William Lemmerhirt Audioholic Overlord Jan 8, 2017 12,005 0 113 52 Jan 3, 2024 #41 lovinthehd said: Maybe DTS made an offer that Oppenheimer couldn't refuse? Click to expand... Nah. Chris Nolan. Typical Reactions: MidwestAB and Danzilla31
lovinthehd said: Maybe DTS made an offer that Oppenheimer couldn't refuse? Click to expand... Nah. Chris Nolan. Typical
lovinthehd Audioholic Jedi Sep 11, 2012 44,878 0 113 Oakridge, OR Jan 3, 2024 #42 William Lemmerhirt said: Nah. Chris Nolan. Typical Click to expand... Made me pull out a few discs, seems he may have made a Dolby to DTS transition in the Batman series....but I don't have all his stuff.
William Lemmerhirt said: Nah. Chris Nolan. Typical Click to expand... Made me pull out a few discs, seems he may have made a Dolby to DTS transition in the Batman series....but I don't have all his stuff.
AcuDefTechGuy Audioholic Jedi Jul 10, 2007 34,058 0 113 Jan 3, 2024 #43 William Lemmerhirt said: Nah. Chris Nolan. Typical Click to expand... Can’t teach that old dog any new tricks. Reactions: Danzilla31
William Lemmerhirt said: Nah. Chris Nolan. Typical Click to expand... Can’t teach that old dog any new tricks.
AcuDefTechGuy Audioholic Jedi Jul 10, 2007 34,058 0 113 Jan 3, 2024 #44 lovinthehd said: Made me pull out a few discs, seems he may have made a Dolby to DTS transition in the Batman series....but I don't have all his stuff. Click to expand... I just looked. Even “The Prestige” was in DTS-HD MA.
lovinthehd said: Made me pull out a few discs, seems he may have made a Dolby to DTS transition in the Batman series....but I don't have all his stuff. Click to expand... I just looked. Even “The Prestige” was in DTS-HD MA.
N Nicholas Caged Animal Enthusiast Jan 4, 2021 10 0 1 44 Jan 3, 2024 #45 To the casual consumer, Atmos may seem like overkill, it does still add something. I have 4 of the upward firing ATmos speakers and it definitely adds something with helicopters, rainfall and shootouts when you turn up the volume. The greater the volume, the greater the effect. Reactions: Danzilla31 and AcuDefTechGuy
To the casual consumer, Atmos may seem like overkill, it does still add something. I have 4 of the upward firing ATmos speakers and it definitely adds something with helicopters, rainfall and shootouts when you turn up the volume. The greater the volume, the greater the effect.
H Hobbit Audioholic Chief Nov 26, 2012 783 0 28 Jan 3, 2024 #46 OK, what I don't like is everything they call "Dolby Atmos." There are two variations of it. 1) The version we think of. Adding ceiling or bouncy speakers to your home theater and watching something that supports Atmos. The codec decodes out a pcm signal for these speakers. There are emulations modes built into the AVR too. 2) Then there's the simulated version they have in cell phones and other places like soundbars and tv's. The one that's supposed to "add clarity and separation to give you a superior listening experience" by tricking your brain to perceive surround sound. I've seen Atmos soundbars that don't have any bouncy speakers (most). In the description they say things like; supports Dolby Atmos for "virtual surround sound" and "simulated surround and height-channel speakers create a spacious, lively soundstage" and yadi yada. The second version to me sounds more like a modern equivalent of converting stereo to Dolby Pro Logic.
OK, what I don't like is everything they call "Dolby Atmos." There are two variations of it. 1) The version we think of. Adding ceiling or bouncy speakers to your home theater and watching something that supports Atmos. The codec decodes out a pcm signal for these speakers. There are emulations modes built into the AVR too. 2) Then there's the simulated version they have in cell phones and other places like soundbars and tv's. The one that's supposed to "add clarity and separation to give you a superior listening experience" by tricking your brain to perceive surround sound. I've seen Atmos soundbars that don't have any bouncy speakers (most). In the description they say things like; supports Dolby Atmos for "virtual surround sound" and "simulated surround and height-channel speakers create a spacious, lively soundstage" and yadi yada. The second version to me sounds more like a modern equivalent of converting stereo to Dolby Pro Logic.
lovinthehd Audioholic Jedi Sep 11, 2012 44,878 0 113 Oakridge, OR Jan 3, 2024 #47 Hobbit said: OK, what I don't like is everything they call "Dolby Atmos." There are two variations of it. 1) The version we think of. Adding ceiling or bouncy speakers to your home theater and watching something that supports Atmos. The codec decodes out a pcm signal for these speakers. There are emulations modes built into the AVR too. 2) Then there's the simulated version they have in cell phones and other places like soundbars and tv's. The one that's supposed to "add clarity and separation to give you a superior listening experience" by tricking your brain to perceive surround sound. I've seen Atmos soundbars that don't have any bouncy speakers (most). In the description they say things like; supports Dolby Atmos for "virtual surround sound" and "simulated surround and height-channel speakers create a spacious, lively soundstage" and yadi yada. The second version to me sounds more like a modern equivalent of converting stereo to Dolby Pro Logic. Click to expand... The second version is perhaps a slight psychoacoustic step ahead of 2ch, which Dolby Pro Logic didn't address afaicr.
