Understanding speaker power rating vs sensitivity

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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
Around 85dB, but when there is a party I need it to work at >90. Sometimes I also like to crank it up a bit for a song, but keep it short.

This whole ordeal is I want the system to be able to handle reference volume. Not that I always play at that level. It now does that just fine but had no chance whatsoever before the power amp.
It all makes sense since you provided most if not all of the information specific to your use case. I think some of us are concerned that if you do listen to reference, or even close to that for sustained period of time, you really need to consider the possibility of hear loss, whatever's lost (unlike eyesight), you won't get it back. For short time duration occasionally it's supposedly fine, though I still wouldn't risk it. Is 75-80 dB not acceptable for such occasional party levels?
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
Around 85dB, but when there is a party I need it to work at >90. Sometimes I also like to crank it up a bit for a song, but keep it short.

This whole ordeal is I want the system to be able to handle reference volume. Not that I always play at that level. It now does that just fine but had no chance whatsoever before the power amp.
Average level or peak? Movie reference volume?
 
Kingnoob

Kingnoob

Audioholic Samurai
Usually I am below 150dB

Loud movie theaters are the reason why I have ear pain almost daily movies were so loud at cinemark. Oddly enough one room has just tv speakers and it hurts my ears more then my speakers.
 
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Petrolhead

Audioholic Intern
With, or without hearing protection?
Thank you all for the concern for my well being. Outmost appreciated. I do not listen to 150dB music yet as i need more power and bigger speakers.

Now back to next question. With fairly large main speakers, do I also need a large center channel or does it not matter to much? Currently I have none so i think that’s next
 
everettT

everettT

Audioholic Spartan
Thank you all for the concern for my well being. Outmost appreciated. I do not listen to 150dB music yet as i need more power and bigger speakers.

Now back to next question. With fairly large main speakers, do I also need a large center channel or does it not matter to much? Currently I have none so i think that’s next
Your center channel is as important as your LR speakers. Aside from dialogue there is a tremendous amount of energy that is directed to it. A 3 way center is always recommended unless you have a vertical speaker. Coaxial speakers are a great option due to their horizontal and vertical dispersion.

If you're wanting the best home theater performance your center should be equal to your mains in capability.
 
Kingnoob

Kingnoob

Audioholic Samurai
Your center channel is as important as your LR speakers. Aside from dialogue there is a tremendous amount of energy that is directed to it. A 3 way center is always recommended unless you have a vertical speaker. Coaxial speakers are a great option due to their horizontal and vertical dispersion.

If you're wanting the best home theater performance your center should be equal to your mains in capability.
It seems like a lot of centers are inferior to the mains . Yet surround is mixed mostly to the center.
I’m not using a center, It won’t fit . I used it until 2 years ago.
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
It seems like a lot of centers are inferior to the mains . Yet surround is mixed mostly to the center.
I’m not using a center, It won’t fit . I used it until 2 years ago.
If you have large (meaning large enough:)) FL/FR and you only sit in the MMP/MLP, then it is best to skip the center speakers. Size of the FL/FR only matter/mean good to some extent, for example, as long as they can really do 105 dB peak, 85 dB average all day long at your MLP, at distortions near or below the threshold of audibility and still have another 6 to 10 db to go in case you need to sit further, then there is no reason to worry about their sizes, in fact smaller may be better for some people/rooms.
 
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highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
Thank you all for the concern for my well being. Outmost appreciated. I do not listen to 150dB music yet as i need more power and bigger speakers.

Now back to next question. With fairly large main speakers, do I also need a large center channel or does it not matter to much? Currently I have none so i think that’s next
120dB USED TO be called 'threshold of pain', now that's called 'threshold of feeling'- threshold of pain has increased to 130dB. When an audio system is involved, a 10dB increase in SPL comes from increasing power by 10 times, assuming all other things are the same. 150dB is barely survivable and definitely not if exposure is long-term. It also means the power (again, all other things are equal) has increased by 100 times over 130dB, 1000 times more than what was used to achieve 120dB. Sound pressure isn't measured on a linear scale, nor do we hear on a linear scale, so increases by a factor of 10 are very relavant to our perception of loudness.

Loudness is one thing, intensity is another- what we hear can sound loud when it's actually not, but the intensity makes us believe it is loud because of our increased sensitivity centered in the 3KHz-4KHz range, but we're also more sensitive in the range from 1KHz-5KHz, compared to the ranges above and below. The chart shows typical human hearing sensitivity (only one of many, with varying results- I'm only showing it to make a point)-

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This image is a CDC noise exposure chart- you should note that it doesn't show anything above 100dBA and that's because there is no amount of time for exposure to that SPL which is safe for a person's hearing. Now, increase it to 150dB and the damage occurs immediately. It's permanent, too.

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highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
It seems like a lot of centers are inferior to the mains . Yet surround is mixed mostly to the center.
I’m not using a center, It won’t fit . I used it until 2 years ago.
Dialog and some sounds are mixed to the center, a lot of the sound (anything needed to fill out the front of the sonic 'image' still goes to the front main speakers. A center channel can't compete with the mains because they have two channels of power and two speakers- assuming the center channel's sensitivity is the same as the mains, one main channel's output of 1W might be 90dB@1 meter, but adding another speaker when total power is 1W achieves 93dB. Doubling the power to 1W/speaker achieves 96dB but the center, which is 90dB/W @1meter is still only 90dB.
 
everettT

everettT

Audioholic Spartan
It seems like a lot of centers are inferior to the mains . Yet surround is mixed mostly to the center.
I’m not using a center, It won’t fit . I used it until 2 years ago.
Yes they are as marketing wants to sell product. Very few MTM centers I've
seen measure well and are sold more as an add on. What @PENG said about skipping the center if you're not able to "do it right" is the way to go.

If you don't have the space, a phantom center from LR speakers will serve you better.
 
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