Some words regarding Neal Young removing his music from Spotify.

[cpp]

they jacked up my rate.

I've had the same xm rate since 2010. $130.24.. I just complain, every year when the renewal notification hits my inbox etc... they give ya the run around and I note, I'll stay if I can have the same rate I had last year, which was the same rate I had the year before et. I don't utilize XM for the music quality just for plain old having music there and the other items on there along with music. The wife uses it more than I since she is an Elvis fan.

 

[Swerd]

I don't listen to Joe Rogan's outpourings on Spotify, or anywhere else. Life is too short to waste on that. So why am I joining in here?

Joe Rogan carefully words things to be just one step milder than the hardcore anti-vaxers, his true competition. He throws in such statements in a transparent effort to be able to deny his statements in the future. It's as if he has lawyers standing over his shoulders as he speaks. I don't know if those lawyers work for him, or work for Spotify, but he is clearly aiming for future deniability. Don't confuse that for being genuinely curious and open to all possible lines of thought.

Rogan invites, as guests on his show, people such as Robert Malone. Malone, despite his scientific past, has recently made a name for himself by being vocal against the Corona virus vaccines. His claims are false, and have been proven to be baseless. I won't go into all the reasons why he is wrong, but one stands out as an obvious conflict of interest. Malone is, or has been, on the board of directors of three small pharmaceutical startup companies that are trying to develop medications meant to treat people already infected with Corona virus. Vaccines could only hurt those efforts. Rogan probably knows all that but it didn't prevent him from letting Malone talk on his podcast. Malone has already lost the ability to spew anti-vaccine nonsense on Twitter, so he can only rely on podcasts such as Rogan's.

Robert W. Malone - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Sometime last fall, Rogan gained notoriety by claiming he was infected with Covid-19. He refused to answer questions about whether he was vaccinated or not, but he touted such debunked treatments as Ivermectin, as well others. Personally, I wonder if he was ever infected. This could easily have been a publicity stunt to gain attention for his podcast.

In my view, Rogan falls in with those who deny the effectiveness of vaccines against Covid-19. His efforts at softening his false claims are not convincing.

More links:

What the Joe Rogan podcast controversy says about the online misinformation ecosystem

More than a thousand health professionals are calling on Spotify to crack down on COVID-19 falsehoods aired on the podcast of the company's most popular host.

www.npr.org

An Open Letter to Spotify

An Open Letter to Spotify: A call from the global scientific and medical communities to implement a misinformation policy On Dec. 31, 2021, the Joe Rogan Experience (JRE), a Spotify-exclusive podca…

spotifyopenletter.wordpress.com

 

[Swerd]

Here's my second opinion on Joe Rogan – he's ugly.

His face reminds me of those old political cartoons by Herb Block. He wasn't cartooning Joe Rogan, but the menace of nuclear weapons.

 

[Pogre]

Here's my second opinion on Joe Rogan – he's ugly.
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His face reminds me of those old political cartoons by Herb Block. He wasn't cartooning Joe Rogan, but the menace of nuclear weapons.
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He's the first to admit that too, but for 54 years old he ain't doing too bad!

Like I said, I've listened to his podcast from the start. Way before he got big. He never intended it to get big. It was almost just a one off thing but he just kept at it and grew. Joe has always put out disclaimers and carefully chose his words, even as early as his very first podcasts before lawyers or anything else. Just him and a couple of buddies being goofballs and telling stories. He's not a dumb person, contrary to popular belief. He's prone to some conspiratorial thinking but is open to being proven wrong, and has changed his stance on a lot of things right on his show.

He's a good conversationalist and asks very good, sometimes difficult questions. I think that may be part of the problem. Some people don't like his questions and concerns he's voiced, and he's made a few experts squirm and give replies to questions that you can tell they didn't want to answer.

I understand some of the hubbub but there's a picture being painted of Joe that I don't think is accurate and I think it's being overblown. So far it seems like the most vocal opponents against him here haven't even listened to his podcast...

 

[Trell]

Joe has always put out disclaimers and carefully chose his words, even as early as his very first podcasts before lawyers or anything else.

From your YouTube clip and what I read is why I thought his walk-back in April 2021 did not appear sincere, otherwise I don't know much about him. Swerd has added to that, though.

