American "Neoimperialism"

[shokhead]

Surely you are refering to the facts like:
1) All Europeans are stupid
2) All Middle easterners are terrorists
3) All Asians are bad drivers

etc. that are considered trivial knowledge among Americans.

You forgot about all blacks can dance and jews are tight with money.

 

[Buckle-meister]

Face it, bucky. Without us you would be speaking German

Out of curiosity, are you taught at school that America, through its intervention, saved the Allies and won the war?

You forgot about all blacks can dance and jews are tight with money.

Phew! Thank goodness people think its Jews now and not Scots.

 

[markw]

Out of curiosity, are you taught at school that America, through its intervention, saved the Allies and won the war?

Were you taught differently? Is history different there? I think not. Hubris maximized from an insignificant country.

All I know is that when we turned our manufacturing talents and our manpower towards the war, the tide changed, big time. Yep, without us you would be toast.

Remember, the ONLY defense the British Empire (yes, you are a small part of it) had was separation between itself and mainland Europe via the channel.

France was gone, Belgium, Poland and the rest of Europe were gone and England was next on their agenda. And, with the way Germany was developing missles and moving forward with their heavy water experiments, we were your last, best hope.

Face it, England needed us and, like itr or not, if and when England went, you went with it. ...sort of a two for one sale. Lord knows, Scotland doesn't really offer any strategic or industrial gain, but you're part of the package, along with Ireland.

 

[The Numenorian]

Wow...a wide range of responses. I'm not surprised, so don't bring that up. One of the reasons I posted my opinion that we Americans shouldn't make ourselves out to be "the greatest" is because of my opinion regarding pride. I think no one should ever excpect a gift in return for a voluntary service- for instance, just because we turned the tide in WWI and II, doesn't mean we should expect the world's heartfelt love. Our nation, particularly Woodrow Wilson and FDR, did what was right in the eyes of the world. What would really give the world a better view of the US is humility. Could we just stop bragging for one second and do things without taking excessive pride in them? Pride is good, and well deserved, but not to the point that we take it (as seen in this thread.)

I honestly can't believe some of the statements that have come out of this thread. There are some very haughty people in here who honestly believe that America is above the rest of the world. Well, we're all humans, and our country just has a more noble past that many others. But we aren't justified in using the past (which has its fair share of wrong deeds) to justify our supposed dominion over others.

rjbudz, regarding your response, man obviously has free will, and nothing can ever change that. The war was a choice, and Versailles was a chioce made by the Allies, but impressed on Germany.

markw, your slant is showing in your sig. Do I detect a hint of social darwinism?

Here's my point: how is humanity ever going to grow into what it can when we still separate ourselves with unneccesary nationalism and isolationism? It's good to be proud about your heritage, but there is such a thing as being too proud.

 

[markw]

This is geting a bit off track

In business, who does not look for the best return for their investment? Do you all buy from the guy up the street who has higher prices or do you look for the best bang for the buck? Why is if OK for one person to do it but it's a sin when a country tries to do the exact same thing?

A bit of idealistic hypocrisy perhaps?

What other countries have ever rebuild the losing countries when they won a war? Who, from their own funds, rebuilt Europe and took over it's defense after WWII? Who set up Japan with the latest and greatest capital at the same time?

As for my signature, it's a joke and not intended to be taken seriously, unlike your posts, which are a joke and ARE intended to be taken seriously.

And, in closing, a direct answer to a direct question: Who, in that list you gleefully point to, is capable of doing a better job than the US? Not who you "wish" could do it, but who CAN?

We're waiting...

 

[Buckle-meister]

Were you taught differently? Is history different there? I think not. Hubris maximized from an insignificant country.

I wasn't specifically taught that America saved us, no. It's understandable I guess, but a bit of a shame that each country tends to focus on their part in historical events as pupils then have a tendancy to believe that their country's part in events was greater and therefore more important than anothers when this isn't necessarily the case at all.

Hubris maximized from an insignificant country.

Just looked up the dictionary for the meaning of hubris. Do you think I'm arrogant and presumptuous? As for insignificant country, which? Scotland, England, Ireland or Wales, and in what way are they insignificant?

All I know is that when we turned our manufacturing talents and our manpower towards the war, the tide changed, big time.

Of course it changed big time! No wonder both sides of that conflict wanted you on their side; just look at the size of your country and the corressponding resources it had to offer. With you on the Allies' side, the Allies 'won'. With you on Germany's side, Germany probably would've 'won'. But that still doesn't mean that without your aid the Allies couldn't have 'won'.

