What do you think of current taxes?

[sts9fan]

Hey sts9fan or should I say comrade?

That does not offend me and is quite outdated.

What happens in nature when a critter can't take care of itself or young? They perish! That's what happens to the weak and unfit. Do you think your doing the human race a favor keeping the unfit afloat?

We are better then critters

Why am I respnsible for your food,health,shelter, survival in general. I take care of myself first, family second, freinds third, public charity last(witch is hard because the gov claims this part first!)

Because you have a underlying will for the good of all mankind! I also think its sad you put yourself before you family. I would starve to death before my family goes without.

 

[Resident Loser]

I always find it...

What would a Ignoramus do if they got no money from the government?? Oh kill people for food. Sounds great to me. I think it is really sad that a person you can afford 50k in audio gear is compaining they need more money.

...amusing, that the most ardent defenders of "social justice" come from areas like Newton that are 88% white with a median family income of over $125K and have 2% of families below the poverty line...

Reminds me of the Kennedy's pontificating from their compound in Hyannis...

jimHJJ(...or wherever...)

 

[sts9fan]

...amusing, that the most ardent defenders of "social justice" come from areas like Newton that are 88% white with a median family income of over $125K and have 2% of families below the poverty line...

Reminds me of the Kennedy's pontificating from their compound in Hyannis...

jimHJJ(...or wherever...)

Why? If people who are well off(not talking about me) do not help then who will?

 

[df4801]

I just purchased multiple item in the past month - total over $15K.
All 3 sellers gave me significant discounts for paying with cash.

Why would they do that? Uhmmm.

Frankly, none of my business why. I saved thousands.

Does anybody else now realize why a sales tax system would be better?

 

[Resident Loser]

It's very easy...

Why? If people who are well off(not talking about me) do not help then who will?

...to talk the talk (not you) at others expense and yet still have a NIMBY attitude...some affordable public housing on the Cape, perhaps? If people who are well-off wish to contribute more than their share, by all means, go for it...it just seems they have so many loopholes when it comes to the bottom line come April 15th...

Disproportionate is a word that comes to mind...three levels of income tax, FICA/Medicare/Medicaid, two of sales tax (three for certain items), property taxes plus water/sewer bills(including taxes), auto registration fees with mass-transit surcharges, utility fees with govt. mandated taxes and surcharges...Taxes on the interest for the money I choose to save for retirement (Lord knows about the viability of soc. sec.), tolls with taxes and surcharges, summonses with additional surcharges...and while that last item is a result of one's own stupidity, those extra charges are supposed to be used for repair/maint of the road infrastructure, yet always seem to end up in the municipalities general funds, as do most of the other previously mentioned, agenda-specific surcharges...

I'm not saying there aren't legitimate exceptions, but it is my belief far fewer than most would have us believe. There is a segment of the population who seem to think that something is owed to them simply by virtue of their existence and others who play the system to their own advantage...we really need to clean house, so those who are in true need can easily get what they deserve and those who don't get a good swift kick in the @$$.

jimHJJ(...Give a man a fish and he'll have dinner...teach a man to fish and he'll have food for a lifetime...)

 

[highfihoney]

What would a Ignoramus do if they got no money from the government?? Oh kill people for food. Sounds great to me. I think it is really sad that a person you can afford 50k in audio gear is compaining they need more money.

what would an ignoramus do if they got money from the government"

example #1

my stupid fat lazy greasy brother in law is one of THEM that gets FREE government cash for being a lazy pig,to people like you who dont know him he would look like somebody who deserves social security because he is so stupid but to people who know him (me) all he looks like is a bag of skin who survive's by finding loopholes in the system then exploiting them to the max, i have offered him a good paying job atleast 100 times, his response is always the same, if i go to work i'll loose my $500 a month social security for being A.D.D he also sells his food stamp credit card most of the time to buy stupid s#!t like cigarettes & he is not alone either, there are millions of leeches just like him.

example #2

around xmas time a few years back i offered all my guys the chance to work saturday & sunday for double time cash with no taxes taken so they could have a great xmas,the one person who did not want to work told me he could not work because he had to go to TOYS FOR TOTS to get xmas presents for his kids, when i asked him how come he prefered to go mooch for gifts for his children instead of walking into a store like a man & buying them his response was, if i dont go this year i wont be eligible next year a looser pre planning next years mooch.

whats sad is people just like you who look at people like me & think they have it all figured out, i can afford $50k in audio gear because ive worked my balls off my whole life, its nice to sit on a throne of self rightousness like you do but you are out of touch with reality.

i AM a person who GIVES good paying jobs with excellent insurance to (less fortunate) & young people & i also give from myself to people deserving of my help like the senior citizens who i help by repairing their homes for free at my own expense or the donations i give to help the families of murdered police men but i refuse to feel sorry for able bodied men & women who are capable of working but choose instead to suck thier existence from the nipples of taxpayers all the while blaming society for not giving them a chance.

you dont have a clue as to how lazy most people really are who suck the system dry.