 

[jinjuku]

Apparently, someone with some clout and reach found it an issue, and here we are.

Look, artists work are artists work. I don't have any issue with them taking their toys with them and exiting the room.

I have an issue when they weaponize said toys.

There's a difference although, IMO, it's lost on people.

 

[SithZedi]

I stopped using XM after they removed the main channel I listened to, merged with Sirius, the audio quality went to crap and they jacked up my rate.

I hear you. Most of there channels are very repetitive after a while. Even if a musician has a huge catalogue of material, they play the same top 15 or 20 songs

 

[jinjuku]

I don't listen to Joe Rogan's outpourings on Spotify, or anywhere else. Life is too short to waste on that. So why am I joining in here?

Joe Rogan carefully words things to be just one step milder than the hardcore anti-vaxers, his true competition. He throws in such statements in a transparent effort to be able to deny his statements in the future. It's as if he has lawyers standing over his shoulders as he speaks. I don't know if those lawyers work for him, or work for Spotify, but he is clearly aiming for future deniability. Don't confuse that for being genuinely curious and open to all possible lines of thought.

Rogan invites, as guests on his show, people such as Robert Malone. Malone, despite his scientific past, has recently made a name for himself by being vocal against the Corona virus vaccines. His claims are false, and have been proven to be baseless. I won't go into all the reasons why he is wrong, but one stands out as an obvious conflict of interest. Malone is, or has been, on the board of directors of three small pharmaceutical startup companies that are trying to develop medications meant to treat people already infected with Corona virus. Vaccines could only hurt those efforts. Rogan probably knows all that but it didn't prevent him from letting Malone talk on his podcast. Malone has already lost the ability to spew anti-vaccine nonsense on Twitter, so he can only rely on podcasts such as Rogan's.

Robert W. Malone - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Sometime last fall, Rogan gained notoriety by claiming he was infected with Covid-19. He refused to answer questions about whether he was vaccinated or not, but he touted such debunked treatments as Ivermectin, as well others. Personally, I wonder if he was ever infected. This could easily have been a publicity stunt to gain attention for his podcast.

In my view, Rogan falls in with those who deny the effectiveness of vaccines against Covid-19. His efforts at softening his false claims are not convincing.

More links:

What the Joe Rogan podcast controversy says about the online misinformation ecosystem

More than a thousand health professionals are calling on Spotify to crack down on COVID-19 falsehoods aired on the podcast of the company's most popular host.

www.npr.org

An Open Letter to Spotify

An Open Letter to Spotify: A call from the global scientific and medical communities to implement a misinformation policy On Dec. 31, 2021, the Joe Rogan Experience (JRE), a Spotify-exclusive podca…

spotifyopenletter.wordpress.com

I agree with all your points. I do not need NY and JM to be my savior in this.

I've got a functioning brain. I've listened to the Dr. Malone JR podcast now and he came across as sour grapes.

NY and JM are doing this thing:

"White liberals dumb down their speech when talking to minorities"

I find them patronizing at this point.

 

[Trell]

Look, artists work are artists work. I don't have any issue with them taking their toys with them and exiting the room.

I have an issue when they weaponize said toys.

There's a difference although, IMO, it's lost on people.

By “weaponizing” you mean companies like Spotify can’t just ignore him and continue with business as usual, in stark contrast to the rest of us?

 

[panteragstk]

I would argue that he's better than Alex Jones. Jesus- what choices we have......well, the choice to not listen would be best.

They're friends, so not much better.

 

[lovinthehd]

They're friends, so not much better.

If true that's sad.

 

[panteragstk]

If true that's sad.

He said that to one of his guests. They were talking about guns and Joe said something like "oh hey, we should get Alex Jones to come with us to the range". I was surprised since I figured Joe would make fun of how much of a jackass windbag (being very nice) Alex is.

 

[lovinthehd]

He said that to one of his guests. They were talking about guns and Joe said something like "oh hey, we should get Alex Jones to come with us to the range". I was surprised since I figured Joe would make fun of how much of a jackass windbag (being very nice) Alex is.

King of the jackass windbags now that Rush is gone....maybe Joe is aiming for that space....

 

[Pogre]

They're friends, so not much better.

If true that's sad.