...without us you would be toast. Remember, the ONLY defense the British Empire (yes, you are a small part of it...

You meant 'were' right? There is no British Empire anymore.

Face it, England needed us and, like it or not, if and when England went, you went with it.

In the same way that Scotland fell after England to the Romans?

 

[The Numenorian]

Europe can't get it's own shiite together. Without the US, most, if not all of, of Europe would either be Nazi or behind the Iron Curtian.

But, if the world chooses, have Europe handle Africa. This should be funny since they couldn't even handle that nasty Serbia/Herzogovina (sp?) thing in the ninties with out intervention? Intervention, hell. That was dropped totally on our laps and they walked away.

No, the truth is. like it ot not, the world is in a much better place with us at the helm.

Now, if you were, as you say, a "proud American". you would know this. You're just another cowering left wing liberal trying his hand at anonymous muck raking in a quasi-public forum.

This was the first response to the OP. We've been off track for quite some time- this didn't contribute anything but immediately showing off a small portion of our national record. I'm still laughing at being called a liberal...much less cowering.

 

[markw]

And I'm still waiting for an answer to my question.

 

[markw]

I wasn't specifically taught that America saved us, no. It's understandable I guess, but a bit of a shame that each country tends to focus on their part in historical events as pupils then have a tendancy to believe that their country's part in events was greater and therefore more important than anothers when this isn't necessarily the case at all.

I'm not overly proud, but when a bunch of crybabies from insignificant countries try to show how big and important they wish they were by talking down the US, I do tend to chime in.

Just looked up the dictionary for the meaning of hubris. Do you think I'm arrogant and presumptuous? As for insignificant country, which? Scotland, England, Ireland or Wales, and in what way are they insignificant?

Actually, when looking at GDP, Scotland doesn't even show. England, however, comes in at about 15% of the US. I guess you contribute a miniscule amount of that.

Of course it changed big time! No wonder both sides of that conflict wanted you on their side; just look at the size of your country and the corressponding resources it had to offer. With you on the Allies' side, the Allies 'won'. With you on Germany's side, Germany probably would've 'won'.

no duh! So, you admit here that we turned the tide. Good thinking.

But that still doesn't mean that without your aid the Allies couldn't have 'won'.

Huh? Perhaps, but, then again, the sun might not have risen this morning either. I guess I gave you that "good thinking" a bit prematurley.

You meant 'were' right? There is no British Empire anymore.

I was being respectful to the British here. Given your countries history with England, I guess you don't understand that. Self rule and all that, you know.

In the same way that Scotland fell after England to the Romans?

I guess they figured you weeren't worth the effort. What have you done lately?

 

[The Numenorian]

I'll tell you who- Russia, France, Germany, Britain, Italy, Japan, China, Australia, or any combination of these! Its not about whether or not they can do it- but would they? And as soon as we take proud in the fact that we WANT to do it, we might as well not, if we expect loyalty and payment in return.

, however, comes in at about 15% of the US. I guess you contribute a miniscule amount of that.


I guess they figured you weeren't worth the effort. What have you done lately?

Does this mean the people in Scotland aren't still people. deserving equal human rights and respect? Plus, it's Scotland! Scotland is small!

 

[markw]

I'll tell you who- Russia, France, Germany, Britain, Italy, Japan, China, Australia, or any combination of these! Its not about whether or not they can do it- but would they?

Well ,they could make a good start by trying to clean up Africa but I don't see any of them chomping at the but to it, do you?

Russia? They can't pay their own bills or keep their own house clean. Remember the iron curtian?

Germany? With that unemployment rate? Gimme a break! And, ask the Jews how they feel.

France? Yeah, like they handle their own people and problems so well. didn't they just have several weeks of riots and lose several thousand cars in the process. that's the problem with a society where most depend on the state. Someone's gotta pay for it and right now, they don't generate enough income to do that. And, check out the Ivory Coast in Africa for how well they are doing there.

Japan? Yeah, ask China what they think about that. Can you say "Nanking"?

China? Give them time. Your wish may yet come true, but not for a few years. Your grandkids may curse you for wishing it, though

Australia? With what army? They are nice guys but arean't ready for prime timer and most likely never will be.

Or, in thecase of a coalition, someone's gotta be "da boss". Who do you think they could all agree on?

The closest entity to that ideal is the UN and it ain't doing too good now is it? Money problems, corruption and all without the help of the big, bad U S of A.

