Trolling 201: Advanced Flooshing

[mike c]

like mulester said ... there is NO satellite that can produce the same FULL sound that a decent bookshelf can produce. i HAD satellites before, and I eventually heard the stark difference between bookshelves and satellites.

it is up to YOU if you want "nice" with ok sound - go with satellites.
if you want great sound at the cost of nice - go with the bookshelves

choice is simple.

 

[Tomorrow]

Here it is, Energy Act6 vs the Infinity speaks (39.00 ones) or the Acustech ones. I dotn care what kind of speakers they are. Satilites certainly look better when placed next to my plasma, but tower speakers are fine to. Problem with the Infinity's is that I dont want to buy stands for them. And attaching a bookshelf speaker that is as large as teh Primus 150 is not going to be attactive.........

Okay, this is it. Who let rak_32 back in?! LOL.

Tell ya what, ventwood0. The Infinity speaker sale is probably over with by now, or certainly Circuit City is sold out. So go out and actually listen to some satellite speakers, get yourself the ones that look and sound best to you, that you can afford, that are the right color and that your wife/gf will approve, and that your neighbors will adore.

We don't do home decorating. Bye.

 

[Sheep]

Okay, this is it. Who let rak_32 back in?! LOL.

Tell ya what, ventwood0. The Infinity speaker sale is probably over with by now, or certainly Circuit City is sold out. So go out and actually listen to some satellite speakers, get yourself the ones that look and sound best to you, that you can afford, that are the right color and that your wife/gf will approve, and that your neighbors will adore.

We don't do home decorating. Bye.

Well said! We don't choose for you.

SheepStar

 

[ventwood0]

I am sorry if I have been a nunscience, I was planing to go to circuit city this saturday to check out the Infinity Speakers.

 

[mulester7]

I am sorry if I have been a nuisance, I was planing to go to circuit city this saturday to check out the Infinity Speakers.

.....nothing to do with being a nuisance, Ventwood, we've all jumped back and forth on choosing what to buy especially when we're not able to hear any of the choices....what you're wanting more than anything is to have something better than the TV speakers, right?....I'd say that's a very noble goal, and any speakers/sub combo mentioned in this whole thread will accomplish that, and accomplish it very well....my personal choice of all that were mentioned, would be the Acoustech speakers/sub for $799 and you'd have a real home theater....but, that may be a little pricey for you, no foul there....so, check out the Infinity's at Circuit City that RJ suggested first, as you mentioned you plan to do....if they're out, I would go with the Energy act6 system next for $600 in the link provided earlier....after that would probably be the Velodyne system for $499 Ron Temple brought you by link....happy hunting, Ventwood, and let us know what you end up getting......

 

[Tomorrow]

I am sorry if I have been a nunscience, I was planing to go to circuit city this saturday to check out the Infinity Speakers.

Aw, it's okay, ventwood. It's just that we've recently been tortured by a (now former) member who kept asking for opinions, and then came up with denials of the usefullness of the opinions or created new obstacles for why he couldn't/wouldn't use the information people were going out of their way to provide him. He kept asking questions just to make the thread as long as he could. So some of us are a little sensitive right now, and perhaps we should apologize to you.

In any event, we always have Reverend Mulester7 to take care of things.

EDIT: But you really do need to do some of your own legwork on your search for good sound. Good hunting.

 

[majorloser]

Now's the fun part......

You've been given some dang good choices and options. Gather together some DVD's and CD's that you really enjoy, are thoroughly familiar with and have a full spectrum of audio range. Some female vocals, some classical, some rock, some instrumental jazz and of course some DVD's with good soundtracks. Put them in a separate carry case (don't want to get busted as a suspected shoplifter). Use the same material for every audition.

Now it's time to travel around and audition the options. Just tell the sales "holes" to leave you alone. You'll let them know when you want their opinion.

It's your ears that need to be happy, not the sales hole or the guys here on the forum.

Most importantly, have fun playing with different equipment and speakers.
(Especially the stuff there's no way in Hell you can afford )

 

[billy p]

In any event, we always have Reverend Mulester7 to take care of things.

Amen!!

