Thoughts and prayers for Paris, France.

[gene]

Just like Assad, Hussein was killing his own people, regardless of why we went in as a compassionate country it was needed. The tired argument of no wmds or no "terrorist " isn't a call to complacency, we shouldn't have stopped after the first Gulf War. Albeit not popular, that's what we do. Our short history has proven us to be the deciding factor in conflict, hopefully for the better more times than not

OK so you're saying we should be the police of the world. In that case why haven't we invaded North Korea or China for treating its people so badly? Oh wait those countries have WMDs and large armies so we don't go there. What about South Africa, Iran? If we are going for humanitarian reasons, why limit to just Iraq?

Bush's reasons for going to Iraq were never humanitarian. His administration made the false connection to 9/11 and WMD's. Those are the reasons war was waged.

 

[crossedover]

OK so you're saying we should be the police of the world. In that case why haven't we invaded North Korea of China for treating its people so badly? Oh wait those countries have WMDs and large armies so we don't go there. What about South Africa, Iran? If we are going for humanitarian reasons, why limit to just Iraq?

Bush's reasons for going into Iraq were never humanitarian. His administration made the false connection to 9/11 and WMD's. Those are the reasons war was waged.

If your take is not to police, fine. The UN was setup to insure not one of its members would be harmed by a nation or ideal and we carry that message to all countries. The situation in Iraq was no different than Bosnia. A leader was killing his own people. By evoking China or North Korea you assuming we do nothing in these countries. While military action isnt prudent with china, it may come down to that some day. China persecutes many, however they haven't gassed thousands of their citizens that we know about , Hussein did. China may be ruthless but there havent been reports of mass genocide (if there were, we go in). If we are to be the leader of the free world, so people like you and i can speak their minds, we must do what is right. By taking in refugees we are a great nation, by taking in refugees that can stay "put" we are a smart nation. The Iraq war wasnt about al qaeda, the premise was WMDs which we were duped into and the majority of the US bought. Regardless , their leader was killing 100K of his own people. Im sure you can see this, Im sure that the liberal hype isnt justification for not doing the right thing. If we all continue to allow the unacceptable, our lives will be governed by animal farm

 

[Chu Gai]

I never saw anything about all those chemical weapon suits that kept turning up. Was that just a ruse?

 

[Tao1]

I saw the following written by someone in the comments section of an article.



TRUTH ABOUT ISLAM

Sharing someone's post from another thread...
Let’s see if I understand this correctly...
-The Shoe Bomber was a Muslim
-The Beltway Snipers were Muslims
-The Fort Hood Shooter was a Muslim
-The underwear Bomber was a Muslim
-The U.S.S. Cole Bombers were Muslims
-The Madrid Train Bombers were Muslims
-The Bafi Nightclub Bombers were Muslims
-The London Subway Bombers were Muslims
-The Moscow Theater Attackers were Muslims
-The Boston Marathon Bombers were Muslims
-The Pan-Am flight #93 Bombers were Muslims
-The Air France Entebbe Hijackers were Muslims
-The Iranian Embassy Takeover, was by Muslims
-The Beirut U.S. Embassy bombers were Muslims
-The Libyan U.S. Embassy Attack was by Muslims
-The Buenos Aires Suicide Bombers were Muslims
-The Israeli Olympic Team Attackers were Muslims
-The Kenyan U.S, Embassy Bombers were Muslims
-The Saudi, Khobar Towers Bombers were Muslims
-The Beirut Marine Barracks bombers were Muslims
-The Besian Russian School Attackers were Muslims
-The first World Trade Center Bombers were Muslims
-The Bombay & Mumbai India Attackers were Muslims
-The Achille Lauro Cruise Ship Hijackers were Muslims
-The September 11th 2001 Airline Hijackers were Muslims

Think of it:

Buddhists living with Hindus = No Problem
Hindus living with Christians = No Problem
Hindus living with Jews = No Problem
Christians living with Shintos = No Problem
Shintos living with Confucians = No Problem
Confucians living with Baha'is = No Problem
Baha'is living with Jews = No Problem
Jews living with Atheists = No Problem
Atheists living with Buddhists = No Problem
Buddhists living with Sikhs = No Problem
Sikhs living with Hindus = No Problem
Hindus living with Baha'is = No Problem
Baha'is living with Christians = No Problem
Christians living with Jews = No Problem
Jews living with Buddhists = No Problem
Buddhists living with Shintos = No Problem
Shintos living with Atheists = No Problem
Atheists living with Confucians = No Problem
Confusians living with Hindus = No Problem

