The NRA owns Trump as well.

[everettT]

It sometimes takes an outsider looking in to tell you the obvious. Your love affair for guns and the NRA has totally blinded you. Here you rant but offer no solutions either. You just criticize others but offer nothing in return. I recognozie that arming teaches is an escalation of an already bad problem. If you don't think gun controls work, look to Australia where they banned guns after a mass shooting. And its working there.

BTW I have relatives that live in the US so I'm concerned for their safety.

Thanks for telling me that I need someone else to have my thoughts. When in this thread have I expressed my "love" affair with guns and the NRA? I own and respect firearms. How about I stay out of your countries politics and you stay out of mine? You started with Trump, yet there are multiple school districts in the US that have armed teachers and administrators. You have an opinion and that's fine, just know your facts before the BS bashing starts. It's an audio forum and I come here not to deal with people's political opinions. And FWIW Canada has excellent Gun laws

 

[everettT]

I would call out any leader of any country a dumbass for promoting a process that leads to escalation, not descalation. I've often criticized the former Canadian PM for things he's said and done. Indirectly it becomes Canada's problem too as we share the worlds biggest border with the US and under good reations. I just don't want to see this crap move north into our borders.

Here's an interesting stat.. It fails to mention whether or not if the guns are legally or illegally owned.

https://qz.com/1095899/gun-ownership-in-america-in-three-charts/


Do Americans own a lot of guns?
In both absolute and relative terms, the answer is yes. The US tops the list of countries with the most guns, owning about half the world’s guns while making up only 5% of the world population.

In relative terms, the US has the highest number of guns per capita. There were an estimated 89 to 100 guns for every 100 Americans in 2013–around one firearm per person.

So come on down and fix the problems. I respect your audio posts, but you started a thread that's BS. FN ridiculous that people throw darts and get mad when a different dart comes back.

 

[highfigh]

I would call out any leader of any country a dumbass for promoting a process that leads to escalation, not descalation. I've often criticized the former Canadian PM for things he's said and done. Indirectly it becomes Canada's problem too as we share the worlds biggest border with the US and under good reations. I just don't want to see this crap move north into our borders.

Here's an interesting stat.. It fails to mention whether or not if the guns are legally or illegally owned.

https://qz.com/1095899/gun-ownership-in-america-in-three-charts/


Do Americans own a lot of guns?
In both absolute and relative terms, the answer is yes. The US tops the list of countries with the most guns, owning about half the world’s guns while making up only 5% of the world population.

In relative terms, the US has the highest number of guns per capita. There were an estimated 89 to 100 guns for every 100 Americans in 2013–around one firearm per person.

And yet, this, in Vancouver-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Vancouver_gang_war

And this-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Vancouver_gang_war

The problem is people. The US has people (using a word that really doesn't apply) who kill without caring that the victims are humans and I think a large part of it is due to the fact that many people can't think of better ways to resolve conflicts, many of which are actually petty.

 

[TLS Guy]

Thanks for telling me that I need someone else to have my thoughts. When in this thread have I expressed my "love" affair with guns and the NRA? I own and respect firearms. How about I stay out of your countries politics and you stay out of mine? You started with Trump, yet there are multiple school districts in the US that have armed teachers and administrators. You have an opinion and that's fine, just know your facts before the BS bashing starts. It's an audio forum and I come here not to deal with people's political opinions. And FWIW Canada has excellent Gun laws

You know your posts are still not pleasant in tone, and you put dumb at the bottom of the previous post
We are all friends here and should at all times avoid getting shirty with each other.

This American, great American tragedy, of death by gun rightly garners a lot of attention abroad, and as it worsens and deepens it takes up a lot of of print and electronic media spaces, and many well crafted editorials, which it would behove you to search out.

The fact is abroad they see clearly what Americans can't about this. There is for the most part great love and admiration for this country but many and are anguished by this ongoing and worsening calamity.

It is ungracious of you in the extreme for you to tell those of other nations to not try and persuade to end this slaughter. The fact is that everyone on the globe has a moral obligation to try and persuade those that can not see that radical change is required to end this crisis. And yes, because human beings are not perfectable, as we saw in Florida, and in other incidents the moral imperative is to remove the guns.

 

[Pogre]

Where's my ten foot pole? I need to make sure it's at least a 11 feet away from this one...

