Why the left is against economic growth

highfigh

highfigh

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That statement sums up our current society perfectly.
And a big part of the problems in America come from people calling each other 'stupid' without trying to understand why they believe what they do.

I would like to see how things would be if Facebook, Instagram, Twitter and other platforms had never come into existence.
 
JerryLove

JerryLove

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I suspect you may be right. The Democrats can't seem to find the same songbook, much less the same song sheet. In contrast, the GOP looks like the Mormon Tabernacle Choir, in comparison. But, the reason they look so unified is that they are all petrified of Trump. Go against him and find yourself being primaried? Best to throw your dignity out the window and toe the line, if you want a chance at keeping your seat. Remember before Trump won the GOP presidential candidacy? You could hardly find a GOP member who had a good thing to say about him. Now, it's the complete opposite. I have to give him credit - if hanging onto power is his only raison d'être, he's doing a masterful job. Unless the Democrats can get their poop in a group and produce an electable candidate, Trump will be a 2-term president. Unless, of course, he intends to pull a Putin...;)
Though the Trump tenure is a new extent of that, it's been the case for some time.

Firstly though, let's not confuse conservativism and liberalism with the parties that support it. The virtues and vices of a theory are not defined by the advocates of that theory.

The DNC is a party of people each working for their own set of goals.
The RNC is a party of people each working to maintain personal power by maintaining party control of the mechanisms of democracy.

The DNC runs the gambit of personalities.
The RNC lacks practically any people of honest conviction (at least at the national level).

I can prove that the above is true (or the inverse is true) with the impeachment vote.

There's 0% chance that 100% of republicans (save 1) honestly believed there were no grounds for conviction while 100% of democrats honestly believed there was. So some members of at least one party broke oaths to either topple someone they just didn't like, or to preserve party power and protect their own neck.

I can certainly make the case that it's the RNC.

I want to quote this part a second time.
"Unless the Democrats can get their poop in a group and produce an electable candidate"

From 1992 to present: the DNC has lost exactly 1 popular vote (2004) for president.

Congress (including at state level) has the deck stacked from gerrymandering. The courts have the deck stacked from a RNC congress refusing to even vote on appointees until their guy was in office. The entire thing is corrupted by decades of voter suppression and now foreign interference in elections.
 
GO-NAD!

GO-NAD!

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Though the Trump tenure is a new extent of that, it's been the case for some time.

Firstly though, let's not confuse conservativism and liberalism with the parties that support it. The virtues and vices of a theory are not defined by the advocates of that theory.

The DNC is a party of people each working for their own set of goals.
The RNC is a party of people each working to maintain personal power by maintaining party control of the mechanisms of democracy.

The DNC runs the gambit of personalities.
The RNC lacks practically any people of honest conviction (at least at the national level).

I can prove that the above is true (or the inverse is true) with the impeachment vote.

There's 0% chance that 100% of republicans (save 1) honestly believed there were no grounds for conviction while 100% of democrats honestly believed there was. So some members of at least one party broke oaths to either topple someone they just didn't like, or to preserve party power and protect their own neck.

I can certainly make the case that it's the RNC.

I want to quote this part a second time.
"Unless the Democrats can get their poop in a group and produce an electable candidate"

From 1992 to present: the DNC has lost exactly 1 popular vote (2004) for president.

Congress (including at state level) has the deck stacked from gerrymandering. The courts have the deck stacked from a RNC congress refusing to even vote on appointees until their guy was in office. The entire thing is corrupted by decades of voter suppression and now foreign interference in elections.
I have no argument with anything you've stated. There is no question that the Republicans are using any means - unethical and likely illegal - to hang onto power. That said, the Democrats have used gerrymandering to their own advantage, as well, although not nearly to the same extent.

The DNC is a "big tent" party, in comparison with the RNC, with diverse political views and goals. They will probably have to be unify to a degree not seen in generations, in order to defeat Trump. And, they have to capture the centre vote. It's a tall order.
 
JerryLove

JerryLove

Audioholic Samurai
The DNC is a "big tent" party, in comparison with the RNC, with diverse political views and goals. They will probably have to be unify to a degree not seen in generations, in order to defeat Trump. And, they have to capture the centre vote. It's a tall order.
The racism isn't accidental. It's deliberate strategy by the RNC to hold on to power: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

The dysfunctional government isn't accidental either. It's also deliberate strategy: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/11/newt-gingrich-says-youre-welcome/570832/

There's 50 years of party strategy, and their billionaire backers, pushing the party directly down an anti-intellectual, anti-liberal, propagandist, single-issue-voting, partisan path.

We've seen it happen in any number of countries over the centuries... when you create a mass treats politics like a cult, demagogues take over. We could be talking about Robespierre in the French revolution, or Stalin in the Bolsheviki party, or Trump now.

The problem is: I don't know what breaks a population from such tribal fervor. Historically, it seems to only be a lost war; though I certainly hope we are not too far gone for aught else to help.
 
davidscott

davidscott

Audioholic Field Marshall
Bernie scares me a little. But then again so does the Donald. I prefer a more moderate candidate whether it be a Democrat or Republican. Not sure who Id vote for if it comes down to those 2.
 
Gmoney

Gmoney

Senior Audioholic
David I feel ya man, with the way Trump goes off half cocked all the time and Sanders talking about his ideas of Socialist programs and rest calling the pot black they all seem full of it.
 
JerryLove

JerryLove

Audioholic Samurai
Bernie scares me a little. But then again so does the Donald. I prefer a more moderate candidate whether it be a Democrat or Republican. Not sure who Id vote for if it comes down to those 2.
The guy conspiring with our enemies to subvert our democracy for his personal gain, or the guy who would really like congress to pass a law giving healthcare to everyone.

Yea. Tough choice there /s
 
JerryLove

JerryLove

Audioholic Samurai
Whoa, whoa, whoa! Bernie is a commie, not a Nazi - there is a big difference!
I think you missed the point.

And yes. Nazis are fascists, and fascism can be identified as being opposed to liberalism, Marxism, and anarchism.

So... let's see if we can find some people pushing anti-liberalism... see any? Me too.
 
John Parks

John Parks

Senior Audioholic
I think you missed the point.

And yes. Nazis are fascists, and fascism can be identified as being opposed to liberalism, Marxism, and anarchism.

So... let's see if we can find some people pushing anti-liberalism... see any? Me too.
Dude, I was making an (admittedly lame) attempt at a joke; no point was missed.
 
davidscott

davidscott

Audioholic Field Marshall
The guy conspiring with our enemies to subvert our democracy for his personal gain, or the guy who would really like congress to pass a law giving healthcare to everyone.

Yea. Tough choice there /s
So forgiving all student debt is a good idea? Maybe some way of reducing it for some but eliminating it all? So heck lets just all go to college forever and just keep on taking out loans. And If you had read my post you know I'm not a Trump fan at all in fact I'm a registered Dem. I just think Bernie takes this thing way too far. I am with you on the healthcare thing BTW. Moderation in everything :)
 

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