It's true. Joe even says he loves Alex. He also says he thinks Alex is a loon and brought his problems on himself, but yeah. They were friendly and Joe's had him on a couple of times. Even after Alex accused joe of being a left wing shill and possibly a reptile or some poop (true story. Well, the shill part anyway, lol).

 

[Swerd]

I understand some of the hubbub but there's a picture being painted of Joe that I don't think is accurate and I think it's being overblown. So far it seems like the most vocal opponents against him here haven't even listened to his podcast...

Joe Rogan may be ugly looking, but that's not my real point. His online words are much uglier. He's trying to ride the wave of anti-vaccine opinion, and trying to make money while doing it. This is while there are nearly 900,000 dead from the pandemic in the USA alone. And that's not counting all the people who died from Covid-19 without a confirmed diagnosis, much less people outside the USA.

To make matters worse, Rogan is trying to do this while posing as 'fair and balanced'. There cannot be two sides to the question of vaccinations during a killer pandemic. Joe Rogan can't have it both ways. Unless he rejects all those 'alternatives' to vaccination, he's no better than the Death Cult extremists on Faux News, and elsewhere, each day.

 

[lovinthehd]

It's true. Joe even says he loves Alex. He also says he thinks Alex is a loon and brought his problems on himself, but yeah. They were friendly and Joe's had him on a couple of times. Even after Alex accused joe of being a left wing shill and possibly a reptile or some poop (true story. Well, the shill part anyway, lol).

No accounting for taste. That's good enough reason for me to boycott the Rogan....

 

[Pogre]

Joe Rogan may be ugly looking, but that's not my real point. His online words are much uglier. He's trying to ride the wave of anti-vaccine opinion, and trying to make money while doing it. This is while there are nearly 900,000 dead from the pandemic in the USA alone. And that's not counting all the people who died from Covid-19 without a confirmed diagnosis, much less people outside the USA.

To make matters worse, Rogan is trying to do this while posing as 'fair and balanced'. There cannot be two sides to the question of vaccinations during a killer pandemic. Joe Rogan can't have it both ways. Unless he rejects all those 'alternatives' to vaccination, he's no better than the Death Cult extremists on Faux News, and elsewhere, each day.

I dont think he's doing that. I just don't. I've listened to his podcast for 20 years and I really do think he tries to do what he thinks is right. This isn't about notoriety, money or fame for him. He's already set for life. He doesn't gaf about fame and got out of acting because he can't stand the fakeness of Hollywood and he thinks actors are some of the worst people on the planet. His podcast took off and became popular because he's a genuine, real guy and says what he thinks. Sometimes to his detriment, but will and has admitted when he's been wrong.

I don't totally agree with everything he says, but I'm still looking for an example of him yelling fire in a crowded theater.

 

[Pogre]

No accounting for taste. That's good enough reason for me to boycott the Rogan....

I... totally understand, lol. I do.

 

[jinjuku]

His online words are much uglier

Which are? I still haven't had anyone link to the smoking gun.

It's obvious I'm 100% pro vaccine and the efficacy that the data represents. I even started the thread about people refusing the vaccine paying out of pocket for their care.

Just because someone has the opinion, and I do believe it to be incorrect, about if you should get vaccinated or not, does not rise to the level of a disinformation campaign.

I'm going to reserve my opinion on this until someone can show me video/s of the real denial that is causing harm.

Let me ask this another way:

I think we've all been in threads before where one of us has held a position and done a great job of supporting it. The last thread for me personally was finding that Synergistic Research is using a repacked $15 TP-Link. I didn't just do a cheap "because I said" or "everyone else is saying it so the plural mis-information is information".

I went and factually supported my supposition. Is this too hard of an ask? I'll be the first to support the removal of denier podcasts if someone can show me.

 

[jinjuku]

In my view, Rogan falls in with those who deny the effectiveness of vaccines against Covid-19. His efforts at softening his false claims are not convincing.

And if you're a half intelligent individual you know the published data on vaccine efficacy just buries JR.

If you're all the way un-intelligent (my younger brother, my uncle) there's not a goddamned thing ANYONE can tell them that will change their mind.

I agree that interview about him contracting Covid and not yet being vaccinated was a totally self centered and without much thought put into it. It's his opinion. He's welcome to it. It's not a disinformation campaign.