 

[3db]

And yet, this, in Vancouver-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Vancouver_gang_war

And this-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Vancouver_gang_war

The problem is people. The US has people (using a word that really doesn't apply) who kill without caring that the victims are humans and I think a large part of it is due to the fact that many people can't think of better ways to resolve conflicts, many of which are actually petty.

We have enough of our own problems to deal with as you pointed and what I'm saying is I dont want to see more come my way. You are correct that people are people and aholes know no borders. They can be found in every country around the world.

 

[3db]

So come on down and fix the problems. I respect your audio posts, but you started a thread that's BS. FN ridiculous that people throw darts and get mad when a different dart comes back.

Whats wrong with the old 2013 stat I posted? Why is that dumb? Is it because you see a statistic you don't agree with and therefore are calling it dumb? Trump is a leader and as such should act accordingly and not escalate a situation by increasing arms. Trump has clearly demonstrated his ineptness as a leader. He is the only one "cheesey" enough to use this tragedy to deflect the ongoing Russian meddling with the US election process.

 

[TLS Guy]

Where's my ten foot pole? I need to make sure it's at least a 11 feet away from this one...

I think in this case if you see the problem clearly, you have a moral obligation to put the pole down. Bad things happen because good people do nothing.

 

[highfigh]

And yes, because human beings are not perfectable, as we saw in Florida, and in other incidents the moral imperative is to remove the guns.

Until they're rounded up and melted, how do we make people better, as people? THAT'S what is causing this, IMO- people have become worse since the '60s. Kennedy told us to ask what we could do for the country and now, everything involves "What's in it, for me?" and "Why should I help people?". When people don't think about the consequences of killing someone, it's time to change people.

 

[highfigh]

We have enough of our own problems to deal with as you pointed and what I'm saying is I dont want to see more come my way. You are correct that people are people and aholes know no borders. They can be found in every country around the world.

You ought to look into the crimes committed by illegals, too. Trump got his butt handed to him for making comments about them but the stats don't lie. California has over 25K inmates who are here illegally, the cartels are operating with ease and they just leave death & destruction in their wake.

The guy who killed the woman in San Francisco had been deported five times-

https://www.cnn.com/2015/07/03/us/san-francisco-killing-suspect-immigrant-deported/index.html

Another-

http://fox6now.com/2017/03/24/gang-member-whos-been-deported-4-times-arrested-in-stabbing/

Closer to home (for me),

http://www.immigration911.org/news/2012/01/previously-deported-illegal-alien-violently-murders-wife-in-milwaukee-wi/

 

[3db]

You ought to look into the crimes committed by illegals, too. Trump got his butt handed to him for making comments about them but the stats don't lie. California has over 25K inmates who are here illegally, the cartels are operating with ease and they just leave death & destruction in their wake.

The guy who killed the woman in San Francisco had been deported five times-

https://www.cnn.com/2015/07/03/us/san-francisco-killing-suspect-immigrant-deported/index.html

Another-

http://fox6now.com/2017/03/24/gang-member-whos-been-deported-4-times-arrested-in-stabbing/

Closer to home (for me),

http://www.immigration911.org/news/2012/01/previously-deported-illegal-alien-violently-murders-wife-in-milwaukee-wi/

Why are you steering this discussion away from what I've been posting?

 

[Ponzio]

Why are you steering this discussion away from what I've been posting?

Deflect, deflect, deflect It's right there on page 5 of the NRA handbook and Trump's governing modus operandi. Meanwhile the US is rotting from within. Oh my poor country! What have they done to u?

 

[highfigh]

Why are you steering this discussion away from what I've been posting?

I wasn't trying to hijack it, but your original post doesn't deal with the actual cause of the problem. Everyone wants to ban guns but not deal with the people who would cause the problems. Yes, there are too many who are obsessed with these but the fact is, a tiny percentage ever go off the rails. That said,m when they really go off, they're making everyone know it's them and I really think that less publicity would prevent or reduce these shootings. People are crying for attention, in the worst possible ways.

Go ahead and blame Trump for reacting like everyone else if you want, but this shooting could have been avoided by only a few people doing something, but they did nothing.

 

[3db]

I wasn't trying to hijack it, but your original post doesn't deal with the actual cause of the problem. Everyone wants to ban guns but not deal with the people who would cause the problems. Yes, there are too many who are obsessed with these but the fact is, a tiny percentage ever go off the rails. That said,m when they really go off, they're making everyone know it's them and I really think that less publicity would prevent or reduce these shootings. People are crying for attention, in the worst possible ways.

