A little update after reading and talking to you fellas yesterday I spent the evening messing around with the settings in both the avr and the presets in the subs apps . The fella up above is absolutely correct there are presets for music loaded in the presets from the factory after trying them out they definitely improved the music experience probably not perfect but it’s an improvement. And part of the issue is Iam just not used to clean flat linear bass across what these subs can cover . With a two db raise in the avr sub menu and the use of the app presets it’s much better on music not perfect but I’ll need to see what the whole system is doing for that but tinkering around the music presets definitely helped plus I could save the changes in the presets for music and go right back to the movie settings and not loose the great deep movie experience . A work in progress it is but progress was made .