 

[sts9fan]

Resident Loser I agree with what you say.

HiFiHoney:

The big difference is I feel the lazy are the exception and you feel they are the rule. Unfortuately nither of us can prove we are right.

 

[shokhead]

Lady walks into a school cafe with her app for the free breakfast and lunch program. She hands it to the cafe Supervisor. She checks it over and tells the parent,i'm sorry you make to much, you wont qualify. Oh give it back to me. She does and changes the amounts and hands it back,now do i?

 

[ironlung]

We are better then critters

This is your first step in the wrong direction.

We are the smartest, most powerful and only critters that are self aware. We are critters non the less.

Because you have a underlying will for the good of all mankind.

If I have the will and the means to help mankind I might. IT'S OPTIONAL. Do you get a warm fuzzy when someone has a gun to your head helping themselves to a little "charity" out of your pocket.

Your survival is no ones responsibility but yours.

When I say help myself that would include wife and children. Family would be siblings/parents.

 

[BMXTRIX]

There are a lot of moral questions that come up when talking about taxes...

People are acting like 80% of the tax money we are paying is going towards education and welfare.

Come on! Our budget goes one and only one direction from almost top to bottom with the teenie bit left over for everything else.

Our almighty military.

I do NOT have a problem with taxes, I do have a problem with forced social security savings as I do far better with my investment accounts - which I actually have. But, I find that our government is a total joke when it comes to managing its own money. The military is most definitely one of the worst offenders of funds that exists and it is within every single department, branch, and division of the military that money is poorly spent, over spent, or horrendously misguided.

Trust me - as an A/V contractor for the government, you better believe how wasteful the military is as it pays my expense reports and paychecks.

Now, if we cut military spending in half, tripled the budget for other programs, still reduced taxes all around, properly managed existing funds... It would all be great.

Managing funds? Yeah, that means that Joe Mooch who is scamming the system for welfare is kicked to the curb where he belongs. Miss Thang with her 8 kids and pregnant again might be due for a little reality check about personal responsibility. I have an issue when women forget that they aren't married and don't have a job when they invite their boyfriends over. No common sense.

How about kicking half of those on welfare to the curb to go find jobs like they should be?

No question in my mind - of those able bodied people out there that are poor, a great majority have earned every bit of it. But, I still feel that those who want better should be given the hand to achieve better. But, they have to show results, not just ask for hand outs.

Really though - someone complaining about someone filling potholes? Or is it the 'in the rain' part? I'm not a road technician so I don't know how bad that is. If that guy will earn a paycheck whether he is filling potholes or not, I would rather have him out doing it in the rain and the fill only lasting half as long then pay him to sit at the office reading old Playboys.

There are simply to many lazy and dumb people. Not sure which there is more of really. But the worst is the combination of the two. I have to question at some level the lack of responsiblity of others. The lack of accountability of our government, and the increasing failures of the system which we should be screaming at.

Not all kids SHOULD be in school.
Not all poor people want to make something of their lives.
No person should feel entitled to hold a job.
No salaray should be expected by someone.
No tax money should be wasted on frivilous purchases.

Yet, it all continues... and things are NOT getting better. So, I do have a problem with my taxes the way they are right now.

 

[highfihoney]

Really though - someone complaining about someone filling potholes? Or is it the 'in the rain' part? I'm not a road technician so I don't know how bad that is. If that guy will earn a paycheck whether he is filling potholes or not, I would rather have him out doing it in the rain and the fill only lasting half as long then pay him to sit at the office reading old Playboys.

you cant patch potholes in the rain because the asphalt wont stick,the binding agent used to hold asphalt together is a tar made from petroleum ,if the surface is wet the asphalt wont stick,they might as well throw dirt in the potholes as to patch a pothole in the rain.

poor quality s#!t work like that is the reason we all see so many d.o.t. trucks along side the road durring new road cunstruction,they inspect & keep quality control on the new roads so as not to duplicate the s#!t work that was done on most road construction over many years,if its raining paving stops,this type of quality control only applies to outsourced contractors,too bad the government dont use these types of quality control on their own employee's.

instead of dreaming up stuff for city/state employee's to do like the potholes in the rain they should either have them do something constructive or send them home without pay but they dont,all of this points to the lazieness & incompetence of city/state managers who instead of finding something constructive for their employees to do they just say f-it & let them keep patching because they are to lazy to reorginize their manpower for the day.

total up the entire cost of a 5 man patching crew for 1 day including benifits at state pay scale & the costs are over $3,000 for doing something that wont last a month.

