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[AcuDefTechGuy]

I think listening to them was the right thing to do. But correct me if I’m wrong. Wasn’t your room built pre-Atmos? My comment was regarding post-Atmos placement. Big picture? Turn it up! Let er rip tater chip.

Yes, I installed the 4 ceiling speakers a few years after the house was done in 2017 - after I got the Yamaha CX-A5100 and wanted to try out Atmos.

I was stupid and didn't care for Atmos back in 2016 when I was building the house.

I thought that 5.1 was all I wanted and if I wanted Atmos later, I would install the speakers myself.

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

Yes, I installed the 4 ceiling speakers a few years after the house was done in 2017 - after I got the Yamaha CX-A5100 and wanted to try out Atmos.

I was stupid and didn't care for Atmos back in 2016 when I was building the house.

I thought that 5.1 was all I wanted and if I wanted Atmos later, I would install the speakers myself.

Isn’t hindsight a funny little thing? Lol. I’ve been bitten by it too many times.

 

[jakkedtide]

Yes, I installed the 4 ceiling speakers a few years after the house was done in 2017 - after I got the Yamaha CX-A5100 and wanted to try out Atmos.

I was stupid and didn't care for Atmos back in 2016 when I was building the house.

I thought that 5.1 was all I wanted and if I wanted Atmos later, I would install the speakers myself.

Maybe I am regretting not getting the 15 inch subs.

How big of a difference is it from 12s to 15s?

 

[ryanosaur]

Maybe I am regretting not getting the 15 inch subs.

How big of a difference is it from 12s to 15s?

Um...


If you have to ask about size...

 

[jakkedtide]

Um...


If you have to ask about size...

Haha well said, damn it!

 

[Replicant 7]

Maybe I am regretting not getting the 15 inch subs.

How big of a difference is it from 12s to 15s?

Andrew doesn't have just one 1, 15" Sub. He has 15 Subs in his setup, maybe more. He's a mad scientists with his HT setups.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Maybe I am regretting not getting the 15 inch subs.

How big of a difference is it from 12s to 15s?

Don’t worry about. If it sounds good, then it is good.

I used to own 15” and 18” subs, and I don’t miss them at all. It can be about size, number of drivers and subs, woofer materials, total cabinet volume, where they are placed and the room itself. All of the above matters.

But at the end of the day, if it sounds good….

 

[jakkedtide]

Don’t worry about. If it sounds good, then it is good.

I used to owned 15” and 18” subs, and I don’t miss them at all. It can be about size, number of drivers and subs, total volume, where they are placed and the room itself. All of the above matters.

But at the end of the day, if it sounds good….

Yeah my room isn't huge so two 12 inch subs work well, shakes the house still

 

[clone1008]

Maybe I am regretting not getting the 15 inch subs.

How big of a difference is it from 12s to 15s?

3

 

[jakkedtide]

3

Yes obviously! Lol but what about the sound?

 

[SithZedi]

Yes obviously! Lol but what about the sound?

My two cents, over the last three years I have fallen victim to the bigger subwoofer arms race.

I have gone from a Martin Logan Dynamo 700 (10 inch), to 1100X (12), and recently bought a used 1500XD (15).
All place same spot in room with some adjustments and a new Yamaha A6A.

A significant change every time, especially according to my wife and reaction of my dog.
You feel it physically. But as many have said, it's subjective.

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

Yes obviously! Lol but what about the sound?

Well as said above, it’s about the overall subwoofer system as much as the driver size. Iirc you have 120sw’s. They are only rated down to 29hz. While they may shake the house, you’re missing a lot of much deeper content. For example, the pb1000 pro is also a 12” sub, but goes much deeper than the Klipsch do. They may be more linear and controlled as well. Also keep in mind that deep bass has to be present in the content. Some have a lot, and some don’t. Some movies roll off at 25hz, and some go down to 10hz. Or even deeper!

 

[Pogre]

Maybe I am regretting not getting the 15 inch subs.

How big of a difference is it from 12s to 15s?

Really it depends on the sub. Some 12s can outperform some 15s. As a general rule tho, like the gearheads say, there's no replacement for displacement!

