a Democrat Texan wants more gun control...........

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Trell, your name is misspelled. It needs to be changed to Troll. Just go away.

 

[Trell]

Trell, your name is misspelled. It needs to be changed to Troll. Just go away.

Piss off

 

[sterling shoote]

Piss off

You are loosing it, the debate that is, because facts do not support your position; thus, like all of your ilk, the only thing left in your quiver to sling are insults, which demonstrates your juvenile character. In other words, there's no point to having an adult conversation with you, since you have not developed your critical thinking skills enough to entertain ideas, persuade, or be persuaded.

 

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a Democrat Texan wants more gun control...........

Hmmm, doesnt sound like a real Texan to me, , , ,

No true Scotsman - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

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and so it begins ..........

Statement by the President Three Years After the Parkland Shooting | The White House

Three years ago today, a lone gunman took the lives of 14 students and three educators at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida. In

www.whitehouse.gov

a lot of what is said, in principal I agree with, but then we're talking politicians here ........

Here's an opinion piece from Biden- in it, he wrote "That’s why, as president, I will push to ban them again.".

He also wrote "There’s overwhelming data that shootings committed with assault weapons kill more people than shootings with other types of guns. And that’s the point." in the same piece and that's just BS.

Opinion | Joe Biden: Banning Assault Weapons Works (Published 2019)

That’s why, as president, I will push to ban them again.

www.nytimes.com

He also said people should buy a double barrel shotgun, rather than an AR-style rifle. Right. Because it's so easy to turn around in a hallway in order to face an attacker?

 

[Mikado463]

Joes shotgun testimonial is one of my favorites !

it's a shame these half-wit politicians (both sides of the aisle) have not done a better job concentrating on getting us senior citizens vaccinated. I know how to responsibly look after my guns !

 

[lp85253]

had to do a little research, apparently it was an Armalite product and there was a .308 offering ? if so, while I agree it wouldn't be my first choice either, but nobody's gonna call the .308 a 'cap gun' !

I was referring to the normal! .223 that 90% of the idiots that think it would be cool to own an ar 15 would get( because they are without a clue).... A . 308 is a real big game weapon.. Might even stop a pissed off bear, repeat*might*... A .223 for anything angrier than deer is probably a bad idea... Now , you need to ask yourself: how does a misplaced liberal know this?....

 

[lp85253]

Joes shotgun testimonial is one of my favorites !

it's a shame these half-wit politicians (both sides of the aisle) have not done a better job concentrating on getting us senior citizens vaccinated. I know how to responsibly look after my guns !

He's right though( without watching the vid).. If your soul interest is home defense a shotgun is vastly superior to a rifle or handgun , in that it's point and shoot no aiming needed just get a box of buckshot .. Load up , pull trigger.. No talent needed...

 

[lp85253]

Have you seen the totally unnecessary, but equally awesome version that lets you change on the fly? Pretty sweet config if you want one gun, but multiple round options.

Not much good in a firefight or for wild animal defense though...so imo a cute option without a lot of practical use...

 

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Joes shotgun testimonial is one of my favorites !

it's a shame these half-wit politicians (both sides of the aisle) have not done a better job concentrating on getting us senior citizens vaccinated. I know how to responsibly look after my guns !

I'm sure the two guys who were killed in those home invasions thought they knew how to look after their guns too, but never underestimate someone who's off the hook, mentally. Living in the sticks, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the two killed had them in a nice wooden gun cabinet, but at this point, that can't be considered 'secure'. Locked, sure, but so easy to break into after overpowering the people in the house....

They don't give a rat's ass about seniors.

OTOH, killing people over 65 would allow Social Security to hold onto the money they would have received in that "entitlement program". I can imagine that someone has looked at the fund and said "Hey, look! It's not as bad as we thought!". I would think not, if you look at the number of people of that age and older whose deaths were attributed to COVID. Using the average SS benefit payment of $1450, this results in saving the Trust almost $522 Million per month.