***WHEREAS...

Muslims living with Hindus = Problem
Muslims living with Buddhists = Problem
Muslims living with Christians = Problem
Muslims living with Jews = Problem
Muslims living with Sikhs = Problem
Muslims living with Baha'is = Problem
Muslims living with Shintos = Problem
Muslims living with Atheists = Problem
MUSLIMS LIVING WITH MUSLIMS = BIG PROBLEM

***SO THIS LEADS TO...

They're not happy in Gaza
They're not happy in Egypt
They're not happy in Libya
They're not happy in Morocco
They're not happy in Iran
They're not happy in Iraq
They're not happy in Yemen
They're not happy in Afghanistan
They're not happy in Pakistan
They're not happy in Syria
They're not happy in Lebanon
They're not happy in Nigeria
They're not happy in Kenya
They're not happy in Sudan

***So, where are they happy?...

They're happy in Australia
They're happy in England
They're happy in Belgium
They're happy in France
They're happy in Italy
They're happy in Germany
They're happy in Sweden
They're happy in the USA & Canada
They're happy in Norway & India

They're happy in almost every country that is not Islamic!

And who do they blame? Not Islam... Not their leadership... Not themselves...
THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN!!

And they want to change the countries they're happy in, to be like the countries they came from where they were unhappy and finally they will get hammered !!!!

Islamic Jihad: AN ISLAMIC TERROR DIRECTIVE
ISIS: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Al-Qaeda: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Taliban: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Hamas: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Hezbollah: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Boko Haram: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Al-Nusra: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Abu Sayyaf: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Al-Badr: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Muslim Brotherhood: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Lashkar-e-Taiba: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Palestine Liberation Front: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Ansaru: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Jemaah Islamiyah: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Abdullah Azzam Brigades: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION AND A LOT MORE !!!!!!!
Islam Obummer:OPEN BORDER ORGANIZER

MUSLIM DEVILS DISCIPELS..
Think about this :
20 things that psychopath Muslims do :

1] Kill any one who insults Islam or Moham-mad. (Koran.33;57-61).
2) Kill all Muslims who leave Islam. (Koran.2;217/4;89/Bukhari.9;84-57).
3) Koran can not be doubted. (Koran.2;1).
4) Islam is the only acceptable religion. (Koran.3;85).
5) Muslims must fight (jihad) to non-Muslims, even if they don't want to. (Koran.2;216).
6) We the non-Muslims are pigs and apes. (Koran. 2;62-65/Koran.5;59-60/Koran.7;166).
7) We the non-Muslims cannot be friends with Muslims. (Koran.5;51).
We the non-Muslims sworn enemies of Muslims and Islam. (Koran.4;101).
9) We the non-Muslims can be raped as sex slave. (Koran.4;3 & 24/5;89/23;5/33;50/58;3/70;30).
10) We the non-Muslims the vilest of creatures deserving no mercy. (Koran.98;6).
11) Muslim must terrorized us (non-Muslims). (Koran.8;12 &59-60/ Bukhari.4;52;220).
12) Muslims must strike terror into non-Muslims hearts. (Koran.8;60).
13) Muslims must lie to us (non-Muslims) to strengthen and spread Islam. (Koran.3;28?16;106).
14) Muslims are allowed to behead us (non_Muslims) (Koran.47;4).
15) Muslims are guaranteed to go to heaven if they kill us (non-Muslims). (Koran.9;111).
16) Marrying and divorcing pre-pubescent children is OK. (Koran.65;4).
17) Wife beating is OK. (Koran.4;34).
18) Raping wives is OK. (Koran.2;223).
19) Proving rape requires 4 (four) male Muslim witnesses. (Koran.24;13).
20) Muslims are allowed to crucify and amputate us (non-Muslims). Koran.8;12/47;4).11

Muslims were living in peace with Christian until christians felt that was not ok (Inquisition).

Probably not a good idea to cherry pick 'evil' teachings out of holy books. The Bible has quite a few. I am sure most of us would have been stonned in our youth (at least in a different way than you probably were) for being disobedient sons.

 

[Tao1]

Just like Assad, Hussein was killing his own people, regardless of why we went in as a compassionate country it was needed. The tired argument of no wmds or no "terrorist " isn't a call to complacency, we shouldn't have stopped after the first Gulf War. Albeit not popular, that's what we do. Our short history has proven us to be the deciding factor in conflict, hopefully for the better more times than not

The elephant in the room for the "Hussain killing killing his own people" is how many innocents were killed by American forces? The answer is more.

