The Audyssey MultEQ Editor app users thread (with facts and tips)

[Benedict Quek]

I just ran audyssey again the other day because I wanted to play, I didn’t hear a difference but I’ll try it. Also, did anyone watch the video gene couple weeks ago with his guest (can’t remember the guys name off hand). His guest was saying to make all your adjustments in the app rather than the avr after running audyssey through the app. I’ve been told to make the adjustments in avr after audyssey, so which is correct way?

Haha. I would trust Gene and friends more than me.

 

[Reckel]

Haha. I would trust Gene and friends more than me.

Hell, I’ve been adjusting things after running audyssey through the app so apparently I’ve been doing it wrong idk

 

[Benedict Quek]

Hell, I’ve been adjusting things after running audyssey through the app so apparently I’ve been doing it wrong idk

LOL! Yup this is the most confusing hobby ever. Problem with most of us is that we are not trained ears.

Anyway... recently I've experienced better results by leaving filter freq range limit alone to do full range correction and just adjusting Curve Editor a little. I find applying 20hz at +1db and 200hz at 0db for all speakers and subwoofer, is easiest way to improve sound. This way I don't have to adjust subwoofer levels to match. I just turn on Dyn EQ (in the app) and let it do its magic. I think maybe why the denon's house curve sounds bad compared to other brands of avr is because 200hz is at +1db by default. So bringing it down to 0db seems to make a huge difference. I could be wrong again though heheh.

 

[Reckel]

LOL! Yup this is the most confusing hobby ever. Problem with most of us is that we are not trained ears.

Anyway... recently I've experienced better results by leaving filter freq range limit alone to do full range correction and just adjusting Curve Editor a little. I find applying 20hz at +1db and 200hz at 0db for all speakers and subwoofer, is easiest way to improve sound. This way I don't have to adjust subwoofer levels to match. I just turn on Dyn EQ (in the app) and let it do its magic. I think maybe why the denon's house curve sounds bad compared to other brands of avr is because 200hz is at +1db by default. So bringing it down to 0db seems to make a huge difference. I could be wrong again though heheh.

Dam, every time I’ve tried that curve editor with my fingers I can never get it where I want it. I use ratbuddyssey to change any issues I’ve had in my response measurements. Except last time I tried using ratbuddyssey it wasn’t doing anything. I’m sure I was doing something wrong. My response is actually pretty nice though

 

[Benedict Quek]

Dam, every time I’ve tried that curve editor with my fingers I can never get it where I want it. I use ratbuddyssey to change any issues I’ve had in my response measurements. Except last time I tried using ratbuddyssey it wasn’t doing anything. I’m sure I was doing something wrong. My response is actually pretty nice though

I don't have a pc or laptop now so just stuck with using the phone app. But I did buy a cheap stylus pen thingie from aliexpress to make curve editing abit easier. I managed to get to +1.04db at 20hz and -0.01db at 200hz with the stylus.

 

[Reckel]

I don't have a pc or laptop now so just stuck with using the phone app. But I did buy a cheap stylus pen thingie from aliexpress to make curve editing abit easier. I managed to get to +1.04db at 20hz and -0.01db at 200hz with the stylus.

Maybe I missed this but what boosts and cuts did you do on the curve editor?

 

[Benedict Quek]

Maybe I missed this but what boosts and cuts did you do on the curve editor?

Just +1db at 20hz and -0.01db at 200hz. Calibrated speaker Levels unchanged. Turned on Dyn EQ in the app. Send file to avr. Then for heos/spotify set ref level offset to around 10db with the avr remote. For tv/movies ref lvl offset at 0db.

 

[Reckel]

Just +1db at 20hz and -0.01db at 200hz. Calibrated speaker Levels unchanged. Turned on Dyn EQ in the app. Send file to avr. Then for heos/spotify set ref level offset to around 10db with the avr remote. For tv/movies ref lvl offset at 0db.

Ok thx. Did you leave the sub levels alone after audyssey or did you bump up a few dB?

 

[Benedict Quek]

Ok thx. Did you leave the sub levels alone after audyssey or did you bump up a few dB?

Left sub level alone. That's why I only curve edited +1db at 20hz. And i don't dare to make greater changes. Also don't really feel the need for it. I like a more balanced sound which will work for all content.

 

[Reckel]

Left sub level alone. That's why I only curve edited +1db at 20hz. And i don't dare to make greater changes. Also don't really feel the need for it. I like a more balanced sound which will work for all content.

Appreciate it. I’ve got to get to bed, I worked all night, I’ll let you know

 

[Reckel]

Left sub level alone. That's why I only curve edited +1db at 20hz. And i don't dare to make greater changes. Also don't really feel the need for it. I like a more balanced sound which will work for all content.

What subs do you have?

 

[Pogre]

Just wondering if anyone else has same experience... I find sending calibration file with Dyn EQ ON sounds muddier with too much distorted bass than sending with Dyn EQ OFF but then using avr remote to turn on Dyn EQ. Wonder why...