Go ahead and blame Trump for reacting like everyone else if you want, but this shooting could have been avoided by only a few people doing something, but they did nothing.

Did I mention ban in my posts in this thread? On the other hand do you not find it odd that 1/5 of the population owns a majority of the worlds guns? Does that seem "normal" to you?

 

[Pogre]

I think in this case if you see the problem clearly, you have a moral obligation to put the pole down. Bad things happen because good people do nothing.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't. I have no quarrels here, but I do have opinions that could cause some. I'm here for AV news and knowledge.

Don't worry, I'm not afraid to speak my peace when it's appropriate.

 

[mtrycrafts]

... On the other hand do you not find it odd that 1/5 of the population owns a majority of the worlds guns? ...

We should own them all. Then it would not be a majority.

 

[Swerd]

Deflect, deflect, deflect It's right there on page 5 of the NRA handbook and Trump's governing modus operandi. Meanwhile the US is rotting from within. Oh my poor country! What have they done to u?

Deflect, deflect, deflect…

 

[GO-NAD!]

So come on down and fix the problems. I respect your audio posts, but you started a thread that's BS. FN ridiculous that people throw darts and get mad when a different dart comes back.

This is an American problem that bleeds into Canada.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/us-gun-problem-is-creeping-into-canada/2016/02/13/a28cd1e4-c388-11e5-b933-31c93021392a_story.html?utm_term=.3329b21805eb

From the article:

"Homicides in Toronto spiked to 80 in 2005, from 64 in 2004, and the majority were shooting-related. About 70 percent of the guns used were handguns and automatic weapons smuggled from the United States, police say."

 

[highfigh]

Did I mention ban in my posts in this thread? On the other hand do you not find it odd that 1/5 of the population owns a majority of the worlds guns? Does that seem "normal" to you?

Define 'normal'. Who even knows what that means anymore?

Read or watch the news- a huge number of people want guns banned. I'm not going to search through all of your posts, but you have mentioned the Australian ban at least once (on pg 8).

Hoarding guns is for the paranoid and they do not make up 20% of the population. The rest may have one or two and they aren't trying to fight off the government, nor do they think the government will be raiding homes for guns. Some gun owners don't care about them, but may be keeping them because they were inherited, others may buy because of investment value. Stats can tell a lot of stories, but someone should talk to non-NRA people to get their take on things before reaching their conclusions. I know people who are gung-ho and in fact, I would like to see the guns taken from some of them. One guy has a huge problem with anger management, one wears his serving platter-sized belt buckle with "The Right To Bear Arms" cast into it, but he couldn't quote the whole Amendment if he, well, had a gun to his head. Another is a neighbor who has been allowed to keep some guns, but recently lost his CCP because he had a pistol with him when he killed the light pole across the street from my house with his pickup truck. I listened to the Police radio app while they were outside and a comment about his CCP was made and he was in cuffs after the field sobriety test. I heard another call about him- the Police were called because he was drunk & suicidal, making threats with a gun. Apparently, it's OK to do that in the comfort of ones' own home. I don't want him to have ANY guns. For that matter, I'd like him to move out of the neighborhood.

I made a comment before, which was made more accurate- "fear is an effective way of controlling people" and when people are afraid of something, they react. People are reactive- there's no getting around that fact and it would be good if we weren't, but changing it is a tall order.

 

[highfigh]

This is an American problem that bleeds into Canada.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/us-gun-problem-is-creeping-into-canada/2016/02/13/a28cd1e4-c388-11e5-b933-31c93021392a_story.html?utm_term=.3329b21805eb

From the article:

"Homicides in Toronto spiked to 80 in 2005, from 64 in 2004, and the majority were shooting-related. About 70 percent of the guns used were handguns and automatic weapons smuggled from the United States, police say."

Which makes it a problem with people- if someone wasn't willing to smuggle guns, they wouldn't be there. If someone wasn't willing to sell of give a gun to someone to be used for armed robbery, murder, carjacking, etc, they wouldn't. If someone wasn't willing to kill others, they wouldn't.

The reason guns are used is because they're effective at a distance, but most shootings occur at a distance of 3 to 7 yards.

Semi-automatic, not automatic. Fully auto weapons aren't allowed unless someone is approved and they pay the license fee. Making a semi-auto weapon into fully automatic is illegal, too. The problem, once again, is with people- they don't care that something is illegal, so they do it.