 

[crossedover]

I never saw anything about all those chemical weapon suits that kept turning up. Was that just a ruse?

The suits just like the weapons were there. But if not used and the focal point, most extreme liberals cant see it. My point is a dictator was killing his own people to ensure his political survival. If we hadnt gone into Bosnia, if we hadn't stopped the Germans, were would we be? I hate talking in 1s or 0s but with these factions it would be fullish not to. If an an alcoholic was to live, appeasement wouldn't save his life

 

[Tao1]

OK so you're saying we should be the police of the world. In that case why haven't we invaded North Korea or China for treating its people so badly? Oh wait those countries have WMDs and large armies so we don't go there. What about South Africa, Iran? If we are going for humanitarian reasons, why limit to just Iraq?

Bush's reasons for going to Iraq were never humanitarian. His administration made the false connection to 9/11 and WMD's. Those are the reasons war was waged.

As far as China goes, Apple is one of the biggest offenders, at least for workplace conditions. They are the poster child for workers committing suicide, at least over there. They are hated by the Chinese population.

 

[crossedover]

Muslims were living in peace with Christian until christians felt that was not ok (Inquisition).

Probably not a good idea to cherry pick 'evil' teachings out of holy books. The Bible has quite a few. I am sure most of us would have been stonned in our youth (at least in a different way than you probably were) for being disobedient sons.

You should read your history, More Muslims killed Muslims than Christians (not to say Christians didnt). The Turks dominated for many years.

Muslims were living in peace with Christian until christians felt that was not ok (Inquisition).

Probably not a good idea to cherry pick 'evil' teachings out of holy books. The Bible has quite a few. I am sure most of us would have been stonned in our youth (at least in a different way than you probably were) for being disobedient sons.

So the turks were peaceful group..... Read your history


The elephant in the room for the "Hussain killing his own people" is how many innocents were killed by American forces? The answer is more.


please provide any statistical prof to your comment, or your just another bleeding heart that heard "it"

 

[markw]

Muslims were living in peace with Christian until christians felt that was not ok (Inquisition).

Probably not a good idea to cherry pick 'evil' teachings out of holy books. The Bible has quite a few. I am sure most of us would have been stonned in our youth (at least in a different way than you probably were) for being disobedient sons.

I guess you never heard of their expansion West starting around 630 ad and was only stopped by the likes of Vlad the Impaler and Charles Martel in 730 or so.

http://history-world.org/islam4.htm

 

[crossedover]

I guess you never heard of their expansion West starting around 630 ad and was only stopped by the likes of Vlad the Impaler and Charles Martel in 730 or so.

http://history-world.org/islam4.htm

Nobody wants to read about history when we can just make it up

 

[Chu Gai]

Muslims were living in peace with Christian until christians felt that was not ok (Inquisition).

That's a gross oversimplification. The text I referenced was referred to this general time period.

Probably not a good idea to cherry pick 'evil' teachings out of holy books. The Bible has quite a few. I am sure most of us would have been stonned in our youth (at least in a different way than you probably were) for being disobedient sons.

As I said my father-in-law is a practicing Muslim and his comment was that one does not question what is in the Koran. One will also find inconsistencies and passages in seemingly direct opposition. How one resolves these is often a personal matter. BTW, I have copies of the Koran, Bible, and the Urantia Book (written by celestial beings...its wild).

 

[shadyJ]

TRUTH ABOUT ISLAM

Sharing someone's post from another thread...
Let’s see if I understand this correctly...
-The Shoe Bomber was a Muslim
-The Beltway Snipers were Muslims
-The Fort Hood Shooter was a Muslim
-The underwear Bomber was a Muslim
-The U.S.S. Cole Bombers were Muslims
-The Madrid Train Bombers were Muslims
-The Bafi Nightclub Bombers were Muslims
-The London Subway Bombers were Muslims
-The Moscow Theater Attackers were Muslims
-The Boston Marathon Bombers were Muslims
-The Pan-Am flight #93 Bombers were Muslims
-The Air France Entebbe Hijackers were Muslims
-The Iranian Embassy Takeover, was by Muslims
-The Beirut U.S. Embassy bombers were Muslims
-The Libyan U.S. Embassy Attack was by Muslims
-The Buenos Aires Suicide Bombers were Muslims
-The Israeli Olympic Team Attackers were Muslims
-The Kenyan U.S, Embassy Bombers were Muslims
-The Saudi, Khobar Towers Bombers were Muslims
-The Beirut Marine Barracks bombers were Muslims
-The Besian Russian School Attackers were Muslims
-The first World Trade Center Bombers were Muslims
-The Bombay & Mumbai India Attackers were Muslims
-The Achille Lauro Cruise Ship Hijackers were Muslims
-The September 11th 2001 Airline Hijackers were Muslims

