Incongruous media coverage of Rittenhouse vs actual testimony

[jinjuku]

Exactly. And watch him, to see how many times he directs his comments and actions toward the jury.

Well that would be his attorneys coaching him. There is a saying in the justice system when it comes to prosecution and defense: You bring your liars and we'll bring ours.

Personally I've no issue with this and I would expect it.

 

[jinjuku]

His body going very rigid its a big possibility when he went to remember those events he straight up overstimulated and had a panic attack.

Can you give us the run down on Grosskreutz smirking on the stand when asked about the $10,000,000 lawsuit he has against the city ;-)

 

[Replicant 7]

Anyone runs up on someone be it someone carrying a weapon or not and attack someone just may get five bullets in their chest. Should that young kid have been carrying a loaded weapon, I wouldn't have as I'm sure many in their right mind wouldn't have. I do believe in Stand Your Ground laws when being attack.

 

[Dude#1279435]

Well that would be his attorneys coaching him. There is a saying in the justice system when it comes to prosecution and defense: You bring your liars and we'll bring ours.

Personally I've no issue with this and I would expect it.

I guess but at the same time find it a little pathetic its come down to Oh I better start acting now when you're innocent of murder.

 

[jinjuku]

I guess but at the same time find it a little pathetic its come down to Oh I better start acting now when you're innocent of murder.

Some people will believe him and others will not...

 

[highfigh]

Well that would be his attorneys coaching him. There is a saying in the justice system when it comes to prosecution and defense: You bring your liars and we'll bring ours.

Personally I've no issue with this and I would expect it.

Juries are coached, too- been there.

If the judge was coaching him, we have more problems than the day to day bickering between Dems/Repubs/Far Left.

 

[highfigh]

Can you give us the run down on Grosskreutz smirking on the stand when asked about the $10,000,000 lawsuit he has against the city ;-)

Right- he seems to be claiming "You didn't save me from myself!!!!". Typical.

 

[highfigh]

And now, Rittenhouse's mom has said that if he didn't have that gun, he would be dead. That's just idiotic. It assumes everything would have been the same and if he had gone without a weapon, I don't think he would have put himself in the same situations but I could be totally wrong. I seriously doubt anyone thought "I'm gonna kick Kyle Rittenhouse's ass tonight". If he had done something to deserve it without being armed, I would conclude that he really is a moron.

Great example of a mom who doesn't know her kid.

 

[jinjuku]

Interesting twist on whether the pointing of a weapon twice by Rittenhouse at Ziminsky and if this clears the bar of provocation on behalf of Rossenbaum. If this clears then Rittenhouse has no affirmative defense in any of his actions that night.

But I think it's safe to argue that Rittenhouse broke contact and reasonably disengaged.

It'll be interesting to see which side of this the jury sides with.

 

[jinjuku]

And now, Rittenhouse's mom has said that if he didn't have that gun, he would be dead. That's just idiotic.

Outside of not showing up this would have been his most likely 2nd safest bet. Mum's a moron.

 

[highfigh]

Outside of not showing up this would have been his most likely 2nd safest bet. Mum's a moron.

Or, showing up and not getting into any confrontations. It's really not that difficult to just be a bystander as long as the others aren't attacking everyone.

 

[Danzilla31]

Can you give us the run down on Grosskreutz smirking on the stand when asked about the $10,000,000 lawsuit he has against the city ;-)

That's simple I think he had a panic attack too

 

[Danzilla31]

Can you give us the run down on Grosskreutz smirking on the stand when asked about the $10,000,000 lawsuit he has against the city ;-)

And honestly it looked like it could be one not saying it really was. Only God knows the real truth as they like to say. I just think it's possible because his reactions were just too intense. That was some really bad coaching otherwise.

 

[jinjuku]

And honestly it looked like it could be one not saying it really was. Only God knows the real truth as they like to say. I just think it's possible because his reactions were just too intense. That was some really bad coaching otherwise.

He looked like a person that had a response that he could not suppress try as hard as he might.

 

[GO-NAD!]

He looked like a person that had a response to drop a deuce that he could not suppress try as hard as he might.

Fixed that for ya.

 

[highfigh]

OK, the judge has dropped the weapons charge. Still looking for age restrictions, but I think that was a bad idea. At the very least, he violated an ordinance regarding discharging a firearm within city limits.

From the link, "The Department believes that mere open carry of a firearm, absent additional facts and circumstances, should not result in a disorderly conduct charge. For example, a hunter openly carrying a rifle or shotgun on his property during hunting season while quietly tracking game should not face a disorderly conduct charge. But if the same hunter carries the same rifle or shotgun through a crowded street while barking at a passerby, the conduct may lose its constitutional protection."

https://www.doj.state.wi.us/sites/default/files/2009-news/final-open-carry-memo-2009.pdf

 

[BMXTRIX]

I remember hearing about this the next day and all I could think was "Great, another douchebag white guy goes all Zimmerman on someone and pulls some vigilante justice. WTF is wrong with America?"...

Then I started actually doing some homework and watching videos. I watched as Rittenhouse retreated time and time again. Where he moved away from Rosenbaum, and actually ran from him. Where Rosenbaum was right behind Rittenhouse when Kyle turned and fired his weapon, multiple times, center of mass, just as you should do when defending your life.

