On Trump

[NMG]

Video I watched seemed eerily reminiscent of the Rodney King beating. A number of officers in what looks to be in clear in control of the situation hovering over him, with at least one of them throwing punches. Guy looked to be on his knees when the shooter pulls his gun steps back and fires a few shots. Then they all retreat back and more shots are fired at him.

Complete cluster you know what.

 

[3db]

Trump or should I say the "Devos Dummy" is clearly unhinged and I'm baffled how the US allows one with dimentia to run the country. His speech in Devos was clearly a 90 minute rant about nothing. I also think that the US is heading for a civil war. Ive not seen the US soooo divided as it is now.

 

[Dude#1279435]

Video I watched seemed eerily reminiscent of the Rodney King beating. A number of officers in what looks to be in clear in control of the situation hovering over him, with at least one of them throwing punches. Guy looked to be on his knees when the shooter pulls his gun steps back and fires a few shots. Then they all retreat back and more shots are fired at him.

Complete cluster you know what.

Might been a "he has a gun!!!" situation and they started shooting.

 

[Mr._Clark]

. . . Nobody cried because it was Obama. The only reason these mental patients are fighting federal law enforcement agents is because trump sent them. . . .

News reports from the time indicate that some people were literally crying.

>>>The parties activists organized to watch President Barack Obama’s immigration speech were supposed to be festive affairs. . . . “People are crying,” he told CNN in a phone interview from Chicago. “I can’t celebrate this, because there are a lot of people left out.”<<<

https://www.cnn.com/2014/11/20/politics/obama-speech-immigrants-react

I'm not sure if mental patients have been fighting federal law enforcement, but there were plenty of protests against Obama's policies.

>>>More than a hundred demonstrators intentionally had themselves arrested outside the White House today in protest against the Obama administration's response to the sudden surge of undocumented immigrants across the border with Mexico.<<<

More Than 100 Protesters Arrested Outside White House Over Deportations

Clergy and activists protested the deportation of undocumented immigrants.

abcnews.go.com

I don't remember there being anywhere near the level of conflict under Obama as there is now. I tend to think that at least some of difference is related to differences in rhetoric and tactics.

It appears to me that Obama was more effective than Trump

>>>Did Obama deport more people than Trump?
By annual comparisons, yes.

Obama had earned the critical reputation as "deporter in chief," and Trump's first term lagged behind Obama in numbers.<<<

Did Obama deport more people than Trump? What to know as Trump calls for more ICE arrests

President Donald Trump has called on ICE to arrest more people, especially in Democratic cities. But he does not yet hold the title deporter in chief.

www.usatoday.com

Perhaps Obama was a magician of sorts.

 

[3db]

How do you know what he did?
Don’t you think all evidence needs to be reviewed? Or is it just too simple…unga bunga, ooh ice shot a guy cause they’re evil.
Actions have consequences.

All the video evidence shows that the man was shot after he was disarmed by ICE. The fact that Trump and his upper administration claim everything contrary to the video evidence shows a blind and uniform hatred to everyone, even against Americans that stand up to Trump. The US under Trump is truly fawked in every sense of the word. His tarriffs has caused the US to drop their standard of living as inflation rises higher and higher. Trump and his supporters are no better than Poutin and his KGB. I state again that the constitutional right to bare arms is a f?ckin sad joke because they are not being used against a tyrannical government, the very reason it was put into the constiution. Like most things Republican, its all about the money.

 

[Mr._Clark]

Yikes…..

This is HIGHLY speculative on my part, but I'm wondering if they realized he had a gun when he was on the ground, one of the agents said "he has a gun," and one of the agents disarmed him without the other agents realzing he'd been disarmed.

Even if (really big if) my speculation is correct, it's obviously not the whole story.

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

This is HIGHLY speculative on my part, but I'm wondering if they realized he had a gun when he was on the ground, one of the agents said "he has a gun," and one of the agents disarmed him without the other agents realzing he'd been disarmed.

Even if (really big if) my speculation is correct, it's obviously not the whole story.

It does seem he was disarmed when shot. But I’ve been dealing with in laws end of life arrangements so I haven’t really been watching. Will take a better look later. I wonder why he approached them in the first place.

 

[lovinthehd]

Why would they come knocking on my door? Or anybody’s door. It’s not random, they have documents and orders to address and remove people. Do you really think they’re just grabbing random people? It’s not federal overreach. It’s citizen overreach by getting in the way of them doing the job. Why wasn’t anybody crying when Obama was beating the deportation drum? He was very vocal about border security.

Yes they have grabbed random people. It is overreach by a long shot and they have minimal documentation from grey zones too often. Obama stayed within the law instead of fattening a gestapo type force.

 

[lovinthehd]

About 8 million. Nobody cried because it was Obama. The only reason these mental patients are fighting federal law enforcement agents is because trump sent them. Yay!!! Let’s protect fraud and corruption!!!! Persecute trump some more. I don’t really care, but let these guys do their damn jobs.
No idea about the Asian guy you mentioned.

Cry me a river. Wah wah wah Obama (Obama has been out of office for how long now?). Drumphy is disregarding our basic laws and has a corrupt SCOTUS backing him up with unqualified activities. Are there jobs just in cities Drumphy has not gotten support from? What about Florida and Texas with far more "illegals"? You do seem tyo want to protect fraud and corruption, drumphy is a criminal and that's what he does.

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

Yes they have grabbed random people. It is overreach by a long shot and they have minimal documentation from grey zones too often. Obama stayed within the law instead of fattening a gestapo type force.

Prove it.

 

[lovinthehd]

Here's some of your legality for ICE

 

[lovinthehd]

Prove it.

It's in the records. Show me how drumphy has corrupted it is far more interesting.

 

[lovinthehd]

ICE at work

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

ICE at work View attachment 77502

Cute. What was he doing previous to this?

 

[Dude#1279435]

ICE training is 6 weeks vs 6 months in other areas.

 

[lovinthehd]

Cute. What was he doing previous to this?

It doesn't matter. You just prefer the illegal asshole approach?

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

It doesn't matter. You just prefer the illegal asshole approach?

Of course it matters.

It also matters how the media frames things. Like the big deal about detaining a 5yo kid. He wasn’t arrested and detained. His father ABANDONED him and ran away leaving his kid to freeze and be taken care of by strangers. The wing nut media tried to say that ice used the kid as bait. And people buy that shitt.

 

[lovinthehd]

Of course it matters.

No, it doesn't necessarily matter, especially if the ICE folk were acting illegally...and seems they often do with the promise of immunity improperly offered. You think J6 was a hoax I suppose?

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

No, it doesn't necessarily matter, especially if the ICE folk were acting illegally...and seems they often do with the promise of immunity improperly offered. You think J6 was a hoax I suppose?

J6 is irrelevant here. The point is we have people here illegally. They need to go. Half the mental patients protesting don’t even know why they’re there. They just hate trump.

And yes it does matter. If that guy is blowing a rape whistle and blasting a megaphone and throwing ice chunks at officers then Fukk him. If you did that stuff to a normal citizen you’d be arrested for assault.

 

[lovinthehd]

Of course it matters.

It also matters how the media frames things. Like the big deal about detaining a 5yo kid. He wasn’t arrested and detained. His father ABANDONED him and ran away leaving his kid to freeze and be taken care of by strangers. The wing nut media tried to say that ice used the kid as bait. And people buy that shitt.

I just meant your particular angle in that part of the convo.