Yamaha AVENTAGE 2021 AV Receivers Bulk Up on Power and 8K Features

[AcuDefTechGuy]

I wish, but unfortunately for a one man operation that measures more than one device in any given week, this will never happen.

So you think thanks to Gene, Yamaha will now get their Center Channel and Surround channels to 0.007% THD and Amir will never even measure them?

 

[PENG]

I’ve said this a few things before.

But I‘ve had clients who switched from Yamaha to Denon and Marantz because it seems some of my clients care very much about those THD+N numbers!

Some changed their minds from Yamaha CX-A5200 and A8A to Denon X8500HA, some actually changed from AV8805A to X8500HA just because of the 0.0007% THD+N of the 8500.

Personally, maybe I care a lot more about these measurements when I was much younger. But these days I care more about the WiFi remote and music streamer app and home audio integration of MusicCast than any numbers.

And maybe it’s because I am a hospital pharmacist of 26 Years, not an engineer (although I started out in college as an engineer major for 2 years).

I can imagine you losing some potential customer because you are a honest dealer who don't just pass on the hearsay. That is, you likely won't try to tell someone choosing between D and M to buy M because M has the warm sound. I bet most, at least the majority of the dealers would.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

I can tell you one thing, that you are the only dealer I know who actually do believe in specs and measurements can tell if one device would sound different than another, let alone different means "better" or not. That is, you are the "objective" type, in the sense that you don't just go by your ears/brains, knowing that they can be fooled. That's yourself, but if your potential customers ask (I suppose you might have actually been asked such kind of questions before..) whether the A6A will sound better than the X4700H if REQ is not used, what would be your response?

Some of them do ask. And I tell them the same thing every time. Regardless of any numbers, I believe 100% that all these AVR, AVP and amps sound EQUALLY great as long as their setup and settings are good.

It doesn’t matter if it’s a Denon, Marantz, Yamaha, NAD, Storm Audio, ATI, DataSat, Theta Digital, etc.

But personally, I would still own a Yamaha.

 

[Teetertotter?]

It's in the SPEAKERS for quality of sound. Didn't you all know that? Next, buy what AVR or Speakers, one can afford or not. Better buy now as pricing will continue to go up, I'm afraid.

 

[Replicant 7]

Same here!

@PENG, there really isn't many on AH that can back up their post with credibility. Gene of course, You, Doc, Andrew, umm a a few others MCode comes to mind. I hope you know, I'm jacking around about the, Denon this Yamaha that thingie. There All good gear to own. I came very close to owning my 1st Denon 4700H, it came down to price. Plus Andrew said he couldn't get one at the time, or was it he said he would de-friend me. Anyways with members like You, Doc, Gene and the other's, AH would be no better than lesser forums like AVS, Polk, Emotiva forum where bias rules.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

I can imagine you losing some potential customer because you are a honest dealer who don't just pass on the hearsay. That is, you likely won't try to tell someone choosing between D and M to buy M because M has the warm sound. I bet most, at least the majority of the dealers would.

I treat everyone like they are my PATIENT.

If I don’t feel GOOD about selling people something, then it’s time I quit being a dealer.

Being a dealer is still just a hobby for me. So the hobby has to be fun and makes me feel good.

 

[PENG]

So you think thanks to Gene, Yamaha will now get their Center Channel and Surround channels to 0.007% THD and Amir will never even measure them?

I think the chance Yamaha will do something soon is very low but may eventually do because they now know some reviewers have the facts. I also think Amir would measure any channel but only if specifically requested by the owner, or enough members asked for it. I was one of those (don't know if it was just me) who ask him to measure the center channel of the very well measured AVR-X3600H.

Same with the 5 channel driven test, those were also done because members asked for it, and he still won't do it every time. It is easy to see that he wanted to do more (by nature) but he just doesn't have time. On the AH side, I wish Gene would measure IMD every time, and DF, but again I understand he has more important things to do than to measure the stupid and dumb AVRs that a lot of people would say don't bother anyway, just ask the Doc...

 

[Replicant 7]

It's in the SPEAKERS for quality of sound. Didn't you all know that? Next, buy what AVR or Speakers, one can afford or not. Better buy now as pricing will continue to go up, I'm afraid.

Well stated, the members who know me, know I stand firm like most who know, with all things being equal, All are gonna sound the same. Yep, speakers is where you Will get a difference in sound quality, of course room acoustics will play a lot into that factor.

 

[PENG]

Some of them do ask. And I tell them the same thing every time. Regardless of any numbers, I believe 100% that all these AVR, AVP and amps sound EQUALLY great as long as their setup and settings are good.

It doesn’t matter if it’s a Denon, Marantz, Yamaha, NAD, Storm Audio, ATI, DataSat, Theta Digital, etc.

But personally, I would still own a Yamaha.

Appreciate your honesty, I think some dealers (except those who do it as a hobby) may want to be completely honest with their customers too but they are under pressure to sell more.

