2009-2010 NFL Season

[jonnythan]

Brees is better than Manning A shootout is the saints best bet. FWIW the Colts defense is vastly improved from a year ago and in games without Freeney they are statistically the same.

Since Brees joined the Saints in 2006, he beats Manning in every major statistical category. Inlcuding QB ranking. The Saints have had the #1 offense 3 of those 4 years. The Colts haven't been top 5 in the past 2 years. Brees has thrown more TDs than Manning each of those years, except for this year where they're tied.

The only thing Manning has in that span that Brees doesn't is one Super Bowl win.

 

[jonnythan]

OK turns out my stats were slightly off. Here's an expanded post, since I can't edit the previous one:

Since Brees joined the Saints in 2006, he beats Manning in most major statistical categories: completions, completion percentage, yards per attempt, and yards. Tied for TDs. QB rating is within one point. Over the past 2 years, Brees has almost 1000 more yards, 8 more TDs, and over half a yard more per attempt with the same number of INTs for a passer rating of 102.2 compared to Manning's 97.5.

The Saints have had the #1 offense 3 of those 4 years. The Colts haven't been top 5 in the past 2 years. Brees has thrown more TDs than Manning each of those years, except for this year where they're tied.

The only thing Manning has in that span that Brees doesn't is one Super Bowl win. Back in 2006.

It's not hard to argue that since Brees joined the Saints, and especially in the past 2 years, Brees has been a better QB than Manning. Also remember that before this year, Manning hadn't won a playoff game since 2006.

 

[gmichael]

But who got voted MVP of the entire NFL?

 

[jonnythan]

But who got voted MVP of the entire NFL?

MVP isn't exactly an objective measure of anything.

Manning was voted MVP, Brees was voted the Air Player of the Year. They each have an Offensive Player of the Year award, with Brees' award coming in 2008 and Manning's way back in 2004.

I'm not really sure if anyone could make a real case for Manning being the better QB in the past 2 years, especially this past year. In 2009 Brees had more TDs, a higher completion percentage, more yards per attempt, fewer interceptions, and a QB rating almost 10 full points above Manning.

 

[gmichael]

MVP isn't exactly an objective measure of anything.

Manning was voted MVP, Brees was voted the Air Player of the Year. They each have an Offensive Player of the Year award, with Brees' award coming in 2008 and Manning's way back in 2004.

I'm not really sure if anyone could make a real case for Manning being the better QB in the past 2 years, especially this past year. In 2009 Brees had more TDs, a higher completion percentage, more yards per attempt, fewer interceptions, and a QB rating almost 10 full points above Manning.

Apparently the professionals who voted think he is better. That make a pretty good case to me.

 

[jonnythan]

Apparently the professionals who voted think he is better. That make a pretty good case to me.

You put that much stock in the opinion of sportswriters? That's who decides the MVP, you know. Give me a break.

Manning hasn't done anything on the field this year that Brees hasn't done at least as well if not better except be named Manning. He threw five more INTs, threw for fewer yards per pass, and completed fewer of his passes.

 

[gmichael]

You put that much stock in the opinion of sportswriters? That's who decides the MVP, you know. Give me a break.

Manning hasn't done anything on the field this year that Brees hasn't done at least as well if not better except be named Manning. He threw five more INTs, threw for fewer yards per pass, and completed fewer of his passes.

Should I put more stock into the opinion of someone who is not involved in the NFL at all?

Oh, and is a little biased towards his favorite team?

Not that that's a bad thing.

 

[MinusTheBear]

I would predict that if there was a vote amongst GM's, coaches and players I think there would be an unanimous decision in favor of Peyton Manning. Brees is great, but nobody has command over an offense to the degree of Manning and the ability to take over an entire game by himeself (this is what separates Manning from Brees). Pinpoint accuracy, arm strength, the ability to read defenses, calls his owns plays, runs no huddle - he is the complete package.

Brees as an unbelievable QB, top 3 no doubt. Stats don't tell you everything and can sometimes be misleading. For example the QB rating is one of the most flawed statistics in all of sports. Based on the forumala in some cases I have seen this year a quarterback threw 3 incompletions to end a game and his quarterback rating went up!

 

[sawzalot]

LOL Kolb

Who is Kolb? I hope you do send Nabb and Vick packing it would be a great way to insure you don't compete next year too. Nothing like beating the Eagles. Mike S has taken over Washington so that move might land you where you guys belong at the bottom of the division.

Of course if Romo comes back down to himself you might have competition down there.

