Bryston Model T Floorstanding Speakers

[gtpsuper24]

I think Bryston should have partnered with Ascend or Salk.

I bet Axiom begged Bryston to partner up. Why would Bryston contact Axiom and say lets design a $10,000 Axiom M80? And then lets copy all your other designs almost identically and quadtruple the price.

I can't understand how anyone does not see the exact same design philosophy between the two brands. Everything Ian believes in is right there in all the Bryston models. Dual tweeter center, almost same layout, ect... Even the drivers are modified Axiom drivers. I say this is a project Axiom needed to keep the factory going strong. Axiom doesn't seem popular anymore so I would be theres alot of "downtime" inbetween each production run. Probably why they created the frankenspeaker LFR1100.

 

[3db]

If the tweeters run the same bandwidth in that driver complement, it will be compromised similar to the M80 in terms of trading off a uniform polar response for peak power handling and lower distortion at very high output. Throwing more money at the drivers and cabinet won't fix that. It would be a very intriguing product if there is another approach to the dual tweeters going on that we don't know of.

"if" . All I've read on this thread is "if" . No one has come forth in this thread with 100% concrete evidence that something has or hasn't changed. Its all just speculation.

 

[3db]

I thought "Persuing the truth in Audio and Video" meant obtaining hard evidence, not circumstantial BS that could lead to incorrect conclusions. This thread underminds everything about "Persuing the truth in Audio and Video".

 

[PENG]

I thought "Persuing the truth in Audio and Video" meant obtaining hard evidence, not circumstantial BS that could lead to incorrect conclusions. This thread underminds everything about "Persuing the truth in Audio and Video".

I am curious about if the drivers have been modified. In manufacturing, it is not uncommon that machine manufacturers do purchase components from OEM but require them to custom modified them to meet their specs/requirements. If (yes, be clear, I am saying if) Bryston does use the exact same drivers and crossovers then I would guess chances are higher, that they would bear some similarity in sound qualtiy, though not necessarily as good or bad.

I had email Bryston in the past and gotten quick responses to my questons. I wouldn't email Mr. Tanner though as I think he's in the sales department. I fogot the name of the engineer I contacted before. For technical questions I much prefer talking to people in the engineering department.

 

[Steve81]

I agree but without an in depth test, its all BS speculation.

While I won't defend all the comments made on this thread by any stretch, I'd like to think that the comments I've made fall under the category of "educated guess", even if not necessarily "well educated". Now if I said that Bryston was just taking a payoff by Axiom so the latter could use the name and benefit from the prestige, that would be BS speculation.

 

[3db]

While I won't defend all the comments made on this thread by any stretch, I'd like to think that the comments I've made fall under the category of "educated guess", even if not necessarily "well educated". Now if I said that Bryston was just taking a payoff by Axiom so the latter could use the name and benefit from the prestige, that would be BS speculation.

I've seen "educated guesses" fall flat on their face.. When I brought up Paradigm's Ultra Sub2 and their claimed response of a solid 10Hz at high outputs, everyone jumped on teh band wagonm with their educated guesses say no way in hell that sub could do that. Audioholics thankfully measured it and saw that Paradigm's claims were indeed valid.

Steve, I'm not siding either way on the Model T. I'm just saying hold off on the speculation until the tests come in. I'll be the first to cry foul if Bryston pulled a Lexicon. I don't take kindly to companies scamming people.

BTW, I've agreed with your previous comment about it appears that nothing susbstantial has been done. Let an in depth review determine whether or not its true.

 

[PENG]

I bet Axiom begged Bryston to partner up. Why would Bryston contact Axiom and say lets design a $10,000 Axiom M80? And then lets copy all your other designs almost identically and quadtruple the price.

I can't understand how anyone does not see the exact same design philosophy between the two brands. Everything Ian believes in is right there in all the Bryston models. Dual tweeter center, almost same layout, ect... Even the drivers are modified Axiom drivers. I say this is a project Axiom needed to keep the factory going strong. Axiom doesn't seem popular anymore so I would be theres alot of "downtime" inbetween each production run. Probably why they created the frankenspeaker LFR1100.

Perhaps that's because some people are not as comfortable as you are to jump to conclusion at this point in time base on available information.

 

[Steve81]

Meanwhile in other news, a little more info on the T Subwoofer.
Bryston Model T Subwoofer | Hi-Fi

 

[shadyJ]

Meanwhile in other news, a little more info on the T Subwoofer.
Bryston Model T Subwoofer | Hi-Fi

Recently I have thought a tower subwoofer might be pretty good. If you placed the port vertically in a tower you could make it very long thereby tuning the subwoofer very deep. A bunch of drivers in a line array would also bring extremely low distortion at normal levels, so it would sound very clean until you started to push it. It would also have a small footprint. However, this Bryston sub doesn't really look what I hope a subwoofer tower could be.

 

[gtpsuper24]

Or priced like one, its over $4k for the triple 8".

 

[gene]

This makes an assumption that Bryston had no input into possible modifications of the cross over designs, cabinet construction, and drivers. Its putting the cart in front of the horse until test results prove one way or another.