Think of it:

Buddhists living with Hindus = No Problem
Hindus living with Christians = No Problem
Hindus living with Jews = No Problem
Christians living with Shintos = No Problem
Shintos living with Confucians = No Problem
Confucians living with Baha'is = No Problem
Baha'is living with Jews = No Problem
Jews living with Atheists = No Problem
Atheists living with Buddhists = No Problem
Buddhists living with Sikhs = No Problem
Sikhs living with Hindus = No Problem
Hindus living with Baha'is = No Problem
Baha'is living with Christians = No Problem
Christians living with Jews = No Problem
Jews living with Buddhists = No Problem
Buddhists living with Shintos = No Problem
Shintos living with Atheists = No Problem
Atheists living with Confucians = No Problem
Confusians living with Hindus = No Problem

***WHEREAS...

Muslims living with Hindus = Problem
Muslims living with Buddhists = Problem
Muslims living with Christians = Problem
Muslims living with Jews = Problem
Muslims living with Sikhs = Problem
Muslims living with Baha'is = Problem
Muslims living with Shintos = Problem
Muslims living with Atheists = Problem
MUSLIMS LIVING WITH MUSLIMS = BIG PROBLEM

***SO THIS LEADS TO...

They're not happy in Gaza
They're not happy in Egypt
They're not happy in Libya
They're not happy in Morocco
They're not happy in Iran
They're not happy in Iraq
They're not happy in Yemen
They're not happy in Afghanistan
They're not happy in Pakistan
They're not happy in Syria
They're not happy in Lebanon
They're not happy in Nigeria
They're not happy in Kenya
They're not happy in Sudan

***So, where are they happy?...

They're happy in Australia
They're happy in England
They're happy in Belgium
They're happy in France
They're happy in Italy
They're happy in Germany
They're happy in Sweden
They're happy in the USA & Canada
They're happy in Norway & India

They're happy in almost every country that is not Islamic!

And who do they blame? Not Islam... Not their leadership... Not themselves...
THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN!!

And they want to change the countries they're happy in, to be like the countries they came from where they were unhappy and finally they will get hammered !!!!

Islamic Jihad: AN ISLAMIC TERROR DIRECTIVE
ISIS: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Al-Qaeda: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Taliban: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Hamas: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Hezbollah: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Boko Haram: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Al-Nusra: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Abu Sayyaf: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Al-Badr: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Muslim Brotherhood: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Lashkar-e-Taiba: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Palestine Liberation Front: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Ansaru: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Jemaah Islamiyah: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION
Abdullah Azzam Brigades: AN ISLAMIC TERROR ORGANIZATION AND A LOT MORE !!!!!!!
Islam Obummer:OPEN BORDER ORGANIZER

MUSLIM DEVILS DISCIPELS..
Think about this :
20 things that psychopath Muslims do :

1] Kill any one who insults Islam or Moham-mad. (Koran.33;57-61).
2) Kill all Muslims who leave Islam. (Koran.2;217/4;89/Bukhari.9;84-57).
3) Koran can not be doubted. (Koran.2;1).
4) Islam is the only acceptable religion. (Koran.3;85).
5) Muslims must fight (jihad) to non-Muslims, even if they don't want to. (Koran.2;216).
6) We the non-Muslims are pigs and apes. (Koran. 2;62-65/Koran.5;59-60/Koran.7;166).
7) We the non-Muslims cannot be friends with Muslims. (Koran.5;51).
We the non-Muslims sworn enemies of Muslims and Islam. (Koran.4;101).
9) We the non-Muslims can be raped as sex slave. (Koran.4;3 & 24/5;89/23;5/33;50/58;3/70;30).
10) We the non-Muslims the vilest of creatures deserving no mercy. (Koran.98;6).
11) Muslim must terrorized us (non-Muslims). (Koran.8;12 &59-60/ Bukhari.4;52;220).
12) Muslims must strike terror into non-Muslims hearts. (Koran.8;60).
13) Muslims must lie to us (non-Muslims) to strengthen and spread Islam. (Koran.3;28?16;106).
14) Muslims are allowed to behead us (non_Muslims) (Koran.47;4).
15) Muslims are guaranteed to go to heaven if they kill us (non-Muslims). (Koran.9;111).
16) Marrying and divorcing pre-pubescent children is OK. (Koran.65;4).
17) Wife beating is OK. (Koran.4;34).
18) Raping wives is OK. (Koran.2;223).
19) Proving rape requires 4 (four) male Muslim witnesses. (Koran.24;13).
20) Muslims are allowed to crucify and amputate us (non-Muslims). Koran.8;12/47;4).11

