe you will think twice?

Lets not forget the rockets, radar, sensors, uplinks, etc etc that our military uses to its advantage to stay ahead of our enemies.
Any one who has ever seen the pictures taken by the SR-71 can see a direct link from the space program to the military.

 

[AFJumper03]

(Quote)The topic is so complex, however, that to have an intelligent conversation about it you literally have to be an astrophysicist (start reading the link I posted about parallax and you'll see what I mean - the mathematics become very challenging very quickly). (Quote)

Sorry for some reason the quote feature isnt working tonight.

As an astrophysicist , I can honestly say that the method of star measurement with the parallax method is WIDELY accepted throughout the international community and is supported by numerous other methods. The uncertainity in the measurement as I'm sure you as a scientist will understand comes entirely from the inaccuracy of the instrument taking the measurements. Even with the worst equipment, the uncertainity is never much more than one or two orders of magnitude, which when you are talking about a number with 25 zeros on the end of it, one more zero really doesnt make that much of a difference..

 

[AFJumper03]

....and religion should never be discussed in an attitude of argument, Alandamp....as I said, each will choose.....

.....I'll personally go with the accounts of four guys just like you and me who SAW certain deeds performed 2000 years ago....and I'll not go along with everything got skewed in only 2000 years considering the things seen....even being constructed by The Catholic Church didn't effect the first four books of the New Testament past minor details....I guess we're now hip-deep in a counter for creationism, huh?....will accounts 2000 years from now say the Twin Towers were not felled?.....

If you want to play that I card, I'm sticking with the much better documented account of a man named Homer who "only" lived 4000 years ago, and I'll be outside begging Athena to send me a gift of a new 7.1 set-up

 

[mulester7]

I'm sticking with the much better documented account of a man named Homer who "only" lived 4000 years ago

.....so is this August 9th, 2005, in-the-year-of-our-Homer?.....

 

[Buckeyefan 1]

Playing both cards

Oh, oh. Looks like Furrycute just played the evolution card. Will anyone counter with the creation card, or do we have mostly non-believers on this forum. I'm gonna stay out of this one, seeing as this is in the top 5 of the most futile arguments known to man.

I'll play the evolution card, as I have an open mind about the beginning of the universe, some basic knowledge of how life forms, and how it evolves. I've been asking questions for as long as I can remember. In second grade, I stood up and asked a priest at our Catholic school (I attended though 8th grade and convinced my folks 8 years was enough ) if the Adam and Eve story is true, and they had two sons, where did the rest of the population come from. (Keep in mind I was in second grade, and that's what we were being taught by the underpaid Catholic teachers at the time). The priest said (this was a religion class) - to all our amazement, that many stories in the Bible may or may not be true, but more importantly, have a deeper meaning. My immediate next question was about Noah and the Ark. How anyone could possibly gather two of each animal on the planet and fit it into a ship was beyond my 2nd grade logic. Again, he said take it for what it's worth. Ever since that day, I had a new appreciation for the Church (and the ability to stand up and ask questions). It may have been that priest, or his answers, but I've never thrown away religion because of science, my understanding of evolution, or all the misaligned teachings in the Christian community. All of us have minds of our own, and have the free will to think on our own two feet.

Who are we to say there isn't a supreme being behind the beginning of time, and this supreme being simply put the wheels in motion and does not want to alter the wheel? And don't give me the God paradox.

This taken from Omnipotence and the Stone Paradox:
Either God can create a stone which God cannot lift, or God cannot create a stone which God cannot lift.
If God can create a stone which God cannot lift, then He is not omnipotent (since He cannot lift the stone in question.
If God cannot create a stone which God cannot lift, then He is not omnipotent (since He cannot create the stone in question).
Therefore,
God is not omnipotent.

"Anselm held that "God cannot be corrupted, or tell lies, or make the true into the false (such as to undo what has been done)" Proslogion, VII."

"The tenth-century Jewish philosopher, Saadia ben Joseph spoke of "those absurdities that cannot be ascribed to divine omnipotence, such as the bringing back of yesterday and causing the number five to be more than ten" The Book of Beliefs and Opinions, Treatise VII (variant), ch. 1."

