Bryston Model T Floorstanding Speakers

[MinusTheBear]

Looking at the cabinet construction, bracing, and the modified drivers they certainly have the ability to be "night and day" better than the M80. There is is some significant changes here. The fact that Axiom is not known to use high order crossovers, these new drivers probably are better suited for their type of minimalistic crossover design I hope. These hybrid drivers I'm guessing don't have as harsh of breakup as the aluminum drivers they use in the upper band of the midrange.

With all these changes I wonder if they made changes to running the same bandwidth on the dual tweeters on the Bryston T so it doesn't compromise the horizontal and vertical polar response. I'd love to see Stereophile measure these to get a full picture on their performance. At the very least I'd expect a more refined speaker without that "upfront edginess" that Axioms can have.

 

[exlabdriver]

I'm running 3 sets of V3 Axioms - M2s/EP400 (audio system with tube amp), M22s, VP100 & QS4s (HT), & M3s (audio system) - in different roles.

Since I have a lot of time on my hands, I've done a ton of listening over the past year. Absolutely no 'harsh breakup' nor any other kind of breakup that I can determine. No 'upfront edginess' in my listening rooms either.

But this is a Model T thread - if their price is out of anyone's range like they are for me - they can simply look elsewhere...

TAM

 

[3db]

Yeah kind of like buying a Lexus for $60k or buying a Toyota Camry with extra options for $60k. But the Camry is only "looks/jewerly" and not better built, like the Lexus for the same price.

I'm 100% sure that the M80 is similarly good compared to the Model T. The Model T just gives you extra "jewerly" options its not better thats for sure.

Those are strong words for one who has a) never examined them in person and took them apart and b) never heard them. I'll wait for the measurements to come in before passing judgement.

 

[3db]

Looking at the cabinet construction, bracing, and the modified drivers they certainly have the ability to be "night and day" better than the M80. There is is some significant changes here. The fact that Axiom is not known to use high order crossovers, these new drivers probably are better suited for their type of minimalistic crossover design I hope. These hybrid drivers I'm guessing don't have as harsh of breakup as the aluminum drivers they use in the upper band of the midrange.

With all these changes I wonder if they made changes to running the same bandwidth on the dual tweeters on the Bryston T so it doesn't compromise the horizontal and vertical polar response. I'd love to see Stereophile measure these to get a full picture on their performance. At the very least I'd expect a more refined speaker without that "upfront edginess" that Axioms can have.

Have you had a chance to look inside? I want at the same info you're getting.

 

[billy p]

Though the words are rather harsh/or strong...he basing these opinions on information available currently and having owned Axiom speakers in the past he has taken the time to open them up and examine the parts & build quality. Until then we can all formualte an opinion either positive or negative untill we're all proven wrong or right....its a open ended discussion...IMO.

Ps: I recall you stated that you audtioned Axioms years ago....how did you find them? And ...since we're on the subject...not looking to compare apples(Axioms) oranges(model T's) as you can see some parallels can clearly be drawn here...

Those are strong words for one who has a) never examined them in person and took them apart and b) never heard them. I'll wait for the measurements to come in before passing judgement.

 

[3db]

Though the words are rather harsh/or strong...he basing these opinions on information available currently and having owned Axiom speakers in the past he has taken the time to open them up and examine the parts & build quality. Until then we can all formualte an opinion either positive or negative untill we're all proven wrong or right....its a open ended discussion...IMO.

Ps: I recall you stated that you audtioned Axioms years ago....how did you find them? And ...since we're on the subject...not looking to compare apples(Axioms) oranges(model T's) as you can see some parallels can clearly be drawn here...

Hi Billy

I didn't find the Axioms offensive on that one audition but I didn't have the chance to listen to them as long as I wanted with th ematerial I wanted.

Unless Bryston is pulling a similar move to Krell with a rebadged Oppo, I will wait for a detailed review of these speakers. I'll use the analogy of stock cars. The stock cars performance is far superior to the production model they "losely" represent. Much rework has gone into the stock car to make its performance superior. I'm not saying the model Ts are superior. For all I know Bryston could have pulled a Krell/Oppo thing . But until a detailed reviews indicate one way or another, I will wait and see.

 

[cpp]

Hi Billy

I didn't find the Axioms offensive on that one audition but I didn't have the chance to listen to them as long as I wanted with th ematerial I wanted.

Unless Bryston is pulling a similar move to Krell with a rebadged Oppo, I will wait for a detailed review of these speakers. I'll use the analogy of stock cars. The stock cars performance is far superior to the production model they "losely" represent. Much rework has gone into the stock car to make its performance superior. I'm not saying the model Ts are superior. For all I know Bryston could have pulled a Krell/Oppo thing . But until a detailed reviews indicate one way or another, I will wait and see.

You know 3db, I wouldn't put it past them.... Why spend a whole lot on cabinet building equipment, trained wood workers when you can just use someones "partners" equipment or their actual speakers with a few tweeks, put your name on it up the price to support the name and bingo, new speakers.

 

[3db]

You know 3db, I wouldn't put it past them.... Why spend a whole lot on cabinet building equipment, trained wood workers when you can just use someones "partners" equipment or their actual speakers with a few tweeks, put your name on it up the price to support the name and bingo, new speakers.

I'm going to give Bryston teh benefit of the doubt on this one basing it on their world class warranty of 20 years on their power amps. I don't think Bryston would pull a Krell because they want to maintain their reputation as a solid company providing world class products. But liek I've been saying all along this thread....I'll wait for the reveiws to come out before judging the Model Ts.