Numo, I gave you way too much credit for having a clue earlier. You write well and use some big words but, as you've shown here, you haven't a clue about what you're railing on about.

..And as soon as we take proud in the fact that we WANT to do it, we might as well not, if we expect loyalty and payment in return.

So, you are saying that they should get nothing for all the outlay of time, manpower and capital? What color is the sky on your planet? Yeah, nothing like feeding a stray dog and getting your hand bitten for the effort.

Does this mean the people in Scotland aren't still people. deserving equal human rights and respect? Plus, it's Scotland! Scotland is small!

Yeah, they deserve respect but somes Scotsmen talk a lot bigger than they are. It's wise country (and their people) that realizes it's place in the pecking order of the world.

 

[The Numenorian]

You could tell a wall it was wrong for standing...

What I tried to say was that we shouldn't be proud for doing good. We should be happy to do it, and satisfied by the result of helping someone out of a bind, not to boost ourselves up some more.

 

[markw]

You could tell a wall it was wrong for standing...

What I tried to say was that we shouldn't be proud for doing good. We should be happy to do it, and satisfied by the result of helping someone out of a bind, not to boost ourselves up some more.

Idealisim is a good thing in one's youth, but soon a more realistic, more mature thought process should take over. If not, well...

 

[The Numenorian]

Good thing I'm still in my youth (w00t!)

Anyway, this thread has gone down sh*t creek w/o a paddle. I wish I hadn't made it so separating...I really am a proud citizen, I just find fault with certain parts of our country. I've said the pledge many a time, and each time I say it I mean it more and more...its just that I have a dream for a better world and a better America, one that helps people instead of isolates them, and one that the world really can appreciate for its morals and deeds. Then I'll say we're truly great.

 

[Buckle-meister]

I'm not overly proud, but when a bunch of crybabies from insignificant countries try to show how big and important they wish they were by talking down the US, I do tend to chime in.

Just to be clear, are you referring to me here? Given that I (think) I'm about the only non-American 'chiming in' here, I guess you must. Please refer me to the post which demonstrates my talking down the U.S.

Actually, when looking at GDP, Scotland doesn't even show. England, however, comes in at about 15% of the US. I guess you contribute a miniscule amount of that.

Oh. Thanks. Know I know what determines whether a country is significant or not.

So, you admit here that we turned the tide. Good thinking.

Post number 37, paragraph 2. Do try and keep up.

I was being respectful to the British here. Given your countries history with England, I guess you don't understand that. Self rule and all that, you know.

No. If you knew that the British Empire was no more, you were pandering to them. If you didn't, you were simply mistaken. Oh, and I've nothing against England. Feel free to keep guessing though.

I guess they figured you weeren't worth the effort.

Bzzzt. Wrong answer.

...this thread has gone down sh*t creek w/o a paddle.

So it seems.

 

[Buckle-meister]

...some Scotsmen talk a lot bigger than they are. It's wise country (and their people) that realizes it's place in the pecking order of the world.

Markw, are you able to write anything without baiting someone?

 

[Rock&Roll Ninja]

No, but they are still dying of hunger, malnutrition, lack of basic medical care, decent living conditions and other reasons considered necessities in the developed world.

Jesus Christ, does every country need us to pave their roads and shingle their roofs for them too? maybe we can wipe their asses for them next time. Give a mouse a cookie and next it will ask to collect welfare and demand a heart transplant while it sits on a couch all day eating bag after bad of BBQ potato chips.

 

[Sheep]

I'm not touching this thread with a 40 food reply pole, but I will say this.

My opinion of some key members has dropped GREATLY (and rose greatly for some ).

I thought political threads were banned...

SheepStar

 

[The Numenorian]

I'm diggin the sig, sheep

 

[Buckle-meister]

Give a mouse a cookie and next it will ask to collect welfare and demand a heart transplant while it sits on a couch all day eating bag after bad of BBQ potato chips.

Then don't give the mouse a cookie. If the mouse doesn't get a cookie it won't feel spoiled and next demand welfare. Meanwhile, you'll either be able to eat the cookie yourself (yum!) or, not needing to have bought it in the first place, saved yourself some money to pay off some of your debt.

...like it ot not, the world is in a much better place with us at the helm. Now, if you were, as you say, a "proud American". you would know this...

I can't help but interpret that being proud is somehow connected to whether or not the world is a better place with America at the helm when clearly the two have nothing whatsoever to do with one another. Wouldn't you agree?