 

[ventwood0]

We were thinking about moving anyways so I think it will be best betting a full home theater system. I think im done with satelites. Ok, so if I get lucky, circuit city will still have some Priumus 150s in stock, but I dont really so.
Ok, plan B then. Which is the Acoustech Cinema Series 6 Speaker System. I really have not a whole lot of experience with these speakers but I have read a few of the reviews on this site

http://www.sounddistributors.com/buynow.asp?prid=1054

and they seem to be able to somehow compare with the KLIPSCH line. That seems preaty incredible to me and they are only 799.99 for the whole system. How would you think about the

Acoustech Cinema Series 6 Speaker System along with the Pioneer VSX-815-K in a 20 x 35 ish room? This sure does seem like a costly setup and any tips so save a few bucks would be greaty appreciated.

 

[Rob Babcock]

You know, I really miss the days when you could grab an armload of CDs and head to any store to audition gear. 20 years ago even Best Buy would let you play your own CDs. Nowadays even the better, upscale-ish mass market places like Ultimate are set up with virtual jukeboxes filled with tunes cherry picked to make their kibble sound better.

Where did it all go wrong?

 

[ventwood0]

Yes, I miss the good o' l days too.
But will someone help me with me question?

 

[mulester7]

Acoustech Cinema Series 6 Speaker System along with the Pioneer VSX-815-K in a 20 x 35 ish room?

.....Ventwood, that's a great matching, imo....because of the horns, the 96 db sensitivity of the entire main's regiment doesn't require as much power as a lower sensitivity....the center speaker will bridge the middle between the towers/mains and make the dialogue more defined and localized to your TV....the surrounds placed correctly will widen the front soundstage and wrap it around the sides of your listening position....the Pioneer 815 is a 7.1 receiver, so with time you could even add matching Acoustech surrounds to be used as rears to make the front soundstage even richer with midrange and bring it a bit closer to the listening position....Ventwood, listen to me....any of the mini-systems mentioned in this thread are cap pistols compared to this one....even the Infinity bookshelves times 5 or 7 would fall short of this Acoustech system which has full sized bookshelf surrounds with passive radiators coming against Towers, and that's what I personally want, bookshelf surrounds coming against front towers or front floorstanders...the Acoustech system gives you 5 mids/highs horns with a total of 6-6 1/2 woofers, 2-6 inch woofers, and 2-5x7 passive radiators....you'll have all that low-mids woofering going against the 5 horns for great low-mids-up at 96 db efficiency/sensitivity....then a very adequate powered sub to take it to the bottom....this was my walking-away choice the whole time including the Infinity's....and, you thought the same the whole time....admit it already....carry on, soldier......

 

[Darth Mike]

How would you think about the Acoustech Cinema Series 6 Speaker System along with the Pioneer VSX-815-K in a 20 x 35 ish room? This sure does seem like a costly setup and any tips so save a few bucks would be greaty appreciated.

WTF!?!?!? Your room morphed again? It went from 15x20 to 20x35! You seriously need to make up your mind!

Yes, I miss the good o' l days too.
But will someone help me with me question?

You need to try and answer some of your own questions, by doing your own research and footwork. Just go LISTEN to some damn speakers already! NO two individuals will have the same exact taste in sound, YOU need to EXPIERIENCE what YOU want in a setup to know what you like, not just go by what Mulester7/Me/Sheep?INSERT NAME HERE think is nice. Of course whatever you try is going to sound freakin' spectacular compared to TV speakers, but may or may not be of good value for the price, or to your liking as compared to another setup. I don't think rushing into a mailorder system without doing some listening first is a good plan! Just imagine what you will be missing out on if you never buy a system tailored to YOUR preferences! You still CAN bring your own media to try a system with at Worst Buy, Circus City, or the likes, just don't surmise that you can't, TRY!

 

[jonnythan]

Maybe he is altering the room's layout in planning.

You need to give us the physical room dimensions, regardless of layout.

 

[ventwood0]

Maybe he is altering the room's layout in planning.

You need to give us the physical room dimensions, regardless of layout.

I am sorry if I was confusing. I dont have any measuring tape available right now so I was just making estimations. My room is around 15 x 20 or 20 x 25 (you get the picture right? around that size)
I do not know what receiver to use with the acustech speakers though. I heard the Pionner receiver was good, but I only need a 5.1 receiver, not 7.1. I am preaty much clueless to which receiver to buy since you cannot "test out" receiver before you buy them, that makes buying them very difficult
Will someone help me decide which receiver will best go along with the acoustech speakers? I am doing some reseach on my own and I have a handful of receivers that I think are "ok".

