a Democrat Texan wants more gun control...........

[Mikado463]

Champion shooter G. David Tubbs has much experience with .243 in various chamberings for Mid and Long Range use. Seems the problem is barrel life, less than 6.5/284, which is only about 500 rounds. Back in 2003 I took my 6.5/284 to National Long Range Matches and started off pretty good with a 200 X 14 clean in Match 531 iron sight 600 Match. but later, shooting the 1000 yard Wimbledon Match I could not buy an X ring hit it seemed. Later when back on my home range I made the discovery that barrel life on the 6.5 was only about 500 rounds for the 1000 yard 10 inch X ring. Not, being rich enough to rebarrel every 500 rounds or getting to shoot for free like the ARMY shooters, I decided to change to US Service Rifle division where barrel life is about 2000 to 3000 rounds for mid and long range X ring performance. At any rate, my home range is Ft. Knox which became so difficult to access since 9-11 that shooters just stopped shooting there and matches thus ceased. I now do more coaching than shooting, the highlight of that has been coaching the USAMU Small Arms Firing School but covid even precluded that since Small Arms Firing School at Camp Perry along with the National Matches was cancelled last year. What do you suppose the barrel life of your .243 is for MOA at mid range?

Barrel life is much better than 500 rounds. As we both know there are so many things at play that account for the life of ones barrel. I have always followed proper barrel break in procedure, cleaning procedure(safe removal of copper), realistic muzzle velocities and never letting my barrel overheat. Heck, even my .220 Swift, a reputation of a barrel eater, I was able to get 1000 plus rounds down the pipe before having to deal with a small amount of throat erosion.

 

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Returning to the gun control topic- I have been hearing more calls on the scanner about guns being found in rental cars that were being checked out at the lots. Makes me wonder how many times guns were found and no call was made.

 

[Mikado463]

Returning to the gun control topic- I have been hearing more calls on the scanner about guns being found in rental cars that were being checked out at the lots. Makes me wonder how many times guns were found and no call was made.

exactly the kind of reckless gun behavior that is also part of the problem

 

[sterling shoote]

Barrel life is much better than 500 rounds. As we both know there are so many things at play that account for the life of ones barrel. I have always followed proper barrel break in procedure, cleaning procedure(safe removal of copper), realistic muzzle velocities and never letting my barrel overheat. Heck, even my .220 Swift, a reputation of a barrel eater, I was able to get 1000 plus rounds down the pipe before having to deal with a small amount of throat erosion.

My loads have been pretty hot. Back in the late 90's I shot about 50 rounds daily, 7 days a week. I rebarreled about every two months at $300 per barrel, cut 1/7 twist Kreiger smithed by Frank White at Compass Lake Engineering chambered for .223. These barrels have always been good. But even more accurate for me have been Douglas button rifled barrels. But, they generally are done at 2000 rather than 3000 rounds. I suppose the throat erosion is not as uniform as it is in the Krieger barrels. At any rate, you might remember a guy named John Feamster. He wrote a book in the mid 90's called Black Magic. It was a book mostly about match conditioning an AR -15 and hand loading match grade ammunition for it. On one of my trips to Ft. Benning I ran into him at the loading shack. That's what they called the place where the USAMU hand loaded its match ammunition for US Service Rifle Competition. Seems Feamster ran the place. He was very helpful. giving me all sorts of advise on how to improve my hand loads. They were experimenting with some powders at that time which produced high velocity with less pressure. He would not identify the powders by name but said it was moot since none of the powders were on the commercial market. My thought was such a powder would have been good for pushing the 80 grain Berger VLD to 1000, since my 24.8 grain load of RE-15 expands heads so much I cannot get a second loading from the new cases I use for LR, Fun stuff.

 

[sterling shoote]

Returning to the gun control topic- I have been hearing more calls on the scanner about guns being found in rental cars that were being checked out at the lots. Makes me wonder how many times guns were found and no call was made.

What's that all about? Where I live, drug dealers get their girlfriends to rent cars and these cars are used to transport drugs. The idea is if the car is confiscated in a drug bust there's no loss. I suppose when turning in the car, maybe the drug dealer has an opportunity to drop a hot gun too, with the idea that any who find it will indeed keep it?