I'll never personally pass judgement on anyone who follows or ignores religion. There's plenty of science that says God does not exist. All I ask is that those who don't believe or have faith, please don't ever rely on a supreme being (or God) with prayers when a family member, loved one, or yourself is on or near their/your death bed. I'm sure if there is a God, and He offers forgiveness, it will be given. But wouldn't that make you a hypocrite for denying it all these years?

 

[mulester7]

don't ever rely on a supreme being (or God) with prayers when a family member, loved one, or yourself is on or near their/your death bed.

.....Buck, first of all, His Will, WILL, be done, whether we want it or not, or ask for it or not....so we might as well ask for it, since it's best for us anyway....secondly, Buck, most of us have had close kin taken from us before we were ready for them to go, and understand that hurt, based on fear, of having no choice but to go on without them.....

.....I don't understand the conception that there could not be a Creator as my eyes work pretty well....a Creator, who evidently can simply think things into existance or happening, and I see no conflict of science to Deity-Creation....

.....but my main focus, is this man Jesus Christ, who lived in the Far East 2000 years ago, who is documented beyond any question to have lived at that time, and most mainly, my focus is on the after-it-was-all-over writings of four guys who knew Him better than any four guys on Earth....Jesus performed what to their limited eyes, was true supernatural phemonena....I would have seen it the same, would you have not?....why wouldn't a mere human feel FEAR when viewing a pronounced-dead body rise with life?.....

.....guys, I'm not trying to turn this into Sunday School, but for sure wouldn't spurn it, either.....

 

[furrycute]

If you want to talk about miracles, then you will find plenty of miracles "documented" in old legends.

Let's take for example the war between 2 early dynasties in China about 3 or 4 thousand years ago. Those battles were depicted in epic proportions, with each side commanding the forces of heaven, generals/soldiers wielding supernatural powers that defy logic. Well, those great battles did take place, and those 2 dynasties did exist. But as to the validity of those "supernatural" powers, I'm sure storytellers from that time period used more than their share of embellishment.

Then there was the Oddyssey and the Illiad, etc.

Historically Jesus most likely must have been a real life figure. As to those miracles, I'm sure there were embellishments. But Jesus must have had some medical knowledge. As to rising from the dead. One possibility is that Jesus was still alive after the crucification, and was nursed back to health. His followers then embellished the account to give their religion more credibility.

 

[mulester7]

Historically Jesus most likely must have been a real life figure. As to those miracles, I'm sure there were embellishments. But Jesus must have had some medical knowledge. As to rising from the dead. One possibility is that Jesus was still alive after the crucification, and was nursed back to health. His followers then embellished the account to give their religion more credibility.

.....Furrycute, I firmly believe there is a God-shaped hole in our hearts that only God can fill, and I'm going to say women seem to recognize the need more than men overall, and there goes another can of worms being opened, oh well....if you haven't come to a day of reckoning, you probably will, as most do....I will continue to go with the accounts of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and Saint John....I don't believe anything they had to say was embellished or lessened, but predicated on eye-witness account.....

.....and as to the Chinese battles 3-4 thousand years ago and their fighting with reportedly supernatural abilities....each probably had a spoon on a chain resembling a small shovel around their necks, white nostrils, and eyes as big as saucers as they were run through with swords multiple times and kept on coming, if you know what I mean, snort, snort.......

 

[furrycute]

.....and as to the Chinese battles 3-4 thousand years ago and their fighting with reportedly supernatural abilities....each probably had a spoon on a chain resembling a small shovel around their necks, white nostrils, and eyes as big as saucers as they were run through with swords multiple times and kept on coming, if you know what I mean, snort, snort.......

Oh believe me, those battles were fought with more than just shovels. And the battles in Illiad and Oddyssey were fought with more than just silver spoons.

All historical accounts from several thousand years ago have to be taken with a grain of salt. Actually even accounts from within our life time have to be taken with a grain of salt as well. As to why you have to insist on taking the bible literally is beyond me.