Yamaha AVENTAGE 2021 AV Receivers Bulk Up on Power and 8K Features

AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
If they are going to do that, they may as well provide both preamp mode and power amp mode, for the flagship class AVRs only. There isn't much point to have a power amp mode for the models that have weak power amp sections.
And that would mean having MCH 11CH-Analog Inputs, making the AVR more complex, which is not Yamaha’s motto.

It’s fun playing the wish-list and prediction game. :D
 
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dlaloum

Audioholic Chief
And that would mean having MCH 11CH-Analog Inputs, making the AVR more complex, which is not Yamaha’s motto.

It’s fun playing the wish-list and prediction game. :D
Not quite - as a power amp, the input would be pretty simple - whereas a preamp multi channel input requires ADC's, and other ancillary circuits, a Power amp input, could just involve very basic analogue inputs fixed to a specific amp channel...
 
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dlaloum

Audioholic Chief
If they are going to do that, they may as well provide both preamp mode and power amp mode, for the flagship class AVRs only. There isn't much point to have a power amp mode for the models that have weak power amp sections.
It probably would never happen for devices other than premium models - the pennies involved in the input connectors alone would be hard to justify!

But in terms of power amp justification - my old Integra DRX3.4 - a mass market model with weak power amp section, had more than ample power to handle my Surrounds and Heights.... Power amp capability would have made a jump to AVP rather than AVR much more interesting... but as it stands at the moment, moving to an AVP based setup would require the purchase of additional channels of power amps.

It would be nice to see such a function on models like the new generation (possible future, pinch of salt warning...) RZ71...
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
Not quite - as a power amp, the input would be pretty simple - whereas a preamp multi channel input requires ADC's, and other ancillary circuits, a Power amp input, could just involve very basic analogue inputs fixed to a specific amp channel...
Which specific channel? If you are going to use an AVR as power amp, without caveat, then it seems that ADTG is correct.
 
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dlaloum

Audioholic Chief
Which specific channel? If you are going to use an AVR as power amp, without caveat, then it seems that ADTG is correct.
You only need fairly simple circuitry to accept a standard line input in the processing chain between the Preamp board and the power amp board(s) ... in many cases they already run at close to standard line level... that (in theory) should not be an overly onerous or expensive additional feature!
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
You only need fairly simple circuitry to accept a standard line input in the processing chain between the Preamp board and the power amp board(s) ... in many cases they already run at close to standard line level... that (in theory) should not be an overly onerous or expensive additional feature!
Agreed, just that in my opinion there isn't much point doing it for the entry to some midrange AVRs that have weak power amp sections such as Marantz's low profile series and Denon's AVRs below the X3800H models. That would be fine for those who don't care about SINAD less than 80 dB. Keep in mind for SINAD 80 dB in the 1 kHz test, within the full audio band you can expect below SINAD 70, or even less (60 dB), that's still acceptable to a ton of users who really don't care about measurements, but for those who care, and know enough to want to use their lower end AV receivers as power amps, they likely want something better. All just our opinions though, obviously highly subjective in nature.

Pre out is different, it is easy for the likes of D+M, Yamaha, Onkyo to standardize as we know for a fact that D+M has been standardizing their preamp/dac section, not 100% but at least keeping the DAC, OPA, volume IC, switches, the same for their whole midrange to flagship models.

So, it is worth equipping them with pre out/preamp mode so users have the option to take advantage of this section by just adding external power amps at can be very affordable now with many class D amps available. Manufacturers may never go for it, because their marketing/sales teams would likely say no, for obvious reasons.;)
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
You only need fairly simple circuitry to accept a standard line input in the processing chain between the Preamp board and the power amp board(s) ... in many cases they already run at close to standard line level... that (in theory) should not be an overly onerous or expensive additional feature!
There is ZERO chance that Yamaha will add an 11CH Analog Input on their AVR. :D

Yamaha is trying to get rid of as many inputs and connectors as possible, not add 11 more. :D
 
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