The Audyssey MultEQ Editor app users thread (with facts and tips)

[boulderskies]

thank you....will check out the video and go from there. scott

okay, watched the video above and it was good; this one provides more detail:

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here's my main long-standing question:
i am primarily interested in dialing in my two subs (svs sb-2000 pro and rythmik f12) as tight and a deep as i can for my particular system and room. exactly HOW do i use the resulting graphs in the Editor to do that?????
scott

 

[PENG]

okay, watched the video above and it was good; this one provides more detail:

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here's my main long-standing question:
i am primarily interested in dialing in my two subs (svs sb-2000 pro and rythmik f12) as tight and a deep as i can for my particular system and room. exactly HOW do i use the resulting graphs in the Editor to do that?????
scott

I suggest you would have to use REW to plot a bunch of graphs and do some analysis, before making adjustments, otherwise you will be flying blind to some extent.

 

[boulderskies]

does anyone else have a more specific answer to my question?
thank you,
scott

 

[panteragstk]

I've finally got the calibrations sent to the receiver. I got hold of an old iPhone 6 with iOS 12.3 and it's worked using that. They possibly haven't updated the minimum specs (iOS 8) in the app store and it needs higher than the iOS 9.3 I have on the iPad (or the iPad just didn't want to talk to the receiver).
Anyway, if anyone has a similar "non-communication" issues with sending calibrations from Apple devices something to try would be using different devices and/or later versions of the iOS.

That's a VERY outdated version of iOS. It's up to 14 now and if your ipad is stuck on 9.3.5 I'm guessing it's a first gen. There could be a wifi incompatibility with your device. Maybe the receiver and ipad are on a different band? 2.4ghz vs 5ghz. I've seen that cause problems for other devices, but not my 4300 since it's wired.

 

[DJ7675]

Earlier in this thread there is some great "how to" info on using Audyssey with Ratbudyssey. If you don't want to go down that route, and just use the Audyssey app in a straight forward manner, the below may be a simple good way get things to sound good. This may or may not be helpful, so take it for what it is worth...

If you have good measuring speakers that you like, this is what I like to do to use the room correction as room correction...
-When going through Audyssey setup and setting the sub levels, set them as high in the "green" as possible. This will help give you headroom later on when you apply boosts to the sub trims
-Turn off midrange compensation
-Under speaker detection results results increase the crossover on the mains if they are set to less than 80hz to 80 hz. If they are higher than 80hz leave them alone
-In multeq filter frequency range- drag the curtains on all the speakers from 20khz to 300-1k (maybe experiment with 300hz/500hz etc). This will attempt to correct the affects of the room. Correcting above this range can have poor results if you are not confirming your results with REW.
-In the curve editor, go to the subwoofer (top right of the app select the sub) drop a point on 200hz on the zero db line. Drop a second point on 20hz and drag it up to +5db
-Send the configuration to your avr
-On your AVR, go under settings>speakers>levels and boost the sub level by the same amount you added to your sub curve. In this case +5. Because of how Audyssey works, you need to do this to keep the crossovers correct. If you boost your sub curve by 3db, add 3db of boost to the subwoofer speaker levels
-DEQ-If you add +3-+5 room curve and boost trim levels by the same amount you may not need DEQ. Try it with it off. If not enough bass, then change it to DEQ on and try it at reference level 15/10/5 until it feels like you have the bass you want at all levels

 

[PENG]

does anyone else have a more specific answer to my question?
thank you,
scott

Hello Scott, it did try to answer your question but now I can see that may be I misunderstood your question. You asked "exactly HOW do i use the resulting graphs in the Editor to do that????? " and your goal seems to be "dialing in your two subs as tight and a deep as i can for my particular system and room"

So I assume you want to achieve your goal by making adjustments to the target curve produced in your last Audyssey run. The video, starting at about the 8:00 mark showed you how to create your own customized target curve. The problems are:

1) the curve you see is mainly a target curve that Audyssey will try to achieve, but to see the actual results you need to use a 3rd party software such as REW, to plot more graphs using a suitable mic.

2) the curve/results the App show are not sufficient to tell you whether the two subwoofers would produce bass as tight and as deep as they possibly can in your room. So you really cannot achieve your goal by customizing the curve, and/or making other adjustments such as playing with the levels and distances etc. If you do you will basically be doing it by trial and error, and of course by ears.

If you look further back in this thread you will see all kinds of REW graphs others have posted, and it won't be just the frequency response graphs, there are others such as the impulse response, decay time, waterfall graphs that are helpful to guide you. Even then, there will still be some trial and error involved depending on how critical you are. The link article below may help:

Understanding Decay Time and Waterfall Graphs - GIK Acoustics

If using REW/mic is not possible for you then I would offer my short version answer as follow:

1) In my experience, if you follow instructions to the letter when running Audyssey auto setup, and make sure the room is in its quietest stage, it should be able to dial in your two subs nicely for reasonably "tight" (as it practically can be in your room) bass. And for deeper bass, you could simply customize the target curve using the App, by sloping it up towards from say 80 Hz to 20 Hz.

2) Set crossover to 80 Hz regardless, Audyssey may set your speakers to "large", or 60, 40 Hz, ignore them and set them to 80 Hz for the L/C/R, higher for the surrounds. That is, let the subwoofers take care of the deep bass without the chance of being messed up by the mains that may be capable of significant output at below 80 Hz.