 

[brian32672]

I started reading this thread when BMX started it. And I knew it would go off slightly into tangents and clearly start pointing fingers at the people on food stamps and the like.
We had another thread that started going into the same tangent, please read this thread HERE.

I just get a tad angry, when I feel that I am one of the people being talked about.
Anyhow, you (you=not pointing any direct finger at anyone) try living on 700.00 a month (which is what I get, = less than minimal wage).

I know that even a couple that is starting out and makes minimal wage, each person takes home 200.00 a week x 4 weeks = 800.00 a month x 2 people = $1600.00 a month. And it is said these people can barely afford a 1 bedroom apartment, food, electricity, gas, normal amenities, cable, phone, possibly a cell phone, internet that nowadays is a must, etc....................

 

[shokhead]

Scratch the internet and cell.

 

[brian32672]

Scratch the internet and cell.

You said the same thing in the other thread, and I guess you just don't get it.
Please read some of these articles.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/2295447.stm
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/31809_inernetop.shtml (granted this one is based on poor countries, but the need for in-home internet can be seen as a plus for the instant information on a medical need, whether researching a medical condition, or purchasing equipment, etc. Also as a learning tool for the young - which take my example of that a couple starting out and makes 1600.00 and actually has 1 child, clearly any and all children that have internet access at home will have an advantage to the child that does not)
http://www.samuelbrittan.co.uk/text41_p.html (good article, but not meant for the showing of internet and or cell need)
http://www.childrenspartnership.org/AM/Template.cfm?Section=Home&TEMPLATE=/CM/ContentDisplay.cfm&CONTENTID=7142 (this shows exaclty what I am talking about)

 

[ironlung]

.....food, electricity, gas, normal amenities, cable, phone, possibly a cell phone, internet that nowadays is a must, etc....................

Cable, cell, internet are a must? Do "normal amenities" include AV and computer equiptment? Let me guess. Your entitled to such things and it's my responsibility to pay if you can't.

 

[Resident Loser]

I'm sorry...

I know that even a couple that is starting out and makes minimal wage, each person takes home 200.00 a week x 4 weeks = 800.00 a month x 2 people = $1600.00 a month. And it is said these people can barely afford a 1 bedroom apartment, food, electricity, gas, normal amenities, cable, phone, possibly a cell phone, internet that nowadays is a must, etc....................

...food, clothing and shelter are what is required; your "amenities" like CATV, cellphone and internet access are not...

Food? Most likely the overpriced, non-nutritious, supermarket, fast-food? Or is it Col. Macwendybelle's?...For the price of one of those heavily advertised, mass-market, salt and fat laden, brand name packages, a healthful meal for a family of four can be prepared...unfortunately it requires work...but we're too busy surfing the net and talking on our cell, right.

Clothing? Wal-mart provides good values...but no, even without a pot to p!$$ in, we gotsta' have the name brands...

Shelter can problematic but not impossible...everyone I know started out small, but worked (with OT or even two-jobs)...did without the "amenities", scrimped and saved...that's how it works...

There is no free-lunch...you get nothing for nothing...

jimHJJ(...why do you get $700 a month anyway...can't you work?...I'd suggest Hi-Fi and/or HT wouldn't be my concern were I in that position...)

 

[brian32672]

Cable, cell, internet are a must?

Well, I'll let you know. I live in a retirement condo and it is the cheapest place I can live at the moment.
Cable by chance is included in the required monthly maintenance fee (which is astronomical)

jimHJJ(...why do you get $700 a month anyway...can't you work?...I'd suggest Hi-Fi and/or HT wouldn't be my concern were I in that position...)

I guess you did not read that other thread I had said please read.
You will see I am disabled, if you feel not reading that post I will say it here as well.
I fell from a 5 story building and broke every bone in my face (total facial reconstructive surgery)
tracheometry because I had a shattered jaw.
Broke both arms in multiple places.
Shattered both wrists (this is one of my main disabilities)
Many more injuries but that is the gist of it.