I am blown away by those that think a minor may not legally defend themselves. Is that really what you think the law is? I'm not sure people know what the law is. It is actually quite clear they don't. Rittenhouse has, and still has, a legal right to defend himself from a threat, just as you do, just as your wife does, just as your children and parents do. It is LEGAL to defend yourself.

At the end of this, I definitely saw a crap situation which could have been avoided by Rittenhouse just staying home. But, that's the same as telling the rape victim that she shouldn't have worn the tight dress. It's a BS statement. Legally Rittenhouse MAY have avoided the confrontation with Rosenbaum if he didn't have a gun, or perhaps Rittenhouse would be dead at the hands of Rosenbaum. No question, Rosenbaum was being actively aggressive. No question. To the point that I believe the jury will come back quickly in agreement. There are videos that show Rosenbaum chasing down Rittenhouse. There is testimony of others that have Rittenhouse yelling "FRIENDLY!" as he was retreating. There is zero excuse for Rosenbaum being the aggressor in this case.

The only living directly assualted person, said that he was not shot until after he stepped forward, raised, and pointed his gun directly at Rittenhouse.

Think about that for a second. Rittenhouse did not fire at this person until he acted aggressively towards him.

I see a bunch of people, all around, who made some really bad decisions and paid the price for their stupidity all around. Rittenhouse is likely to be scarred for life on this. It's not like he gets to go to bed at night and not realize that he took the lives of two people. I'm saddened by the entire situation.

 

[Mikado463]

I remember hearing about this the next day and all I could think was "Great, another douchebag white guy goes all Zimmerman on someone and pulls some vigilante justice. WTF is wrong with America?"...

Then I started actually doing some homework and watching videos. I watched as Rittenhouse retreated time and time again. Where he moved away from Rosenbaum, and actually ran from him. Where Rosenbaum was right behind Rittenhouse when Kyle turned and fired his weapon, multiple times, center of mass, just as you should do when defending your life.

I am blown away by those that think a minor may not legally defend themselves. Is that really what you think the law is? I'm not sure people know what the law is. It is actually quite clear they don't. Rittenhouse has, and still has, a legal right to defend himself from a threat, just as you do, just as your wife does, just as your children and parents do. It is LEGAL to defend yourself.

At the end of this, I definitely saw a crap situation which could have been avoided by Rittenhouse just staying home. But, that's the same as telling the rape victim that she shouldn't have worn the tight dress. It's a BS statement. Legally Rittenhouse MAY have avoided the confrontation with Rosenbaum if he didn't have a gun, or perhaps Rittenhouse would be dead at the hands of Rosenbaum. No question, Rosenbaum was being actively aggressive. No question. To the point that I believe the jury will come back quickly in agreement. There are videos that show Rosenbaum chasing down Rittenhouse. There is testimony of others that have Rittenhouse yelling "FRIENDLY!" as he was retreating. There is zero excuse for Rosenbaum being the aggressor in this case.

The only living directly assualted person, said that he was not shot until after he stepped forward, raised, and pointed his gun directly at Rittenhouse.

Think about that for a second. Rittenhouse did not fire at this person until he acted aggressively towards him.

I see a bunch of people, all around, who made some really bad decisions and paid the price for their stupidity all around. Rittenhouse is likely to be scarred for life on this. It's not like he gets to go to bed at night and not realize that he took the lives of two people. I'm saddened by the entire situation.

Your first sentence, paragraph 4 speaks volumes. Not to mention his parents appear to be MIA. How any parent allows a minor to enter into such a fray with a semi-automatic weapon is beyond me ?? Where's his father in all this ?

The whole thing was a cluster from the get-go ...........

 

[BMXTRIX]

Your first sentence, paragraph 4 speaks volumes. Not to mention his parents appear to be MIA. How any parent allows a minor to enter into such a fray with a semi-automatic weapon is beyond me ?? Where's his father in all this ?

From what I've heard, which isn't nearly the whole story, his step-father did speak to him and asked that he not go. Apparently that was ignored. Likewise, the guns which were normally locked in a safe were not, and Kyle got the gun pretty much on his own accord.

The whole thing was a cluster from the get-go ...........

Yep! Absolutely! But, it comes down to our right to defend ourselves as necessary. At no point has anyone justified Rosenbaum attacking Rittenhouse. I've had people verbally very angry at me that I can't see that Rittenhouse MUST be wrong because he simply 'existed'. WTF? I go back to my original statement, Rosebaum didn't die because Rittenhouse existed, he died because he was chasing him down for no apparent reason, but with words that indicated an intent to perform grave bodily harm (as claimed by others). So, if Rosenbaum hadn't done this, would he be dead today? Did Rittenhouse kill anyone who didn't step forward to attack him at any point?

Sure, if the kid had stayed home, it wouldn't have been him in the spotlight today. Could have been someone else. Could've, should've, would've... who cares?

 

[Mikado463]

Agreed and just another avenue the anti-gun crowd to go down, which would be ok if they really knew the right road to take. IMO his parents should be on trial as well ............