 

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What's that all about? Where I live, drug dealers get their girlfriends to rent cars and these cars are used to transport drugs. The idea is if the car is confiscated in a drug bust there's no loss. I suppose when turning in the car, maybe the drug dealer has an opportunity to drop a hot gun too, with the idea that any who find it will indeed keep it?

Oh, they do that, too. And they get a room at the local motels for drug deals, prostitution, human trafficking, parties & fighting, pay kids who are in the 12-15 age range to steal cars, run from the police and crash, often injuring and/or killing people, including themselves.

 

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exactly the kind of reckless gun behavior that is also part of the problem

Illegal gun USE is the problem but gun control will do little to help. Approximately 40% of US households report that they own a gun- if 1/1000 of those were used for a murder, the annual gun death rate of 15K would be more than ten times higher.

Check this out-

Wisconsin sheriff: Man killed 2 before he was shot by deputy

A Wisconsin sheriff’s office says a man who forced his way into two homes in the town of Kewaskum earlier this week fatally shot two men in their 70s with their own guns before he was killed in a shootout with a deputy

www.dailyjournal.net

 

[cornemuse]

a Democrat Texan wants more gun control...........

Hmmm, doesnt sound like a real Texan to me, , , ,

 

[Mikado463]

Illegal gun USE is the problem but gun control will do little to help. Approximately 40% of US households report that they own a gun- if 1/1000 of those were used for a murder, the annual gun death rate of 15K would be more than ten times higher.

Check this out-

Wisconsin sheriff: Man killed 2 before he was shot by deputy

A Wisconsin sheriff’s office says a man who forced his way into two homes in the town of Kewaskum earlier this week fatally shot two men in their 70s with their own guns before he was killed in a shootout with a deputy

www.dailyjournal.net

Sad, sounds like some meth head POS........

 

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Sad, sounds like some meth head POS........

I read that his mom said he wasn't taking his meds. I hear transmissions on the scanner about people who called regarding mental health on a regular basis- they call about someone else, many call about themselves. Hopefully, the stigma about poor mental health is being reduced because inaction is killing too many people.

 

[Trell]

Illegal gun USE is the problem but gun control will do little to help. Approximately 40% of US households report that they own a gun- if 1/1000 of those were used for a murder, the annual gun death rate of 15K would be more than ten times higher.

Check this out-

Wisconsin sheriff: Man killed 2 before he was shot by deputy

A Wisconsin sheriff’s office says a man who forced his way into two homes in the town of Kewaskum earlier this week fatally shot two men in their 70s with their own guns before he was killed in a shootout with a deputy

www.dailyjournal.net

Wow, you still don't get it, like the rest of Republicans thinking that Covid is a hoax and Trump was cheated out of victory by a global cabal of Jewish baby-eating blood-sucking pedophiles using space lasers to ignite forest fires from space!

The problem with guns is the elected Republicans, quite simple, really. Everyone else, including Republican voters in general, thinks that gun control measures are appropriate.

 

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Wow, you still don't get it, like the rest of Republicans thinking that Covid is a hoax and Trump was cheated out of victory by a global cabal of Jewish baby-eating blood-sucking pedophiles using space lasers to ignite forest fires from space!

The problem with guns is the elected Republicans, quite simple, really. Everyone else, including Republican voters in general, thinks that gun control measures are appropriate.

"Everyone else"? How do you know the number of people who think that?

If they think the gun control measures are effective, they're f&cking clueless. You DO NOT know what's happening in this country! You refuse to see the facts, don't seem to have looked into it and in all probability, will live the rest of your life without knowing how wrong you are.

Unlike you, I know people who were shot during holdups, beaten to death and killed by people they knew. I went to school with some who used guns illegally. You're not speaking from experience.

Was this shooting done by a legal gun owner? I seriously doubt it-

An 8-year-old was taken to a hospital after he was shot near 29th St. and Courtland Avenue

Milwaukee police are investigating a shooting that injured an 8-year-old male victim in the 4600 block of N 29th Street just before 9 p.m. on Saturday

www.jsonline.com

How about these?

An 8-year-old was taken to a hospital after he was shot near 29th St. and Courtland Avenue

Milwaukee police are investigating a shooting that injured an 8-year-old male victim in the 4600 block of N 29th Street just before 9 p.m. on Saturday

www.jsonline.com

MPD: Two shot, killed inside parked car

A man and woman in their 20s died at the scene.

www.wisn.com

13-year-old girl shot, killed in Milwaukee

A 13-year-old girl was shot and killed Saturday morning, according to Milwaukee police.

www.wisn.com

The next one is from the City Of Milwaukee, based on FBI data, so I don't want to see one word from you, telling me how racist I am.