Um no. Please read the actual Preview article we wrote associated with this thread. The drivers (with perhaps the tweeter being the exception) are all upgraded, the crossover parts are upgraded and the cabinets are all more heavily braced.

 

[gene]

I thought "Persuing the truth in Audio and Video" meant obtaining hard evidence, not circumstantial BS that could lead to incorrect conclusions. This thread underminds everything about "Persuing the truth in Audio and Video".

A lot of forum threads here and elsewhere rarely "pursue' truth. But let's be clear people's opinions on a forum thread vs our editorial articles written by our staff are two different things. I agree this thread offers a lot of speculation. I, as well as many others here, look forward to some solid answers.

 

[gene]

I bet Axiom begged Bryston to partner up. Why would Bryston contact Axiom and say lets design a $10,000 Axiom M80? And then lets copy all your other designs almost identically and quadtruple the price.

Who cares who approached who. My understanding is Axiom/Bryston have always had good relations so they likely both thought of a way to work together. Axiom has the ability to mass produce speakers for them cost effectively without having to resort to outsourcing to China. Trust me, when producing speakers in China its a full time job doing QC. This alleviates that concern since Axiom/Bryston are neighbors in Canada.

That being said, let's see what facts come out about the products and let the chips fall where they fall.

 

[monkish54]

I'm not sure how anyone is on board with this product. "Upgraded" mid/woofers or not with a 300% increase in price I expect a 300% better speaker.

We still have two tweeters, both of which are exactly the same as the M80, and Vinyl wrap. Why are people so willing to accept this??

With a 300% increase in budget i expect them to use one tweeter! The more dynamic Status Acoustic 8T only has one tweeter. They use a tweeter robust enough that it can handle very loud volumes. If Axiom could use only one tweeter they would, because it would be cheaper. However, to achieve the target SPL they need to use two tweeters or use a single more expensive, and therefore more robust, tweeter. I will accept 2 tweeters in a $1500 speaker (if my goal was SPL) I will NOT, under any circumstances, accept this in a 6-10,000 dollar speaker!

 

[cpp]

I'm not sure how anyone is on board with this product. "Upgraded" mid/woofers or not with a 300% increase in price I expect a 300% better speaker.

We still have two tweeters, both of which are exactly the same as the M80, and Vinyl wrap. Why are people so willing to accept this??

With a 300% increase in budget i expect them to use one tweeter! The more dynamic Status Acoustic 8T only has one tweeter. They use a tweeter robust enough that it can handle very loud volumes. If Axiom could use only one tweeter they would, because it would be cheaper. However, to achieve the target SPL they need to use two tweeters or use a single more expensive, and therefore more robust, tweeter. I will accept 2 tweeters in a $1500 speaker (if my goal was SPL) I will NOT, under any circumstances, accept this in a 6-10,000 dollar speaker!

Like I noted a while back, it's all about the name and how much the company feels the can get for a product based on their name and/or reputation in the amp industry. It's like build it and they will come....I just feel it's s tad over priced.

 

[3db]

Like I noted a while back, it's all about the name and how much the company feels the can get for a product based on their name and/or reputation in the amp industry. It's like build it and they will come....I just feel it's s tad over priced.

Lets see what the tests say/

 

[PENG]

I'm not sure how anyone is on board with this product. "Upgraded" mid/woofers or not with a 300% increase in price I expect a 300% better speaker.

We still have two tweeters, both of which are exactly the same as the M80, and Vinyl wrap. Why are people so willing to accept this??

With a 300% increase in budget i expect them to use one tweeter! The more dynamic Status Acoustic 8T only has one tweeter. They use a tweeter robust enough that it can handle very loud volumes. If Axiom could use only one tweeter they would, because it would be cheaper. However, to achieve the target SPL they need to use two tweeters or use a single more expensive, and therefore more robust, tweeter. I will accept 2 tweeters in a $1500 speaker (if my goal was SPL) I will NOT, under any circumstances, accept this in a 6-10,000 dollar speaker!

I would be so sure about the 1 vs more tweeters thing. The $80,000 McIntosh speaker has 40 tweeters.

 

[monkish54]

I would be so sure about the 1 vs more tweeters thing. The $80,000 McIntosh speaker has 40 tweeters.

LOL!! Slightly different.

I've heard the 40k McIntosh....it was meh.

 

[cpp]

Lets see what the tests say/

I think I noted that a while back too

Who knows, I guess someone will have to hear them and measure them before any final judgement can be passed.

 

[MinusTheBear]

That MciNtosh is a line array. Totally different speaker design than what Axiom/Bryston is doing.

There is a distinction in comb filtering that occurs from listening mono to stereo, the combing brought forth by the nature of room acoustics and that of comb filtering happening within the driver complement of a single (mono) speaker.

Comb filtering induced by the design of the speaker itself will compromise the polar response and power response and therefore cause more issues with real rooms. If you shoot the polar response in a chamber you will see these eventual interference patterns occurring (large peaks in dips) as you take frequency response horizontally and vertically around the speaker that will in no way resemble the last frequency response taken. Even though we don't hear these single non-uniform compromised off-axis frequency response graph in a bubble, summed together they can compromise overall timbre in real listening rooms. For instance lobing.