Hobbit said: OK, what I don't like is everything they call "Dolby Atmos." There are two variations of it. 1) The version we think of. Adding ceiling or bouncy speakers to your home theater and watching something that supports Atmos. The codec decodes out a pcm signal for these speakers. There are emulations modes built into the AVR too. 2) Then there's the simulated version they have in cell phones and other places like soundbars and tv's. The one that's supposed to "add clarity and separation to give you a superior listening experience" by tricking your brain to perceive surround sound. I've seen Atmos soundbars that don't have any bouncy speakers (most). In the description they say things like; supports Dolby Atmos for "virtual surround sound" and "simulated surround and height-channel speakers create a spacious, lively soundstage" and yadi yada. The second version to me sounds more like a modern equivalent of converting stereo to Dolby Pro Logic. Click to expand... The second version is perhaps a slight psychoacoustic step ahead of 2ch, which Dolby Pro Logic didn't address afaicr.
H Hobbit Audioholic Chief Nov 26, 2012 783 0 28 Jan 3, 2024 #48 lovinthehd said: The second version is perhaps a slight psychoacoustic step ahead of 2ch, which Dolby Pro Logic didn't address afaicr. Click to expand... Of course, DPL didn't. That was introduced nearly 40 years ago. Nonetheless, Atmos(v2) still alters the sound based on queues in the original soundtrack, like DPL. Now we're seeing AI enhanced sound creeping into new products. The Bose soundbar, for one, fixes dialogue problems using AI. I watch the original Midway on NF the other night. It, and Rollercoaster were the first movies I remember actually using subs and an advanced sound; Sensurround by CW. It shook the theaters. The infrastructure was not ready for it back then.
lovinthehd said: The second version is perhaps a slight psychoacoustic step ahead of 2ch, which Dolby Pro Logic didn't address afaicr. Click to expand... Of course, DPL didn't. That was introduced nearly 40 years ago. Nonetheless, Atmos(v2) still alters the sound based on queues in the original soundtrack, like DPL. Now we're seeing AI enhanced sound creeping into new products. The Bose soundbar, for one, fixes dialogue problems using AI. I watch the original Midway on NF the other night. It, and Rollercoaster were the first movies I remember actually using subs and an advanced sound; Sensurround by CW. It shook the theaters. The infrastructure was not ready for it back then.
Eppie Audioholic Ninja Jan 22, 2021 4,082 0 36 The Great White North Jan 4, 2024 #49 Another bot post with a spam link. Interesting how AI picks up the thread contents to make it appear authentic. Feel free to delete this post along with the one above. Reactions: isolar8001
Another bot post with a spam link. Interesting how AI picks up the thread contents to make it appear authentic. Feel free to delete this post along with the one above.
isolar8001 Audioholic Field Marshall Jan 11, 2023 1,729 0 36 70 Pittsburgh, Pa. Jan 4, 2024 #50 jhonwick0010 said: Bot says "What ???" Click to expand... Last edited: Jan 4, 2024
Eppie Audioholic Ninja Jan 22, 2021 4,082 0 36 The Great White North Jan 4, 2024 #51 isolar8001 said: I hate you so much now....way to go. Click to expand... Don't go quoting the bot post! The http link from the bot post that was deleted is now accessible in your quoted message. Reactions: isolar8001
isolar8001 said: I hate you so much now....way to go. Click to expand... Don't go quoting the bot post! The http link from the bot post that was deleted is now accessible in your quoted message.
isolar8001 Audioholic Field Marshall Jan 11, 2023 1,729 0 36 70 Pittsburgh, Pa. Jan 4, 2024 #52 Eppie said: Don't go quoting the bot post! The http link from the bot post that was deleted is now accessible in your quoted message. Click to expand... I know, sorry....it was just so funny. We see so much of this kind of thing here....must be that this old style forum is more prone to bot attacks.
Eppie said: Don't go quoting the bot post! The http link from the bot post that was deleted is now accessible in your quoted message. Click to expand... I know, sorry....it was just so funny. We see so much of this kind of thing here....must be that this old style forum is more prone to bot attacks.
panteragstk Audioholic Warlord Aug 14, 2012 8,258 0 113 New Braunfels, TX Jan 4, 2024 #53 isolar8001 said: I know, sorry....it was just so funny. We see so much of this kind of thing here....must be that this old style forum is more prone to bot attacks. Click to expand... Reddit, Twitter, and Facebook would disagree. So, so many bots. It's insane how many there are now. And how sophisticated they've gotten. But yeah, it does happen a lot. I just report them and move along. Don't let the bots WIN!!! Reactions: lovinthehd, Danzilla31 and Hobbit
isolar8001 said: I know, sorry....it was just so funny. We see so much of this kind of thing here....must be that this old style forum is more prone to bot attacks. Click to expand... Reddit, Twitter, and Facebook would disagree. So, so many bots. It's insane how many there are now. And how sophisticated they've gotten. But yeah, it does happen a lot. I just report them and move along. Don't let the bots WIN!!!