This post by you just shows me one thing , you are clueless about most football related facts and stats, do you really think that you have even a small amount of factual evidence against K Kolb to give you a remote chance at bashing if so please post said stats right here and right now, I would even say go back to college days ??? The man has proven that he is a player so much that in fact he set a brand new record as to being the very first QB to ever go back to back first starts in the NFL with 300 plus yards in each game, win or lose he threw for more yards than Romo could have ever imagined, LOL louder..
I believe that you are very confused with only one stat , the INT by Reid when we played the Ravens, well K Kolb should not have been pushed to the lions that day but D Nabb was a pu$$y against the Ravens and really A Reid had zero choice at the time but I am sure he regrets it now. K Kolb could amount to a hill of beans , but I remember you Dallass fans saying the very same thing about Tony Homo, lol..

 

[bandphan]

Since Brees joined the Saints in 2006, he beats Manning in every major statistical category. Inlcuding QB ranking. The Saints have had the #1 offense 3 of those 4 years. The Colts haven't been top 5 in the past 2 years. Brees has thrown more TDs than Manning each of those years, except for this year where they're tied.

The only thing Manning has in that span that Brees doesn't is one Super Bowl win.

The bottom line is that Manning is the better QB, and other than homers, anyone with knowledge will know it. Brees is a good QB, but if the game is on the line, who do you think pros would choose?

 

[MinusTheBear]

The bottom line is that Manning is the better QB, and other than homers, anyone with knowledge will know it. Brees is a good QB, but if the game is on the line, who do you think pros would choose?

What other QB can effect coaching decisions when he is not even on the field. Look at the case study of Patriots Vs Colts late in the 4th going for it on that 4th and 1-2. Even Billichick is scared of him, rightfully so.

 

[lsiberian]

This post by you just shows me one thing , you are clueless about most football related facts and stats, do you really think that you have even a small amount of factual evidence against K Kolb to give you a remote chance at bashing if so please post said stats right here and right now, I would even say go back to college days ??? The man has proven that he is a player so much that in fact he set a brand new record as to being the very first QB to ever go back to back first starts in the NFL with 300 plus yards in each game, win or lose he threw for more yards than Romo could have ever imagined, LOL louder...

You mean unless he plays the Eagles. In which case he's got no problem getting 300 yards. Not that he needs to throw for 300 yards when we have a three running backs that are sick.

However this is a pointless argument because we both know Kolb's not starting next year. D Nabb is Reid's man.

 

[lsiberian]

The bottom line is that Manning is the better QB, and other than homers, anyone with knowledge will know it. Brees is a good QB, but if the game is on the line, who do you think pros would choose?

We'll find out Sunday who's really the best. I'm excited. Overtime here we come.

 

[lsiberian]

I would predict that if there was a vote amongst GM's, coaches and players I think there would be an unanimous decision in favor of Peyton Manning.

Well I think you'd have some Brees voters in that group.

 

[gmichael]

We'll find out Sunday who's really the best. I'm excited. Overtime here we come.

We'll get to find out who wins. Who is the best is a debate that will continue no matter who wins. It will just benifit one side of the argument.
OT sounds like a great idea. Can you say DOT?

 

[gmichael]

Well I think you'd have some Brees voters in that group.

No doubt a few others as well. Payton is not the only good/great QB in the league.

 

[jrcorwin]

Colts will win. Was it ever in doubt?

 

[lsiberian]

No doubt a few others as well. Payton is not the only good/great QB in the league.

Yeah Brady, Big Ben, Rivers(if your darien)

I honestly think Best is usually overused. I'd say Montana was the greatest QB of all time. Others would say Marino or Johnny Unitas. The reality is there are a lot of great QBs in history. Just as there are now. Just being a starter in the NFL is great accomplishment.

Manning ranked 6th in QB rating and had a very high amount of picks. 7th in the league. He also had 10 sacks while those ahead of him in INTs had 20 or more sacks.

Statistically Peyton had a pretty weak year for Peyton. Brees had a monster year best him in every category almost. Stats don't lie.

media is built off of hype not facts. If it were facts based Peyton wouldn't have been MVP IMO.

 

[lsiberian]

Colts will win. Was it ever in doubt?

It would be a surprise to me. Not that I wouldn't mind seeing Manning get another ring.

 

[gmichael]

Yeah Brady, Big Ben, Rivers(if your darien)

I honestly think Best is usually overused. I'd say Montana was the greatest QB of all time. Others would say Marino or Johnny Unitas. The reality is there are a lot of great QBs in history. Just as there are now. Just being a starter in the NFL is great accomplishment.

Manning ranked 6th in QB rating and had a very high amount of picks. 7th in the league. He also had 10 sacks while those ahead of him in INTs had 20 or more sacks.

Statistically Peyton had a pretty weak year for Peyton. Brees had a monster year best him in every category almost. Stats don't lie.

media is built off of hype not facts. If it were facts based Peyton wouldn't have been MVP IMO.

But stats don't always win games. If you look at the most important stat (wins) you'll see that Peyton is 16-0 in games he's completed this year. Brees is 15-3.