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I always had a couple of dips after each run, upping the FR/FL XO to 80 or 90 Hz post Audyssey run fixed those, not completely but good enough and better than most posted graphs I have seen.
Yeah I bump mine to 100hz. I moved my subs and mains closer to my wall. I had them pushed out too far. I sampled some scenes and bass is better. When I get home from work tomorrow I’m going to rerun Audyssey.
 
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Yeah I bump mine to 100hz. I moved my subs and mains closer to my wall. I had them pushed out too far. I sampled some scenes and bass is better. When I get home from work tomorrow I’m going to rerun Audyssey.
In my set up, Audyssey has hard time blending my front towers with the subs to within +/- 3 dB, but by setting the crossover point to 80 Hz or higher I could achieve +/- 2 dB from 20 to about120 Hz.

It's academic and just for show, because only the REW graphs can tell the difference, I can't.
 
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In my set up, Audyssey has hard time blending my front towers with the subs to within +/- 3 dB, but by setting the crossover point to 80 Hz or higher I could achieve +/- 2 dB from 20 to about120 Hz.

It's academic and just for show, because only the REW graphs can tell the difference, I can't.
I’m anxious to get home tonight and run another calibration with the update and my new placement. When I tested last night I noticed DEQ sounded better. I think it’s due to the 20hz dip. I was using DEQ on with the Flat curve for 8 years and only turned DEQ off with the app. So I’ll spend some time with it again. I’ll be happy to admit that I was wrong.
 
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I’m anxious to get home tonight and run another calibration with the update and my new placement. When I tested last night I noticed DEQ sounded better. I think it’s due to the 20hz dip. I was using DEQ on with the Flat curve for 8 years and only turned DEQ off with the app. So I’ll spend some time with it again. I’ll be happy to admit that I was wrong.
Haha I don't think there is right or wrong in terms of your preference. There is right or wrong in how you do the calibration though, such as how you place and position your mic, setting up for the better gain structure etc.

On the objective side, some of us are keen on using the U-mik mic and the free REW software to plot graphs to compare the before and after frequency response, impulse response, waterfalls plots etc. If you haven't tried that, may be you should, as I think you will enjoy the fun in doing it, if nothing else.:D It is only through the use of the mic and REW, that I learnt I need to play with the crossover point after running Audyssey, in order to at least get the L/R towers to play nice with the two SVS subs because my ears/brains really couldn't tell if they played nice or not, but evidently the mic has much better luck. By the way, I was amazed to see that cheap looking Audyssey mic producing very consistent results, despite its supposedly very mediocre error margin.
 
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Haha I don't think there is right or wrong in terms of your preference. There is right or wrong in how you do the calibration though, such as how you place and position your mic, setting up for the better gain structure etc.

On the objective side, some of us are keen on using the U-mik mic and the free REW software to plot graphs to compare the before and after frequency response, impulse response, waterfalls plots etc. If you haven't tried that, may be you should, as I think you will enjoy the fun in doing it, if nothing else.:D It is only through the use of the mic and REW, that I learnt I need to play with the crossover point after running Audyssey, in order to at least get the L/R towers to play nice with the two SVS subs because my ears/brains really couldn't tell if they played nice or not, but evidently the mic has much better luck. By the way, I was amazed to see that cheap looking Audyssey mic producing very consistent results, despite its supposedly very mediocre error margin.
Lol yeah. Placement is key. I replaced my tripod with a mic stand. I also moved my rear speakers further back as they sit on a sofa table. This gives me room now for proper positions 7&8. I use a tight formation. Positions 1,2,3 are 2ft apart. 3,4,5 are about 1.5ft, 7&8 1.5ft right behind position 1.

I need to get into REW but at the same time I need to stop fussing and enjoy. I just spoke to Jack from SVS about my 3db dips at 70-80hz. He said it’s not bad but I want to eliminate them. He recommended I place them 3 inches from the wall which is roughly what I did last night so I’m anxious to calibrate and see how it goes.
 
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On a side note, I’ve been speaking with several reps from SVS about sub placement and possibly a new PC 2000. All the reps I spoke with including Ed use Audyssey Reference full range with DEQ on.
 