 

[exlabdriver]

3db - very reasonable view of things.

From the horse's mouth - The Bryston line was a ground up design and all the drivers were modified to suit each speaker. Even within the Bryston line up there are three versions of the 8” and two versions of the 5.25”.

FWIW

TAM

 

[Grador]

From the horse's mouth - The Bryston line was a ground up design and all the drivers were modified to suit each speaker. Even within the Bryston line up there are three versions of the 8” and two versions of the 5.25”.

But it's not a ground up design, that one is plain enough to see. I'm going to stick with 3db on judgement, I've seen no indication of how far the apple has fallen from the tree, but if they actually called this a "ground up design" I find that quite off-putting.

 

[exlabdriver]

As far as the designer is concerned it is. I think that he should know...

TAM

 

[Grador]

As far as the designer is concerned it is. I think that he should know...

TAM

I see. Curious to read the source, have a link?

 

[gtpsuper24]

But it's not a ground up design, that one is plain enough to see. I'm going to stick with 3db on judgement, I've seen no indication of how far the apple has fallen from the tree, but if they actually called this a "ground up design" I find that quite off-putting.

Its pretty much an "upscale" M80, same layout, same amount of tweeters and midranges. I would not expect any indepth comprehensive design discussion from Axiom or Bryston. Axiom usually just beats around the bush about their design decisions and never really backs them up with any thing other than "trust us, we know what we're doing". They love all those fancy exciting buzz words that don't mean much about anything.

As far as the designer is concerned it is. I think that he should know

They all say that and you believe them? Every thing new is a ground up/ground breaking design, every company says that its marketing 101. Don't forget they are trying to sell you something. They want money and so you should view them as car salesman, be very skeptical and think for yourself, instead of relying on what they say. Try and form an opinion for yourself in stead of following in lock step with every thing they say.

 

[gene]

As far as the designer is concerned it is. I think that he should know...

TAM

In prior conversations with Ian, he used to declare a better sounding speaker than the M80s couldn't be made regardless of price. He said all you could do is improve upon cosmetics and more output. With that in mind, I'd imagine the Bryston speakers sound "similarly good" to the M80v3s but with more output and nicer cosmetics. Axiom fans with deep pockets should really love these speakers!

 

[3db]

Wow, the amount of speculation on this thread simply amazing. I'm glad I'm not the one on trail in this "kangaroo" court

 

[gtpsuper24]

In prior conversations with Ian, he used to declare a better sounding speaker than the M80s couldn't be made regardless of price. He said all you could do is improve upon cosmetics and more output. With that in mind, I'd imagine the Bryston speakers sound "similarly good" to the M80v3s but with more output and nicer cosmetics. Axiom fans with deep pockets should really love these speakers!

As soon as they released those LFR1100s the first thing they said was "they aren't better than the M80s, just different" I wonder if Bryston would go along with that kind of thinking? That his $6k+ speakers aren't better than a $1500 pair of speakers only different.

 

[exlabdriver]

GT - and you aren't worshiping Jon's every word in the Arx thread at AVS?

Yup 3db, 'kangaroo court' sums up this whole thread very nicely...

TAM

 

[gtpsuper24]

GT - and you aren't worshiping Jon's every word in the Arx thread at AVS?

Yup 3db, 'kangaroo court' sums up this whole thread very nicely...

TAM

Worshiping how? I don't push Arx in every thread I post in. I don't make outlandish claims like my Arx speakers are as good as it gets regardless of price. Jon doesn't make stupid claims like you don't need cabinet bracing, you don't need filters on the tweeters, you don't need quality drivers, you don't need to worry about comb filtering and cancellation issues.

He has never said any of the bizzare things Ian has said. Jon has even claimed that he could design even better speakers, but he is constrained by the price point. No marketing fluff like Ian spews out, like $1500 is the best that can ever be done and it can only be done by us. I've actually asked questions about certain designs and why he did it or didn't do it. None of us over at the Arx thread are disillusioned in to thinking we have reached the pinnicle of audio nirvanna.

Jon has never created some fake DBT to give his speakers and unfair advantage so that way when they win he can plaster it all over the web in advertising. He also doesn't give people money for demoing his products like Axiom does for the in home Axiom demo. http://www.axiomaudio.com/documents/Super_Audition_Club.pdf Earn $25 for every audition that turns into and Axiom sale, its all about building the "axiom club" Jon Lane doesn't have any kind of that non-sense.

I've also recommended other speakers over the Arx because I think it would fit the posters needs more than a current Arx product. I'm not like the Axiom guys in that one sizes fits all, (only Axiom)

But anyway we're getting way off topic, so probably best to get back to the kangaroo court.

 

[gene]

Guys;

I'd just like to keep the tone of this thread civil towards each other and the manufacturers in question. I'm sure everyone reading and participating in this thread would love to hear these speakers first hand (myself included) to form their own impression.

In my conversations with James Tanner, he indicated a high demand for these new speaker products from their dealers. Looking forward to hearing owners and pro reviewers experiences with these products. In the end, if the products are selling well and the customers are happy, then its a good thing for all parties involved.

For all others, there are several hundred other great brands to chose from.

 

[gtpsuper24]

Heres a picture of the Bryston Model T external Xover box you paid $1,000 extra over the standard model.