What do you think of current taxes?

[brian32672]

I would argue with anybody that thinks that any child suffers without internet access. Public Libraries have free high speed internet, but even more importantly, there is very little "educational" learning on the internet, by children. I watch our two, who are very adept at playing games, attempting to bypass my rules on no chat room, or sending useless and senseless emails to everybody who was ever stupid enough to provide an email address to them. We have a strict and enforced computer time limits, and we've seen their friends up all night playing on computers, sending emails, etc. We just gave the oldest back her access to MySpace, while we closely monitor it. I had her account on my computer really late one night, logged into her account and a boy from school sent her a note. What was he doing up that late? OK, I know I drifted way off topic, but high speed computer availability is NOT required.

Good points, but I did not say suffer.
And I did bring up the point of public library in the thread I had quoted (see post #32 and click HERE)

I did say, that other children would have an advantage (if the internet is used correclty, and with obvious parental supervision - of course )
However not totally necessary for a child today, but technology at home in the current state of the world IMO is really needed. That is unless, you or most people feel that why even bother letting them learn about computers. The sad thing, is that even today to apply at my local Publix or McDonalds, you will need computer assistance and or knowledge. Yes, that means to apply for a job, you do not need to know how to write, you just need to know how to use a computer (at McDonalds ) Also almost all will ask for a email address. For others, the easiest and fastest way to find a job or public housing is the internet, specially if you are researching on what states/cities to move to - to figure out if your income level can even be supported there. Thats like me saying, I am going to California to find a cheaper place to live.

Shokhead, did see where he posted what I was saying (or rather quoted, that he has already stated this)

Anyhow, I am just rambling. Sorry

 

[brian32672]

I too have a beef with the children issue. My wife (loserwife) and I have chosen to not have children. It has allowed us to make choices and have freedoms that would not have been possible if supporting children was an issue. I was able to put my wife through college and we have been able to buy things that I know would not have been possible. This was our choice and we don't regret it. I consider it the responsible choice. Granted, now I get the crap taxed out of me but it's cheaper than kids (BTW, it's a four letter word to me)

My beef has been all the times in our lives when "the family man or women" get special treatment. I used to hate being told, "He needs the money/overtime more than you because he has a family." or "Let them ahead of you in line because they have kids" or "They need something more than you because they have kids"

If I have to pay for those kids, at least I should get a little p#$$y!

This I agree with.
My points were more for the single family just trying to start out (and with 1 child)

I most certainly am not talking about those people on welfare that continually pop out children so they can get a a FATTER welfare check, and more foodstamps. They also claim disabled and do not want to work when they are very capable.
I think those people should be sh@t. Or at least castrated.
They clearly are not making sound financial judgements, and are simply living off the government.
I mean, heck they were on welfare with the first child, but now have four, and allow the children to run the streets.
That is a joke, but then again, where do you draw the line.
(or rather, figure out a plan on where to draw the line, because those people that are legitimate, they will suffer as well)



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As usual, I see there is quite a difference in opinions on welfare. I don't believe that was the real issue at hand when the thread was started.

Yeah, that is why I had said this below. And did not want to mess up BMX's thread more than it should be.

I started reading this thread when BMX started it. And I knew it would go off slightly into tangents and clearly start pointing fingers at the people on food stamps and the like.

BTW, thanks for jumping in Dave.

 

[shokhead]

Some people cant manage money. My 62 year old sister still gets money from my mom to this day. A few K here,a few K there and my mon feels so sorry for her she had her will redone so she gets everything. I remember my sister crying about eating cereal 3 times aday because her,her husband and kids had nothing else to eat. BTW,they had just rented 5 movies to watch over the weekend.

 

[Rock&Roll Ninja]

Some people cant manage money. My 62 year old sister still gets money from my mom to this day. A few K here,a few K there and my mon feels so sorry for her she had her will redone so she gets everything. I remember my sister crying about eating cereal 3 times aday because her,her husband and kids had nothing else to eat. BTW,they had just rented 5 movies to watch over the weekend.

Well which one do you want to slap harder?

 

[Resident Loser]

And Brian...

...I guess you didn't read my post (#25) in this thread and I am sorry for your misfortune...I will reproduce the salient point here:

I'm not saying there aren't legitimate exceptions, but it is my belief far fewer than most would have us believe. There is a segment of the population who seem to think that something is owed to them simply by virtue of their existence and others who play the system to their own advantage...we really need to clean house, so those who are in true need can easily get what they deserve and those who don't get a good swift kick in the @$$.

However, the bulk of my post (#36) referred to the couple you spoke of...my questions for you were separate from those comments, so please don't commingle them.

jimHJJ(...and I believe the observations contained in the body of post #36 are still quite valid...)

 

[Resident Loser]

And again...

My points were more for the single family just trying to start out (and with 1 child)

...a pointed question...whose responsibility is that?

If you can't afford to do something, whether it's buy a car or start a family, save until you can...until then, act responsibly, don't depend on the dole and keep it in your pants!

jimHJJ(...it's called personal responsibility...a little-used commodity nowadays...)

 

[brian32672]

However, the bulk of my post (#36) referred to the couple you spoke of...my questions for you were separate from those comments, so please don't commingle them.