I've noticed a few buggy issues like this. I've found that changing any of the dynamic or speaker settings in the app before sending it to my avr, either reference or flat won't work. Which one depends from one calibration to the next. Anymore now I don't mess wth any of the speaker settings or dynamic settings in app. I do all that with the remote after sending the cal file.

 

[panteragstk]

I've noticed a few buggy issues like this. I've found that changing any of the dynamic or speaker settings in the app before sending it to my avr, either reference or flat won't work. Which one depends from one calibration to the next. Anymore now I don't mess wth any of the speaker settings or dynamic settings in app. I do all that with the remote after sending the cal file.

If you get all those settings good with the remote and run Audyssey again from the app, all of those remote adjusted settings will stay. It's a weird design, but I'm pretty sure that's how I saved them.

Or it's because I did manual adjustments in ratbuddyssey

 

[Benedict Quek]

I've noticed a few buggy issues like this. I've found that changing any of the dynamic or speaker settings in the app before sending it to my avr, either reference or flat won't work. Which one depends from one calibration to the next. Anymore now I don't mess wth any of the speaker settings or dynamic settings in app. I do all that with the remote after sending the cal file.

Not sure if it's the same problem... but i used to experience silent Flat mode after sending changes to avr. But I realized it only happens if I send the file directly from the file edit page. It's better to close the file edit page and go to the main index before clicking on the send icon. I think this is the only way to make sure the file is completely processed.

 

[Benedict Quek]

What subs do you have?

I have just one svs pb1000 placed beside my front right speaker about 4-5 feet from right side wall.

 

[Trell]

I've decided the guys at denon/audyssey know more than me, so gonna trust them to do their magic haha. So, anyway my latest key settings for the app. Try it.

Curve editor: +1db at 20hz, 0db at 200hz.
Audyssey settings: Dyn EQ ON, Dyn Vol ON, LFC ON.
Close window, go to index and send file.
Then by avr remote, set Dyn Volume to Light and LFC containment to 1.

Verdict: Now playback at low volumes sound more complete, while higher volume playback sounds more controlled and consistently comfortable.
Maybe I just got tired of tweaking heheh.

With Dynamic Volume and LFC you are neutering your bass, and that is absolutely as it's just a preference. Watching cable TV with obnoxious loud commercials is when I use Dynamic Volume, though I watch very little cable TV these last few years.

You can use the Denon Quick Select buttons to store and recall settings like Dynamic Volume, Reference Volume Offset, Dynamic Volume, LFC, initial volume level, etc. That way you can set some settings quickly, and is what I use with my Logitech Harmony remote where each activity has it's own Quick Select button activated.

The Quick Select buttons can be renamed in Denon Setup GUI and that name will show when you press a Quick Select button.

 

[PENG]

Haha. I would trust Gene and friends more than me.

Me too, but whether you make the adjustment on the App or later on the AVR should make no difference. For settings such as DEQ, the App sends the instructions, the AVR executes it, as simple as that.

If the AVR wouldn't execute certain things set with the App, then it would be because not all the information get sent due to certain network issues, bugs, or something else. That happened to me a few times, such as missing the "flat" choice, it always got fixed after re-sending the file. I asked Audyssey about it, and that's what they suggested, that is, if and when it happens, just send the file again, and again if required until it gets fixed.

I lost count how many times I ran Audyssey, with or without the App so I am very confident that is the case. If someone can link that video I would like to see, for now I suspect it might have been taken out of context, unintentional of course.

 

[Benedict Quek]

Oops sorry for deleting my post. Felt silly haha.

 

[Reckel]

Me too, but whether you make the adjustment on the App or later on the AVR should make no difference. For settings such as DEQ, the App sends the instructions, the AVR executes it, as simple as that.

If the AVR wouldn't execute certain things set with the App, then it would be because not all the information get sent due to certain network issues, bugs, or something else. That happened to me a few times, such as missing the "flat" choice, it always got fixed after re-sending the file. I asked Audyssey about it, and that's what they suggested, that is, if and when it happens, just send the file again, and again if required until it gets fixed.

I lost count how many times I ran Audyssey, with or without the App so I am very confident that is the case. If someone can link that video I would like to see, for now I suspect it might have been taken out of context, unintentional of course.

I saw the video on YouTube, it’s on the audioholics YouTube channel. They also mentioned about using external test tones rather than the avr tones because audyssey isn’t engaged when using the avr tones. Which I’ve researched plenty and there’s people on both sides of the coin for which ones to use, so which is correct? I’ve seen a few videos of gene using the avr test tones to make sure his levels are correct with an spl meter, that’s wrong now?

 

[PENG]

I saw the video on YouTube, it’s on the audioholics YouTube channel. They also mentioned about using external test tones rather than the avr tones because audyssey isn’t engaged when using the avr tones. Which I’ve researched plenty and there’s people on both sides of the coin for which ones to use, so which is correct? I’ve seen a few videos of gene using the avr test tones to make sure his levels are correct with an spl meter, that’s wrong now?

I would rather trust Denon, Marantz and/or Audyssey. People say all kind of things, some may be right, some may be not.., some may be right to a point. As you said, there are two sides, may be even multiple sides of a coin.