 

[Replicant 7]

You guys seen that mini-series called “Dopesick”? It’s an awesome TV series. It basically crucified Oxycontin.

It kind of pissed me off a little because I‘ve been doing pain management at my hospital for 26 years now. And I’ve been writing orders for Oxycontin + Oxy-IR for the last 26 years.

And here is this show that basically said I’ve been giving people Oxycontin poison that will ruin their lives or maybe has ruined their lives. I was like, jeez damnnnnnnnnnnn, thanks a lot.

Yeah, but isn't it their Doctor that prescribes the prescription? Sooo you in the clear brother! It's on the Doctor he knows that oxycodone is highly addictive.

 

[Replicant 7]

On a more serious note, the Yamaha did better in the other 4 channels as far as the pre outs are concerned, its power amps did not do as good but again we are just comparing numbers.

True, but still Yamaha could or should do better. It's not like they just jumped into manufacturing avr's.

 

[Replicant 7]

I can imagine you losing some potential customer because you are a honest dealer who don't just pass on the hearsay. That is, you likely won't try to tell someone choosing between D and M to buy M because M has the warm sound. I bet most, at least the majority of the dealers would.

I believe that's one criteria why brick and mortar audio dealers fail. Being bias in my opinion is an Achilles heel for failure in any business.

 

[Majorusa]

Let me take you out of this sidetrack battle Yamaha vs Denon by discussing real issues on the Yamaha RX-A8A. I mentioned that I have a pop on random speakers when changing sound from Atmos to something else on TV apps or the source from TV to other source or from TV app to regular TV. A year ago, Tuesday, December 28, my LG 55 OLED C1 updated to latest firmware 03.21.05. Today trying to reproduce the pop to video it for Yamaha support I noticed that the pop was gone. Both in changing sources and changing sound from Atmos to something else. I have an European model and Yamaha messaged me last week that they "have asked again all team members from all over Europe and we have still no other cases with these mentioned popping sounds". I will further test but I think that for me the issue is resolved. Since it was resolved by a firmware upgrade of the TV one might reason that it was a communication issue between the TV and the AVR.

 

[clone1008]

one might reason that it was a communication issue between the TV and the AVR.

One might also reason that your issue was the TV and the A8A.

 

[Am_P]

I wrote that measurements are a part of what I look at when purchasing, but an important part.

Last year I bought the RME ADI-2 DAC FS for it’s features and the decades long track record RME has shown supporting their devices, including drivers. There are better measuring DACs but lacking features like Dynamic Loudness or Auto Reference Levels for the outputs. The RME does measure very well though.

I had this RME on my 2 channel setup and i sold it after i bought a 'far from stellar measuring' (non-golfing pinkpanther) Denafrips R2R...

Measurements should only serve as an indicator of competent engineering. Above a threshold of acceptable/competent measurement, you would be fooling yourself if you a) didn't actually listen to things and decide what sounds good to your ears b) look at a list of features and see what works for you.

If these ASR guys were not shown any headless panthers on golfing panthers a priori and asked to pick something in a A/B test, you'd be surprised what they pick. It would be so funny to watch. Their whole platform of hostility and dictatorship in pursuit of "truth" will crumble. But, It is understandable perhaps why these dudes have become this way (an industry that has historically been plagued by insanity level snake oil and pricing).

 

[clone1008]

I had this RME on my 2 channel setup and i sold it after i bought a 'far from stellar measuring' (non-golfing pinkpanther) Denafrips R2R...

Measurements should only serve as an indicator of competent engineering. Above a threshold of acceptable/competent measurement, you would be fooling yourself if you a) didn't actually listen to things and decide what sounds good to your ears b) look at a list of features and see what works for you.

If these ASR guys were not shown any headless panthers on golfing panthers a priori and asked to pick something in a A/B test, you'd be surprised what they pick. It would be so funny to watch. Their whole platform of hostility and dictatorship in pursuit of "truth" will crumble. But, It is understandable perhaps why these dudes have become this way (an industry that has historically been plagued by insanity level snake oil and pricing).

It's the never ending search for the Holy Grail that will never be found.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Yeah, but isn't it their Doctor that prescribes the prescription? Sooo you in the clear brother! It's on the Doctor he knows that oxycodone is highly addictive.

Well, when I am the person doing the Pain Management, I am the person who is WRITING the orders (prescribing) for the Oxycontin.

 

[Majorusa]

One might also reason that your issue was the TV and the A8A.

I have a Yamaha RX-V6A with the same TV, no pop. So I think the culprit is not the TV alone.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

It's the never ending search for the Holy Grail that will never be found.

A man’s gotta know what’s important to him.

And every man is different.

 

[clone1008]

I have a Yamaha RX-V6A with the same TV, no pop. So I think the culprit is not the TV alone.

He said his problem went away with a TV update. So I was referring to his specific situation. You on the other hand with the V6A, God only knows what your issue is.