I am not trying to mix-up what you said. I don't even see how you took it that way.
No big deal, I just felt as though I am being attacked because I make 700.00 a month (disability check, not welfare) and am on foodstamps (which was just lowered again).

I am done in this thread, and have posted very little here at AH as of recently. One reason, is I guess that I do not see eye to eye with all the fellows that have 50,000 in equipment. And are so much better than so many others. I always try to find great bargains for people on a budget, and I get ridiculed for it quite often. So I keep my posting down, and really should not have even bothered with making any points in this thread. My bad.


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...a pointed question...whose responsibility is that?

If you can't afford to do something, whether it's buy a car or start a family, save until you can...until then, act responsibly, don't depend on the dole and keep it in your pants!

jimHJJ(...it's called personal responsibility...a little-used commodity nowadays...)

Clearly you are a Resident Loser.

Gee Wally, I did get a 16yr old pregnant (my mistake), but I must take responsibility for that child and in good graces it would be best to marry and support the old lady as well.
Man, that must never happen. Hmm, I think it happens quite often. Do you actually think a 17yr old boy and 16yr old girl have their mind set on financial future?
I think, they are just trying to get by, until he and she has 5 years of experience in their minimal pay jobs, to finally get a better job. And it's not like this is a new thing, heck I think my mother got pregnant at 17 (may of been 18) with my older brother.

 

[Rock&Roll Ninja]

This I agree with.
My points were more for the single family just trying to start out (and with 1 child)

I most certainly am not talking about those people on welfare that continually pop out children so they can get a a FATTER welfare check, and more foodstamps. They also claim disabled and do not want to work when they are very capable.
I think those people should be sh@t.

Unemployed Military spouses also get additional funds for the more children they prodouce and get the same WIC (foodstamps). They get the same government paid healthcare too (only its not called Medicaid).

Why should they(the spouses and children) get anything for nothing? Doesn't the country pay their military-employed spouses money every other week? [sarcasm]I think we should castrate all enlisted soldiers (and hysterectomise the females of course) to put a stopper on these wasted government dollars for dependants who arent working[/sarcasm]

 

[Resident Loser]

And again...

Gee Wally, I did get a 16yr old pregnant (my mistake), but I must take responsibility for that child and in good graces it would be best to marry and support the old lady as well.
Man, that must never happen. Hmm, I think it happens quite often. Do you actually think a 17yr old boy and 16yr old girl have their mind set on financial future?
I think, they are just trying to get by, until he and she has 5 years of experience in their minimal pay jobs, to finally get a better job. And it's not like this is a new thing, heck I think my mother got pregnant at 17 (may of been 18) with my older brother.

...who's fault/responsibility is any of that? There was a time pre-marital sexual relations were considered taboo...not a rite-of-passage...Perhaps their situation will be a lesson to them and their offspring...

jimHJJ(...my response: you made your bed, now lie in it...)

 

[majorloser]

...who's fault/responsibility is any of that? There was a time pre-marital sexual relations were considered taboo...not a rite-of-passage...Perhaps their situation will be a lesson to them and their offspring...

jimHJJ(...my response: you made your bed, now lie in it...)

Yeah, and as I recall that was also the time in our country when back room abortions were also common. Do we want that again? Pre-marital sex is nothing new. Having children out of wedlock is also not new. The difference is now women aren't treated as second class citizens for it. Let's not forget that it takes two. Pre-marital sex for a man was never a big deal in America.

You asked, "Who's fault or responsibility is that?" As usual it falls on the parents to teach children responsibility and self worth. The value of a dollar and what it take to EARN it must be taught by example.

 

[shokhead]

To many children are raised in a home where all they see is what is given to there parents and there parents complaining out loud that they dont get enough. If i've talked to one,i've talked to 1000 over 22 years at a school where the kids say,i'll never do what you do. I'm glad i'll tell them. What are you going to do. Nothing,i dont need to work. We get everything free. I get that same answer over and over and over.

 

[majorloser]

To many children are raised in a home where all they see is what is given to there parents and there parents complaining out loud that they dont get enough. If i've talked to one,i've talked to 1000 over 22 years at a school where the kids say,i'll never do what you do. I'm glad i'll tell them. What are you going to do. Nothing,i dont need to work. We get everything free. I get that same answer over and over and over.

EXACTLY!

Like I stated above, the value of hard work and self pride has to be taught at home. It's not the government's job to teach children, even though most think so since there's public education. There are those whom honestly need and DESERVE public assistance. Then there are those whom feel they are automatically entitled to public assistance.

 

[highfihoney]

the people pointing their fingers at our military are forgetting one very important detail,the men & women in the military ARE providing us with a service & the welfare collecting suction devices are not.

 

[jaxvon]

the people pointing their fingers at our military are forgetting one very important detail,the men & women in the military ARE providing us with a service & the welfare collecting suction devices are not.

And while the equipment they use costs a bundle, the individual people don't get paid crap. Although, I've heard that our soldiers in Iraq are eating very well, so I'm happy for that.