Obviously my short version answer is only applicable if you trust Audyssey and your ears, as the results will be be visibly supported by "graphs".

If other know better ways, it would be great if they chime in.

 

[Benedict Quek]

Just wanna share a key part of my latest settings. Not sure if anyone has shared the same observations or explanations.

Reduced MultiEQ Filter Frequency Range to 359hz for Fronts, 370hz for Center and 270hz for Surrounds.

Rationale: Selected to place each speaker's After curve 80hz point(my speaker crossover) near/exactly at the 0db line.
Note that 0db is also where the default subwoofer After curve is at.
Subwoofer and speakers sound better integrated like this. Sounds to me like a perfectly immersive sounding combo of low and high frequencies.

-Turn ON Dyn. Eq and send file to avr.
- On AVR, set Ref Lvl Offset:
10db for Spotify
5db for TV
Appreciate if you/anyone can try and let me know how it works for you... or if I'm just wrong. Thanks.

 

[Reckel]

I normally have mine set at 300 but yesterday I was playing around with 350-500. Should I be hearing big differences? I couldn’t tell big differences but maybe it’s me and I’m not listening for what I should be

 

[Benedict Quek]

I normally have mine set at 300 but yesterday I was playing around with 350-500. Should I be hearing big differences? I couldn’t tell big differences but maybe it’s me and I’m not listening for what I should be

For me the difference is in the balance of low and high frequencies and also the integration of the subwoofer and speakers. Previously when I blindly set at 300hz or less and also around 500hz, the subwoofer bass was either comparatively anaemic or too much till it muddied the clarity of the speakers. But now with my rationale, it sounds best and also makes some sense. I have even realised that my surrounds crossover needs to be set to 120hz as that is where the After curve meets the 0db line.

Oh and also after doing the above, you'll find you have to turn up the volume more to hear the benefits which is a more balanced and accurate sound, I think.

 

[Reckel]

For me the difference is in the balance of low and high frequencies and also the integration of the subwoofer and speakers. Previously when I blindly set at 300hz or less and also around 500hz, the subwoofer bass was either comparatively anaemic or too much till it muddied the clarity of the speakers. But now with my rationale, it sounds best and also makes some sense. I have even realised that my surrounds crossover needs to be set to 120hz as that is where the After curve meets the 0db line.

I’ll try what you did and let you know. Can’t sleep either?

 

[Benedict Quek]

I’ll try what you did and let you know. Can’t sleep either?

It's 5.45pm in Singapore where i am.

 

[Reckel]

Oh, my bad. Figured you were in the states, I’m in Ohio

 

[Benedict Quek]

Oh, my bad. Figured you were in the states, I’m in Ohio

Thanks for staying awake for me

 

[Reckel]

Thanks for staying awake for me

Hey np but I was up at 145. I work nights so my sleep schedule sucks even when I’m off

 

[Vid33nyc1]

Sup guys, I was trying to calibrate with the editor app and for some reason it won't detect my second PB 1000 Pro.It gets stuck after testing the 1st sub and I have to close the app and restart. Calibration works fine using the x3600h without the app. Anyone else have this issue?

 

[panteragstk]

Sup guys, I was trying to calibrate with the editor app and for some reason it won't detect my second PB 1000 Pro.It gets stuck after testing the 1st sub and I have to close the app and restart. Calibration works fine using the x3600h without the app. Anyone else have this issue?

Some devices don't like this app for some reason. My last phone had that problem, new one doesn't. No real reason that I could find for any sort of incompatibility.

Have you force clsed the app and cleared data? That's for android. iOS should just wipe everything with an uninstall/reinstall.

Other than that, I'd bother their support. This app is exclusive to D&M so Audyssey support isn't who you're looking for. @Pogre may be able to help.

 

[Pogre]

I've had a few buggy issues too. If your IOS is ood that could be part of the problem. Try a factory reset on your AVR, and just for shits n giggles power cycle your router by unplugging it for a minute or so. Might not do anything, but it did resolve an unrelated issue I had with it finding my receiver.

 

[Benedict Quek]

Just wondering if anyone else has same experience... I find sending calibration file with Dyn EQ ON sounds muddier with too much distorted bass than sending with Dyn EQ OFF but then using avr remote to turn on Dyn EQ. Wonder why...

 

[Benedict Quek]

Sup guys, I was trying to calibrate with the editor app and for some reason it won't detect my second PB 1000 Pro.It gets stuck after testing the 1st sub and I have to close the app and restart. Calibration works fine using the x3600h without the app. Anyone else have this issue?

Is it possible the app uses the speaker configuration that is previously recorded in the avr? So when you wish to add a 2nd subwoofer, you may have to change/set the speaker configuration in avr before using the app to calibrate. Just guessing since I don't have 2 subwoofers.

 

[Reckel]

Just wondering if anyone else has same experience... I find sending calibration file with Dyn EQ ON sounds muddier with too much distorted bass than sending with Dyn EQ OFF but then using avr remote to turn on Dyn EQ. Wonder why...

I just ran audyssey again the other day because I wanted to play, I didn’t hear a difference but I’ll try it. Also, did anyone watch the video gene couple weeks ago with his guest (can’t remember the guys name off hand). His guest was saying to make all your adjustments in the app rather than the avr after running audyssey through the app. I’ve been told to make the adjustments in avr after audyssey, so which is correct way?