Milwaukee Homicide Database | Journal Sentinel

The Journal Sentinel is tracking homicides in Milwaukee to memorialize the victims and better understand deadly violence in the city.

projects.jsonline.com

Now, expand this to the whole US and consider whether the legal gun owners are really at fault or if the plans for gun control will work.

 

[Trell]

"Everyone else"? How do you know the number of people who think that?

Surveys? Try Google it.

If they think the gun control measures are effective, they're f&cking clueless. You DO NOT know what's happening in this country! You refuse to see the facts, don't seem to have looked into it and in all probability, will live the rest of your life without knowing how wrong you are.

And you do? I really doubt that. In a recent post you complained that some right wing extremists tried to reqruite you, why do think they tried that?

Unlike you, I know people who were shot during holdups, beaten to death and killed by people they knew. I went to school with some who used guns illegally. You're not speaking from experience.

I've never been raped so I can't say that rape is bad?

 

[Trell]

@Mikado463 Why don't you reply as to what my post was dumb, or are just like the rest of GOP approving political violence and can't handle the truth?

 

[Mikado463]

@Mikado463 Why don't you reply as to what my post was dumb, or are just like the rest of GOP approving political violence and can't handle the truth?

"the problems with guns is elected Republicans" ...... "simple" ??

Now , if you think it's that simple and then say the rest of GOP approves political violence ???

 

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Surveys? Try Google it.

And you do? I really doubt that. In a recent post you complained that some right wing extremists tried to reqruite you, why do think they tried that?

I've never been raped so I can't say that rape is bad?

Maybe you haven't heard- surveys can reflect whatever those conducting them want.

I wrote that one person called me- we had met at a job site. He had assumed some things about me, but was wrong. I don't know how extreme he really is, but I have no interest in any of it.

You don't seem to have read the links- give it a couple of minutes and see what's happening.

You're really a lost cause- you refuse to face the facts or accept anything you don't think you know. Buh bye.

 

[sterling shoote]

@Mikado463 Why don't you reply as to what my post was dumb, or are just like the rest of GOP approving political violence and can't handle the truth?

The truth is your opinions are not highly informed, that's to say you have no credentials in this arena and it shows. The facts do not support your conclusions.

 

[sterling shoote]

Oh, they do that, too. And they get a room at the local motels for drug deals, prostitution, human trafficking, parties & fighting, pay kids who are in the 12-15 age range to steal cars, run from the police and crash, often injuring and/or killing people, including themselves.

That is what is happening in my town, Louisville, Kentucky. During the current Mayor's tenure, homicides are up about 400%. It's all gang turf warfare, criminals who cannot legally possess firearms using illegally obtained firearms to kill rivals. As the song says, " it's the lure of easy money, it's got a very strong appeal.

 

[Mikado463]

well that's kind of counter intuitive ,, on one hand you realize they aren't trying to "take your guns away" and there never has been a movement to take guns away from law abiding people, although the gun industry(nra) screams it at the top of their lungs every election cycle to boost sales..on the other , although *there never has been a movement to do so* you don't trust them...pick a lane...

and so it begins ..........

Statement by the President Three Years After the Parkland Shooting | The White House

Three years ago today, a lone gunman took the lives of 14 students and three educators at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida. In

www.whitehouse.gov

a lot of what is said, in principal I agree with, but then we're talking politicians here ........

 

[Mikado463]

@Mikado463 Why don't you reply as to what my post was dumb, or are just like the rest of GOP approving political violence and can't handle the truth?

oh, one more thing, just so you know the republicans do not hold the patent on 'stupid', democrats have their losers as well ..............

Analysis: The story keeps getting worse for Andrew Cuomo on Covid-19

Amid the swirling controversy over whether New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo's administration knowingly undercounted deaths among nursing home residents during the height of the Covid-19 pandemic in the state, a top aide for the governor apologized to Democratic lawmakers, saying the administration...

www.cnn.com

and just for you Trell I made sure I took the story from Chicken Noodle News not Faux network ....