 

[majorloser]

Why should they(the spouses and children) get anything for nothing? [/sarcasm]

Because they are making a sacrifice everytime their loved one goes into harms way for you. You go tell the wife of a soldier who is over in Iraq she doesn't deserve anything.

 

[BMXTRIX]

Hey, I've got an idea...

Why not cut military spending by 50%, give everyone a 20% tax break, and then double the amount of spending for all social services and schooling, etc.

Then STILL come out ahead?

In the world of hundred dollar bills it seems people are pretty darn hung up on the nickles and dimes.

A person who falls into bad luck through NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN - In my opinion, deserves a helping hand. Unemployment taxes and other taxes help to pay for that. I don't disagree with them as long as the government tries to actually hold someone accountable for the money they receive.

Picking on any individual, or using any single individual as a standard by which to judge all others is simply a lousy and short-sighted way of doing things. There will always be people at both ends of the spectrum, and a whole lot of people right in between the two. Some who want a job, are willing to work, but aren't looking as hard as they should. Those who find a job, but realize they will earn LESS by taking that job then by staying on welfare, etc.

That last group is one that drives me nuts... Actually the policy drives me nuts. A person who is willing to work, so they pay taxes, should definitely be getting more for their efforts instead of less. Those who either put forth no effort, or very little, and are capable, deserve the least... or actually NOTHING. Those who want to contribute but can't... through no fault of their own need, and I believe deserve, a bit to get by on. But, this should fall a bit on family members as well.

I imagine some day my father may be old and sick and may need to live with me. He's family, and my door is open to him if, or when, he needs it.

Brian is a tough example simply because I don't know him. There are people who know him who will defend him because he is a good guy, and all indications are that he IS a good guy. But, his brain seems to work, he seems to be able to type alright... not sure of his age, but it does seem that if the government wanted his burden on them to be less, then they could help him find a job that is suited for him. Brian choosing not to take that job may well be his own decision and at that point it all comes into question. Not necessarily Brian though - anyone. Anyone given the chance to do more who refuses... what do they really deserve?

Sometimes you don't get the job you love, you take the job that is available.

Or perish? I've gotta wonder why they should be allowed to continue when there is no justification for it?

As for the guys working in the rain - I've gotta say that a person making a living doing hard work deserves a paycheck. They should be salaried folk who earn their money. Never - EVER - sent home without pay. You can't make the bills if you live on a erradic income. An employer also can't maintain good employees when they can't guarantee them a regular paycheck. No, I don't want them in the rain if it doesn't fix the problem. But, I don't think they shouldn't be paid either. Find something else worthwhile to do with them and their time. Train, learn, educate, clean, etc. Just so much to do, why not do it?

 

[BMXTRIX]

Because they are making a sacrifice everytime their loved one goes into harms way for you. You go tell the wife of a soldier who is over in Iraq she doesn't deserve anything.

She deserves exactly what her husband earns. Why does she deserve MORE because she has extra kids and her neighbor with only one kid and a husband off fighting side-by-side deserve one cent less?

Miltary families have a lot of very ethically questionable things going on with them as it relates to real world living. I don't know enough details and would probably irk to many people to make many comments on it though.

 

[Rock&Roll Ninja]

And while the equipment they use costs a bundle, the individual people don't get paid crap. Although, I've heard that our soldiers in Iraq are eating very well, so I'm happy for that.

Free college, free health insurance, free dental insurance, free vision-care plans, free food, reduced price consumer goods on post, sign-on and re-enlistment bonuses (an extra $10,000-$40,000 for ARMY light infantry, $100,000+ for re-enlisting NAVY S.E.A.L. w/combat experience, God only knows what for re-enlisting doctors), reduced car insurance, Free apartment (or house for families), if your married you get even more money for doing no extra work, more kids = more extra money for no extra work, free life insurance, and a guaranteed pension.

Sure a takehome paycheck of X-dollars for a new recruit may sound like chump change, but when you add in the benefits you're effectively giving 17 year old kids a $100,000/year job with no college education. Some of them didn't even graduate highschool.

If they have 3 kids when they enlist you get a 4 bedroom house... In some posts (say California), thats a free $750,000 piece of property. No rent or property taxes due, thank you very much sign on the dotted line.

Sure they have a very real risk of getting shot overseas, but you also get to pick you MOS (your "job") when you enlist: Wanna be in the infantry? thats fine, but don't look suprised when the diesel mechanic or the radiologist get the same benefits package and don't get shot at.

 

[majorloser]

You don't know Brian's situation. A good reason not to comment on it. It would also seem you are blind to the situations of the world we live in if you believe your statements. You are also correct that you don't know enough details and will probably irk too MANY people when you comment about our military and their families.

Please don't make comments that are inflammatory just to see if you can get a rise. There are a lot of hard working people that have given for the sake of others. This country was founded on the principle that the less fortunate can have another chance and will not be persecuted. Our military was founded to protect our rights and help defend the less fortunate.

 

[sjdgpt]

I don't mind taxes, what I dislike are people who avoid paying taxes, thus increasing the impact of taxes on my meager wages.

Oh, and why should my tax dollars be spent on projects that I don't support?
Damn Congressman never listens to my pleads to stop funding his own pet projects.