EDIT::: Added these quotes:

...food, clothing and shelter are what is required; your "amenities" like CATV, cellphone and internet access are not...

I guess you must just want to pass over what I typed. This time not even in a different thread.
Please read post #34

Let me guess. Your entitled to such things and it's my responsibility to pay if you can't.

As well here. Please read post #32 and click the HERE link. Then read that entire thread (it's actually a short thread)

 

[shokhead]

You said the same thing in the other thread, and I guess you just don't get it.
Please read some of these articles.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/2295447.stm
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/31809_inernetop.shtml (granted this one is based on poor countries, but the need for in-home internet can be seen as a plus for the instant information on a medical need, whether researching a medical condition, or purchasing equipment, etc. Also as a learning tool for the young - which take my example of that a couple starting out and makes 1600.00 and actually has 1 child, clearly any and all children that have internet access at home will have an advantage to the child that does not)
http://www.samuelbrittan.co.uk/text41_p.html (good article, but not meant for the showing of internet and or cell need)
http://www.childrenspartnership.org/AM/Template.cfm?Section=Home&TEMPLATE=/CM/ContentDisplay.cfm&CONTENTID=7142 (this shows exaclty what I am talking about)

Sorry if i did but i dont remember so show me. Cell phone and internet bill or food on the table? Let me think about it.

 

[philh]

Interesting discussion. Through some forced and voluntary lifestyle changes, we are dealing with considerably less income then two years ago. It forced me to take a hard look at every single expense and do a bottom up budget. It was amazing when I finished how much difference there was in our monthly budget, while not impacting a single thing, except for how often we ate out and how quick we just bought something because we could.

Still running very very tight, but we have the cell phones, internet, satellite, etc. Don't need to eliminate those "optional" things. Also have managed to keep my lake front house. The irony though, I would have nearly an equivalent mortgage payment in same size house off the lake. Got very lucky with my purchase.

Local schools had a school bond millage proposal on the ballot Tuesday. On the way to go vote, the oldest (9th grader) encouraged us to vote yes. So, I asked her if she knew how much the bond would cost us. She didn't, so we told her exactly how much it would impact the household. I then asked a really important question, are you willing to give up either the phone or the internet to get a new high school built? She was not, but the youngest (7th grader) said she would give up the internet

I would argue with anybody that thinks that any child suffers without internet access. Public Libraries have free high speed internet, but even more importantly, there is very little "educational" learning on the internet, by children. I watch our two, who are very adept at playing games, attempting to bypass my rules on no chat room, or sending useless and senseless emails to everybody who was ever stupid enough to provide an email address to them. We have a strict and enforced computer time limits, and we've seen their friends up all night playing on computers, sending emails, etc. We just gave the oldest back her access to MySpace, while we closely monitor it. I had her account on my computer really late one night, logged into her account and a boy from school sent her a note. What was he doing up that late? OK, I know I drifted way off topic, but high speed computer availability is NOT required.

 

[majorloser]

As usual, I see there is quite a difference in opinions on welfare. I don't believe that was the real issue at hand when the thread was started.

I might be in position to know a few things about some of the areas others have commented on here:

I personally know Brian. I know what he owns, where he lives and his financial situation. I probably shouldn't even comment on his situation but you guys are WAY out of line. Let's just say he makes it through life with help from family and friends. Also, he has made smart choices in his past to help pay his way for now. The future is another story. SO BACK OFF!

There was other comments about city/state employees and their managers. Something I have a little bit of knowledge. I'll just say that what little money is available will be spent as wisely as possible. If you think it is easy, budget your spending for next FY now. Oh, and by the way, after the end of this month (March) no changes to the budget (which doesn't start till Oct '06 and ends on Sept '07). One small little detail, your income is fixed and can not be increased and you can't borrow money. Let's see if you have any money left by Sept '07.

I too have a beef with the children issue. My wife (loserwife) and I have chosen to not have children. It has allowed us to make choices and have freedoms that would not have been possible if supporting children was an issue. I was able to put my wife through college and we have been able to buy things that I know would not have been possible. This was our choice and we don't regret it. I consider it the responsible choice. Granted, now I get the crap taxed out of me but it's cheaper than kids (BTW, it's a four letter word to me)

My beef has been all the times in our lives when "the family man or women" get special treatment. I used to hate being told, "He needs the money/overtime more than you because he has a family." or "Let them ahead of you in line because they have kids" or "They need something more than you because they have kids"

If I have to pay for those kids, at least I should get a little p#$$y!