COVID-19 Deaths by Age

According to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, COVID-19 is deadliest among older populations. CDC data also show that Americans, regardless of age group, are far more likely to die of something other than COVID-19.

www.heritage.org

However, this link also shows "CDC data also show that Americans, regardless of age group, are far more likely to die of something other than COVID-19. Even among those in the most heavily impacted age group (85 and older), only 13.1 percent of all deaths since February 2020 were due to COVID-19.".

 

[lp85253]

Sidebar: I have ZERO experience with a .243 Ackley; but, as an NRA Long Range Competitor, I have experience on the 1000 yard line with .308, 6.5/284, and .223. Shooting the AR-15 at 1000 yards with as issued iron sights is most difficult; yet, it reveals those on the firing line who know all there is to know about good shooting from those who don't. A perfect score requires all shots go inside the 20 inch 10 ring, which is doable but only when the shooter has mastered wind favors in addition to basic prone marksmanship. My average 1000 yard score is just 92% with an AR, while my average Long Range performance with an iron sight .308 is +97%. With some formal training such as the Squad Designated Marksman Course a Soldier can get up to speed within about a weeks time to get perfect scores on the E-type target at 600 meters using an M4 fitted with a 4 power ACOG with BDC reticle, shooting M855 or Mk 262 Long Range ammunition.

Apparently the 243 has loads that don't start to tumble after a few hundred yrds then... I was under the impression that caliber had serious long range issues...

 

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He's right though( without watching the vid).. If your soul interest is home defense a shotgun is vastly superior to a rifle or handgun , in that it's point and shoot no aiming needed just get a box of buckshot .. Load up , pull trigger.. No talent needed...

No aiming? No talent needed? Really? Do you have any idea how many people load their guns with the wrong ammunition for self-defense? What if someone loads with slugs and they're off "by just a bit"? Not gonna hit the intruder. What if they use buck shot and their aim is off again, by "just a bit"? Same result. Biden said they should buy a double barrel shotgun- after they miss twice, should they ask for a few seconds, to reload?

"Vastly superior", my butt. They only work if the aim is accurate. I'd rather have a handgun.

 

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Not much good in a firefight or for wild animal defense though...so imo a cute option without a lot of practical use...

Ever think that a rifle with multiple caliber options could be used for .223, 5.56mm AND 7.62 x 39? In a military firefight, where an enemy position has been taken and ammunition has been recovered, running out of .223 and 5.56mm isn't a problem with the options but try firing 7.62 x 39 in a gun chambered for one of the others.

Real firefights rarely happen in residential attacks and most gunfights amount to less than ten rounds fired, unless someone has a modified Glock with a 30 round magazine and they tend to spray bullets all over the place.

 

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WRT wrong ammunition- my cousin's husband is into guns and, well, paranoia. As if someone is gonna invade the mean streets of their area....

He buys ammo in lots of 1000 rounds fairly often, so he probably has more than he could ever use in his lifetime. He mentioned that he had bought some for 9mm and I asked if it was hollow point- he said it was full metal jacket. I reminded him that LEO and others use hollow points for a reason and he said "Oh- I didn't think of that". DOH!

 

[lp85253]

Ever think that a rifle with multiple caliber options could be used for .223, 5.56mm AND 7.62 x 39? In a military firefight, where an enemy position has been taken and ammunition has been recovered, running out of .223 and 5.56mm isn't a problem with the options but try firing 7.62 x 39 in a gun chambered for one of the others.

Real firefights rarely happen in residential attacks and most gunfights amount to less than ten rounds fired, unless someone has a modified Glock with a 30 round magazine and they tend to spray bullets all over the place.

Real firefights don't happen in real world scenarios ... Even at law enforcement levels, i was just making a point for usability in real world situations... Truth is, if you're in a real firefight you are already screwed... I'd take my 22lr 6 shooter and put it up against anybody's glock 9mm ,for the simple reason that i won't even draw it until i intend to shoot, then I'm going to shoot before i change my mind.. Most people are seriously chickenshit , which can cut several ways ( trigger happy or scared to shoot)...that gun is nothing but a tool...