Teetertotter? Audioholic General Aug 31, 2020 1,006 0 36 83 Jan 5, 2024 #54 Thank you for this very entertaining thread, @shadyJ You learn something every day. I remember in the early 60's, you had to have a reverb for your car radio. Man, that was the deal. Just thought I'd inject some history. Reactions: isolar8001
Thank you for this very entertaining thread, @shadyJ You learn something every day. I remember in the early 60's, you had to have a reverb for your car radio. Man, that was the deal. Just thought I'd inject some history.
mtrycrafts Seriously, I have no life. Aug 19, 2004 23,550 0 113 Jan 5, 2024 #55 AcuDefTechGuy said: Understandable for sure. Some situations might be too much effort. And not everyone is lucky enough to have a good room for it. But, at the same time, I don't think it's fair to call something a "failure" just because we cannot have it in our homes. Click to expand... Yep, who would have thought in 1990 that we will have Atoms in 2020s. I would have designed room differently. Not going to rip it out and redo. Expiration date is getting too close.
AcuDefTechGuy said: Understandable for sure. Some situations might be too much effort. And not everyone is lucky enough to have a good room for it. But, at the same time, I don't think it's fair to call something a "failure" just because we cannot have it in our homes. Click to expand... Yep, who would have thought in 1990 that we will have Atoms in 2020s. I would have designed room differently. Not going to rip it out and redo. Expiration date is getting too close.
mtrycrafts Seriously, I have no life. Aug 19, 2004 23,550 0 113 Jan 5, 2024 #56 jinjuku said: This is the tearing into it part however. Now you have to cut drywall, fish cable, install mounting brackets, patch drywall, paint. I've been there and done that and it's a pain in the arse. Click to expand... Yep, it was a mess just to fish HDMI cable when it came on scene. Don't want to redesign and remodel room.
jinjuku said: This is the tearing into it part however. Now you have to cut drywall, fish cable, install mounting brackets, patch drywall, paint. I've been there and done that and it's a pain in the arse. Click to expand... Yep, it was a mess just to fish HDMI cable when it came on scene. Don't want to redesign and remodel room.
isolar8001 Audioholic Field Marshall Jan 11, 2023 1,729 0 36 70 Pittsburgh, Pa. Jan 5, 2024 #57 Teetertotter? said: Thank you for this very entertaining thread, @shadyJ You learn something every day. I remember in the early 60's, you had to have a reverb for your car radio. Man, that was the deal. Just thought I'd inject some history. Click to expand... Yeah...and those things and their home audio counterparts had actual springs inside them !! Crazy.
Teetertotter? said: Thank you for this very entertaining thread, @shadyJ You learn something every day. I remember in the early 60's, you had to have a reverb for your car radio. Man, that was the deal. Just thought I'd inject some history. Click to expand... Yeah...and those things and their home audio counterparts had actual springs inside them !! Crazy.
mtrycrafts Seriously, I have no life. Aug 19, 2004 23,550 0 113 Jan 5, 2024 #58 Danzilla31 said: My biggest peeve with 2 channel is it's great if I'm the sweet spot. But good luck being anywhere else. It's why I use a 3.1 setup in the bedroom .... Click to expand... Bell labs experimented with 3 front channels way, way back and stated that is needed. Reactions: lovinthehd
Danzilla31 said: My biggest peeve with 2 channel is it's great if I'm the sweet spot. But good luck being anywhere else. It's why I use a 3.1 setup in the bedroom .... Click to expand... Bell labs experimented with 3 front channels way, way back and stated that is needed.
3db Audioholic Slumlord Sep 7, 2002 16,486 0 113 65 Ottawa Canada Jan 5, 2024 #59 jinjuku said: The problem is the amount of effort that it takes to do it correctly. I've a basement that is a clean slate currently so it will be moderate effort. A finished space presents an issue. I wouldn't call someone lazy for not wanting to tear into a finished space. Click to expand... Agreed. I thought the bouncy speaker were impossible to work with conceptually based on trig and speaker-listener position placement. I dont think I would have went ATMOS either if I hadnt picked up a pair of inside/outside speakers with a very configurable mounting hardware.
jinjuku said: The problem is the amount of effort that it takes to do it correctly. I've a basement that is a clean slate currently so it will be moderate effort. A finished space presents an issue. I wouldn't call someone lazy for not wanting to tear into a finished space. Click to expand... Agreed. I thought the bouncy speaker were impossible to work with conceptually based on trig and speaker-listener position placement. I dont think I would have went ATMOS either if I hadnt picked up a pair of inside/outside speakers with a very configurable mounting hardware.
mtrycrafts Seriously, I have no life. Aug 19, 2004 23,550 0 113 Jan 5, 2024 #60 gene said: ... Dolby really watered it down, similar to what THX did by certifying everything but breakfast cereal. ... Click to expand... What? No wonder I cannot find it in stores. I will stop looking.
gene said: ... Dolby really watered it down, similar to what THX did by certifying everything but breakfast cereal. ... Click to expand... What? No wonder I cannot find it in stores. I will stop looking.