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Reran Audyssey when I got home. The dips at 70/80hz are gone thankfully. The response looks flatter. I left the Reference 1 Curve full range with DEQ on. It sounds excellent. The bass is much, much better. I think the issue was the bass with DEQ combined with the dips at 20hz and 70/80hz were really messing thins up. I’m back in love with Audyssey.

 
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All this Audyssey porn made me decide to whip it out, too. ;) Pics, next...
DEQ on, Flat (small room, mostly music for me), I used the curve editor to recreate my own version of "midrange compensation" like I had done previously through the Graphic EQ. So far I'm liking what I see/hear. Better than my last round with Aud... which wasn't bad, just didn't seem like it helped. *shrugs... off to tapatalk to share the screenshots.
 
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Your subwoofer results is excellent. I might add another sub in the back of my room later this year.
 
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Your subwoofer results is excellent. I might add another sub in the back of my room later this year.
Thanks... using dual x-13s in a roughly 2000'3 room. I crawled out their placement to get good spots; nothing golden about the locations... they just don't suck!
I'm about a month or two out from going the REW path. I want to know whats going on with my 50-60Hz, and again an octave up from there. I can only assume its my room.
Cheers!
 
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I think the graphs aren't to be taken too literally....Chris K of Audyssey at one point said as much IIRC. The sub just looks too good to be true but....
Totally! But so far I'm enjoying this round of Audyssey listening better than my last. I can't imagine that my room is as "clean" as those graphs make it appear.. Except its cool that you can see the diffraction effects on my Right side: drafting table and window there. What was more interesting is that Aud showed some cheese in my Rt.Rear, but the Lt.Rear is a little cleaner even though there's not much going on in that area.
I can't wait to get my hands on REW. ;) Ok... its the mic, really, and the fact I don't have my main speakers yet. :p
 
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I’m enjoying it too. The acoustic panels have helped quite a bit. XT32 hasn’t changed the character of my RP’s much. I guess it’s not having to work as hard as it did when I was using the Flat curve with no treatments. My speakers seem to disappear now, the sound is more balanced and clearer, more natural. DEQ isn’t drowning out my modules anymore either. Bass is much better. I’m sold again.
 
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Looks like you have the hated mid range compensation enabled, was it done on purpose?
I turned it off and rebuilt a kinder, gentler version. ;)
My little room is pretty lively, and I know that my speakers aren't to blame. I experimented previously with my GEQ making a little swale of -1.5dB at 2kHz, and -.5 at the neighboring toggles. With this instance, I did -1.38dB in the Curve Editor at 2kHz, and had to play with the points to get it a little smoother coming out of the dip, but it works! There's a cut from Tori Amos, Northern Lad, that exemplifies this: in the chorus, her voice just hammers me. I listened to this one day for an hour... the Lady was about to go all Snapped on me!... but between Audyssey On with the Mid-Range Correction On, Aud. Off with nothing, and Aud. Off with GEQ enabled, I could listen with that minor dip I made.
I tested it again today after building that in to the curve editor. It's a -3dB crater the way Audyssey is programmed. By making it shallower and a bit wider, I don't notice a dulling in the frequencies the way I did with MRC ON. Overall, the tunes are still lively, but that 'perking' of my ears isn't a thing now.
Since I learned I do have a sensitivity to something that matches with listening fatigue, this alleviates it. In this room. If I set up in my greatroom, I might not need it. Or, when I get a little extra damping action in my room (Curtains for the windows, a little bit of diffraction, etc), we'll see how it tests out.
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I think the graphs aren't to be taken too literally....Chris K of Audyssey at one point said as much IIRC. The sub just looks too good to be true but....
Also afaik they’re just predictions. Rew is the only way to actually measure. Still, it’s a nice window into audyssey, and it adds control we never had before. So there’s that...
 
ryanosaur

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The "before" might not be super accurate, but that's more interesting to me that the "after."

Of course the "after" is going to look good! ;) That's the way I would program it!:oops::rolleyes::cool:
 

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