 

[lp85253]

WRT wrong ammunition- my cousin's husband is into guns and, well, paranoia. As if someone is gonna invade the mean streets of their area....

He buys ammo in lots of 1000 rounds fairly often, so he probably has more than he could ever use in his lifetime. He mentioned that he had bought some for 9mm and I asked if it was hollow point- he said it was full metal jacket. I reminded him that LEO and others use hollow points for a reason and he said "Oh- I didn't think of that". DOH!

Fmj is really not a good real world projectile for self defense, that's for sure.. It's nice for killing vehicles though...hollow points have several advantages including less collateral damage( bullets going through walls)...

 

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Fmj is really not a good real world projectile for self defense, that's for sure.. It's nice for killing vehicles though...hollow points have several advantages including less collateral damage( bullets going through walls)...

Well,. it works, but if they hit someone who's on Meth, Crack, etc- it just makes them mad.

 

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Real firefights don't happen in real world scenarios ... Even at law enforcement levels, i was just making a point for usability in real world situations... Truth is, if you're in a real firefight you are already screwed... I'd take my 22lr 6 shooter and put it up against anybody's glock 9mm ,for the simple reason that i won't even draw it until i intend to shoot, then I'm going to shoot before i change my mind.. Most people are seriously chickenshit , which can cut several ways ( trigger happy or scared to shoot)...that gun is nothing but a tool...

A lot of people buy guns as a reaction but they let them sit on a shelf, in a drawer, maybe in a locked box of some kind. Do they go to the range? Nope. Have they become mildly accurate and know how to properly handle a gun? Nope. When they need it, they go full-on Barney Fife.

 

[lp85253]

No aiming? No talent needed? Really? Do you have any idea how many people load their guns with the wrong ammunition for self-defense? What if someone loads with slugs and they're off "by just a bit"? Not gonna hit the intruder. What if they use buck shot and their aim is off again, by "just a bit"? Same result. Biden said they should buy a double barrel shotgun- after they miss twice, should they ask for a few seconds, to reload?

"Vastly superior", my butt. They only work if the aim is accurate. I'd rather have a handgun.

Why would a guy use slugs for home defense?.. I'm talking g about thinking humans here.. Smart enough to know that a shotgun is The proper weapon...r 10 minutes of thought tells you that 10 feet is the range.. And regular old buckshot is the proper load for that distance for defense applications in most scenarios... There is no " off by just a bit" with shotguns at short range.. It's point and pull the trigger...the spread is probably 2 ft at 10 ft with a standard modified choke...hard to miss someone, and if you miss with a 12 gauge you missed by 4 ft with a handgun...

 

[Trell]

The truth is your opinions are not highly informed, that's to say you have no credentials in this arena and it shows. The facts do not support your conclusions.

You are so pro-gun that any kind of restrictions of guns, however reasonable to the vast majority of people, is an affront to the God given Second Amendment. You'll make any kind of argument (real or not) to support any pro-gun policies with religious fevor, and it shows.

As an example is an earlier post in this thread by you:

I'm just stating my belief that Democrat leadership is not interested in debate, which demands consideration of facts. Democrats know facts do not support more gun control and therefore they present emotional appeals to move their gun confiscation agenda..

Is GOP House member Marjorie Taylor Greene your kind of Republican? The one that literally wants to put a bullet in Pelosi's head? The very same person that got a standing ovation by the House GOP caucus by most members for her private non-apology that reportedly did not even mention murdering Democratic leaders?

So the Democrats are to negotiate with Republicans which over half either literally want you dead (by whatever means) or support said members? Those Republicans are not political opponents, they are literally an enemy that supports political violence, and sees any election wins by Democrat as illegitimate.

By now there are good reasons to claim that a large part of GOP is fascist or near so.