At one time I was under the misconception that a smaller sub would be "faster" or more articulate than a larger sub and was proved wrong by my own experience. The only difference for me going from 12s to 15s was better deep bass performance, and more of it. Sound quality or bass articulation did not suffer one bit. Everything was better. Largely in part because I have a huge room and 12s struggled in it.

 

[Pogre]

Well as said above, it’s about the overall subwoofer system as much as the driver size. Iirc you have 120sw’s. They are only rated down to 29hz. While they may shake the house, you’re missing a lot of much deeper content. For example, the pb1000 pro is also a 12” sub, but goes much deeper than the Klipsch do. They may be more linear and controlled as well. Also keep in mind that deep bass has to be present in the content. Some have a lot, and some don’t. Some movies roll off at 25hz, and some go down to 10hz. Or even deeper!

Oh boy, yeah. I had 12" Klipsch subs and there's no comparison with my current 15" HSUs. It made a world of difference.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Well as said above, it’s about the overall subwoofer system as much as the driver size. Iirc you have 120sw’s. They are only rated down to 29hz. While they may shake the house, you’re missing a lot of much deeper content. For example, the pb1000 pro is also a 12” sub, but goes much deeper than the Klipsch do. They may be more linear and controlled as well. Also keep in mind that deep bass has to be present in the content. Some have a lot, and some don’t. Some movies roll off at 25hz, and some go down to 10hz. Or even deeper!

Well, most adults can't even hear much below 30Hz, especially below 25Hz.

We can feel the vibrations from the sound waves below 20Hz.

But vibrations from sound waves at 30-60Hz have a lot more ENERGY/FORCE than sound waves at 10-20Hz.

I think @TLS Guy talked about this before, but I think he might have said 40-80Hz.

@PENG can also discuss the Engineering/Physics aspects of the Force/Energy from the sound waves of different frequencies.

 

[Pogre]

Well, most adults can't even hear much below 30Hz, especially below 25Hz.

We can feel the vibrations from the sound waves below 20Hz.

But vibrations from sound waves at 30-60Hz have a lot more ENERGY/FORCE than sound waves at 10-20Hz.

I think @TLS Guy talked about this before, but I think he might have said 40-80Hz.

@PENG can also discuss the Engineering/Physics aspects of the Force/Energy from the sound waves of different frequencies.

Oh I dunno, I can hear a 25 hz tone. It does start getting into the realm of feeling it more than hearing it, but I can definitely hear down to 25 hz. 20 hz is difficult for me, but the tactile sensation is for sure there and adds to the experience.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Yeah my room isn't huge so two 12 inch subs work well, shakes the house still

.....But you want them to break all the glasses and bring down the house?

Or you just have upgraditis and want something different just because you can.

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

Oh boy, yeah. I had 12" Klipsch subs and there's no comparison with my current 15" HSUs. It made a world of difference.

I hear that! I have three 12’s with extension to about 15-15hz. My airspace is very large like yours and I do pucker up once in awhile. I agree with no replacement for displacement and moving air in those low frequencies is much more efficient with bigger drivers. Simple. I will add to this in the transducer thread. Lol

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

Well, most adults can't even hear much below 30Hz, especially below 25Hz.

We can feel the vibrations from the sound waves below 20Hz.

But vibrations from sound waves at 30-60Hz have a lot more ENERGY/FORCE than sound waves at 10-20Hz.

I think @TLS Guy talked about this before, but I think he might have said 40-80Hz.

@PENG can also discuss the Engineering/Physics aspects of the Force/Energy from the sound waves of different frequencies.

In my room I can hear down to 20ish. I think the biggest factor is spl. Doesn’t matter if your subs are good to 10hz if it’s only at 50db. Lol.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Oh I dunno, I can hear a 25 hz tone. It does start getting into the realm of feeling it more than hearing it, but I can definitely hear down to 25 hz. 20 hz is difficult for me, but the tactile sensation is for sure there and adds to the experience.

Do you think the "tactile sensation" or vibration from the frequencies below 20Hz is more powerful (more energy, more force in shaking your body and walls) than from frequencies above 40Hz?

In other words, when the VERY POWERFUL sound waves from 30-80Hz are shaking your body and your walls, can you even feel the much less powerful sound waves below 20Hz?