Another question, when I was out at costco today, I saw 2 dvd players that caught my eye. I currently use a Daewoo DVD player and its a 2003 model so I think its time to upgrade to something more recent.

Here are the 2 DVD players that I like
1. Toshiba SD-K760(http://www.amazon.com/Toshiba-SD_K760-Progressive-Scan-DVD/dp/B000I9BMIW)
2. Sony DVP-NS45P (http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11126335&whse=&topnav=&browse=&s=1)

the sony is twice as expensive as the toshiba one, but it looks like it has more features.

 

[majorloser]

You know, I really miss the days when you could grab an armload of CDs and head to any store to audition gear. 20 years ago even Best Buy would let you play your own CDs. Nowadays even the better, upscale-ish mass market places like Ultimate are set up with virtual jukeboxes filled with tunes cherry picked to make their kibble sound better.

Where did it all go wrong?

You know you can still bring in a CD Walkman and use an RCA adapter cable?
Most receivers do have front jacks

There's more than one way to skin a cat.

 

[Jack Hammer]

You know you can still bring in a CD Walkman and use an RCA adapter cable?
Most receivers do have front jacks

There's more than one way to skin a cat.

...Assuming the recievers are even plugged in to begin with.

 

[ventwood0]

...Assuming the recievers are even plugged in to begin with.

Yes, I agree with you. Most of the receivers there selling are not even plugged in. They are just sitting on a shelf for display only. There not even plugged in!
So that means I cant test them, do you guys think I should get the sony dvd player over the toshiba? I am looking to buy a Vizio 42' plasma so I think I should upgrade to a DVD Player with HDMI upscalling.

What do you guys think?

 

[Darth Mike]

Yes, I agree with you. Most of the receivers there selling are not even plugged in. They are just sitting on a shelf for display only. There not even plugged in!
So that means I cant test them...

When I worked at Circus City, I would grab the reciever demo off the shelf, take it to the speaker demo room, and hook it up with a cd player and a set of speakers, and play a demo CD that was just a few tracks burnt from original CD's that the store used, no special "mastering" was done to make it sound better, no snake oil. Don't just assume something is impossible, ASK the associates, tell them your purchase is imminent, pending a little extra help. Once they know you are interested in buying they will bend over backward to make a sale, I know from fact, because component audio is one of the lowest selling items in the store, and everyone in the department is dying to make a sale. If they WON'T help you, tell a manager, THEY will do ANYTHING for a sale, and likely make the guy who didn't wanna help you do the work. It all comes down to having the *cajones* to ask the electronics store employees to do something extra to earn your buisiness. But, please reciprocate the kindness, and make sure the one who helps you gets your sale. Should you decide not to buy, at least tell thier manager he/she was a great help.

When it comes to the dvd player, why is it that you can't decide what YOU need when it comes to technologies and features? RESEARCH and then jot down facts about the choices at hand, then compare and see which ones are a smarter purchase, narrow down, then SHOP!

I am honestly not trying to be a tool, or make you insulted or angry. But, I expect this kind of deer caught in the headlights lack of motivation to come from a 14 year old coming here to ask what his parents should buy him. If you can't get around to personally try stuff, look at manufacturer sites, look for professional reviews (user reviews are subjective), look at the people who own the item, and look at the rest of thier setup. Then, see how the ones with a similar setup to what you want like it. If you are looking to upgrade a component soon (Like a TV) you may want to incorporate products with the extra features you will need once you do in order to future proof, and not have to upgrade again (it's a viscious cycle). If HDMI Upscaling is something you want, in order to get the most from an HDTV, than the answer is easy, GO FOR IT, and buy an HDMI Upscaling DVD player.

MAKE SURE THAT WHEN YOU BUY ALL YOUR EQUIPMENT THAT YOU LEAVE A PORTION OF YOUR BUDGET FOR CABLES!!!

 

[Rob Babcock]

...Assuming the recievers are even plugged in to begin with.

And assuming you can figure out how to engage the front input!

Sorry, Vent- not trying to hijack your thread, but as the others have pointed out we've made copious suggestions. It's now up to you to do some listening & see what catches your ear.