This is another fantastically dumb simplification of history written by a bigot with an agenda. I don't know why you would post this ignorant crap. Why can't we keep these chain-email-forwarded hogwash sequestered to bigoted rednecks and fascists. Again, I expect better of audioholics than to see this low-brow garbage posted. I could take the historical claims made by this idiocy piece by piece just like the other chain-email nonsense, if I didn't have other things to do. If you think christians, shintoists, bhuddists, hindus, jews, athiests, sikhs, and confucians have always existed together in peace and harmony, you are incredibly naive. If you want to read some vicious religious texts, start with the Torah, move on to the bible, and then get into the Koran. If you think that is a long list of Islamic terrorist organizations, lets compile a list of christian, jewish, Bhuddist (yes BHUDDIST), shintoist (yes shintoist!), athiestic, and hindu terrorist organizations. It would be much longer.

 

[shadyJ]

Do you see what you did to me Chu, you got me all flustered! I hope you're happy!

 

[Chu Gai]

I'm always happy in my safe place.

And just so you know, I'll still defend you in other areas.

 

[shadyJ]

It's good to know Audioholics forums will always be a judgement free zone!

 

[crossedover]

sometimes you just have to

 

[Bizarro_Stormy]

 

[Rickster71]

OK so you're saying we should be the police of the world.

It sounds like that's what Clinton was saying back in 1998.... years prior to Bush being elected.
http://www.davidstuff.com/political/wmdquotes.htm
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
--Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
--Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by:
-- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998

Bush's reasons for going to Iraq were never humanitarian. His administration made the false connection to 9/11 and WMD's. Those are the reasons war was waged.

Everybody, that was anybody, wanted to go into Iraq:

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
-- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

 

[Rickster71]

Muslims were living in peace with Christian until christians felt that was not ok (Inquisition).

Probably not a good idea to cherry pick 'evil' teachings out of holy books.

Oh, I totally get what you're saying now....
The Muslims should've turned the other cheek after the Inquisition.
Just as the USA should've after Sept 11, 2001

 

[Chu Gai]

I know many like to use Bush's statement, "Mission accomplished." as a way to mock him and that's fine. His successor has managed to come up with his own...

"We have contained them." Said just before the massacre in Paris.

From Politifact regarding the JV comment...

Remnick: "You know where this is going, though. Even in the period that you’ve been on vacation in the last couple of weeks, in Iraq, in Syria, of course, in Africa, al-Qaeda is resurgent."

Obama: "Yes, but, David, I think the analogy we use around here sometimes, and I think is accurate, is if a JV team puts on Lakers uniforms, that doesn’t make them Kobe Bryant. I think there is a distinction between the capacity and reach of a bin Laden and a network that is actively planning major terrorist plots against the homeland versus jihadists who are engaged in various local power struggles and disputes, often sectarian."

Remnick: "But that JV team just took over Fallujah."

Obama: "I understand. But when you say took over Fallujah –"

Remnick: "And I don’t know for how long."

Obama: "But let’s just keep in mind, Fallujah is a profoundly conservative Sunni city in a country that, independent of anything we do, is deeply divided along sectarian lines. And how we think about terrorism has to be defined and specific enough that it doesn’t lead us to think that any horrible actions that take place around the world that are motivated in part by an extremist Islamic ideology is a direct threat to us or something that we have to wade into."

This pretty much leaves no doubt. Obama may not have specifically said Islamic State, but it’s clear he was talking about them. Remnick was referencing events in Syria and Iraq, particularly the takeover of Fallujah, which was conducted by Islamic State, and Obama referred to the group responsible for thatas "a JV team."

Our ruling

Obama said his JV comment "wasn’t specifically referring to ISIL." He was not specifically asked about Islamic State, but it’s pretty clear this is the group that was being referenced in the conversation. The transcript backs this up, as do news events from the time of the discussion.

We rate the statement False.