Next car?

[panteragstk]

This one for sure my wife will kill me on....

I'm going to just say....I don't have a 700hp daily driver and I need one....

Funny, I'm trying to justify the extra 20k over the price of an SRT Scat Pack, but can't. I know the thing is a boat, but it's almost impossible to find a decent car that can fit 3 kids in the back. Already have an SUV and a truck so I'd like something fast, but not silly. RWD is a must. This is the only thing I've found that fits the bill and isn't $90k+

 

[ParadigmDawg]

Funny, I'm trying to justify the extra 20k over the price of an SRT Scat Pack, but can't. I know the thing is a boat, but it's almost impossible to find a decent car that can fit 3 kids in the back. Already have an SUV and a truck so I'd like something fast, but not silly. RWD is a must. This is the only thing I've found that fits the bill and isn't $90k+

Having the Hellcat and the ZO6 last week reminded me how much I love all wheel drive cars.....

 

[panteragstk]

Ha, I had a z06 all last week that I was testing and it was the most dangerous feeling car I have ever driven..

No wonder Vettes are the deadliest cars in North America...and I can drive...lol...

Yep, I told you when I rode in my friends that it was the scariest car I've ever been in. He can drive too and that thing kept trying to kill us. Roads around Keller aren't that great either. I wanted to drive it, but after riding in the Z06 I decided not to. I don't drive cars on a regular basis anymore so that would have been a bad idea.

 

[Drunkpenguin]

I live in small town america where everybody is ford chevy and dodge. Every other car is a mustang or a challenger. Theyre so common that they don't impress people. Theirs maybe 5 z's around here, maybe. Most of them 350's. So in my world I wanted something that stood out. They are so uncommon I had to special order one and have it delivered. I'm also in my 40s, I don't drag race anymore. I just enjoy the drive. My only real complaint about the Z is not much room for a subwoofer and a suit case lol. Had to settle for a single little 10" driver, but it sounds pretty good.

 

[panteragstk]

Having the Hellcat and the ZO6 last week reminded me how much I love all wheel drive cars.....

I bet. I've only driven the RT so I can't comment on the Chargers with REAL power yet.

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

I had a 2018 Charger R/T as a rental car. Never been in a recent generation Charger before. (A '68 Charger was my first car.) Nowhere near as much room in the interior as I expected. So-so seats. Nothing special instruments, but a big LCD display over the console. Much better handling than I expected, meaning it cornered with so little lean and almost no understeer, so it actually felt weird for a car that big. The exhaust sounds like its target market would expect. Lots of low-end torque and short gearing, so squealing the tires happened on any mildly aggressive move. Good power band for a relatively inexpensive car. Lousy automatic transmission; slow to respond to throttle input.

I don't think you'd want one.

The ZL1 is awesome, but you can't see out of the damned thing. You need a fly-along drone to tell you where the traffic is. Even a base Camaro rental car handles amazingly well. Awful interiors, if that matters, though the ZL1 seats are pretty good.

Interesting first car. Good body style. I kinda wish dodge would have payed more homage to that with the newer chargers, but I can see why they would avoid the trend. Definitely NOT buying one. Pretty much agree with everything you said about it. My new DD will probably be more pedestrian(is that almost an oxymoron? Lol) since I do have a pro-touring Camaro. Not sure just yet which way I’m going...

 

[ParadigmDawg]

I live in small town america where everybody is ford chevy and dodge. Every other car is a mustang or a challenger. Theyre so common that they don't impress people. Theirs maybe 5 z's around here, maybe. Most of them 350's. So in my world I wanted something that stood out. They are so uncommon I had to special order one and have it delivered. I'm also in my 40s, I don't drag race anymore. I just enjoy the drive. My only real complaint about the Z is not much room for a subwoofer and a suit case lol. Had to settle for a single little 10" driver, but it sounds pretty good.

See and I like cars(SUVs) that people wouldn't think can outrun their Camaros, Mustangs, Lexus LC 500's and pretty much anything pulls up to me.

 

[Drunkpenguin]

Good point. I'm just in a bad mood cause Elon Musk pissed me off last night.

You should check out this show on Netflix if you havnt already.

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

Good point. I'm just in a bad mood cause Elon Musk pissed me off last night.

You should check out this show on Netflix if you havnt already.

Nice!

 

[Drunkpenguin]

I will admit that 4 wheel drive can be pretty awesome tho. I once owned a Jeep Wrangler that had a locker in the rear axel and the stock straight 6, but that thing had some power. I was at a stop light one time and some guy in a honda something started revin his engine at me. So I said ok I'll bite. Put the Jeep in low 4 and destroyed him to the next light. I started laughing uncontrollably and when he caught up with me at the next light wouldnt even glance at me. The priceless part was the look on his girl friends face tho.

 

[Irvrobinson]

Beyond a certain level of torque (and it varies by a vehicle's weight, weight distribution, and tire contact patch), AWD is the only strategy that makes sense. Even a base Corvette has more torque than the chassis and tires can handle. A Z06 is off the scale. Rear-midengine and rear-engine cars can go somewhat higher than front engine RWD designs, but it is interesting to note that all 911 Turbos are AWD. A big reason a Tesla P100D is as quick as it is is the world's best AWD system (a motor on each axle rather than a center differential system). In fact, driving a P90D when they came out ruined me for IC cars. They all seem like kludges by comparison.

 

[Drunkpenguin]

Rear wheel drive does makes the least sense, but it is the most fun imo.

 

[panteragstk]

Rear wheel drive does makes the least sense, but it is the most fun imo.

I totally understand the comments on AWD, but F1 is RWD and they seem fine with it....

I think an AWD ZR1 or Z06 would be a killer car if they could keep the cost down. The new mid-engine corvette will be very interesting.

 

[BoredSysAdmin]

I totally understand the comments on AWD, but F1 is RWD and they seem fine with it....

I think an AWD ZR1 or Z06 would be a killer car if they could keep the cost down. The new mid-engine corvette will be very interesting.

F1 maybe ok with only inferior RWD, but the rally is all about awd
That's me taking pride that some very distant relative of my outback did [still does?] extremely well in that sport.

 

[Irvrobinson]

I totally understand the comments on AWD, but F1 is RWD and they seem fine with it....

Hmmm... F1 cars have huge tires, and they're slicks. And they're rear mid-engine. I think they're an exception...

 

[everettT]

I can whole heartedly agree with IRV on the camero, they have zero visibility. You better have the tech pack if you dont want a sore neck.

 

[panteragstk]

F1 maybe ok with only inferior RWD, but the rally is all about awd
That's me taking pride that some very distant relative of my outback did [still does?] extremely well in that sport.

I watched a documentary about rally and how nuts it used to be. Audi killed it when they came out with AWD.

 

[panteragstk]

Hmmm... F1 cars have huge tires, and they're slicks. And they're rear mid-engine. I think they're an exception...


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Yeah, someone always brings up F1 in this discussion so I thought I'd jump on it.

What is interesting is that until recently (at least it seems that way) a lot/all of the "supercar" manufacturers stuck to RWD forever. They've all been converted at this point.

 

[BoredSysAdmin]

I watched a documentary about rally and how nuts it used to be. Audi killed it when they came out with AWD.

 

[Irvrobinson]

Yeah, someone always brings up F1 in this discussion so I thought I'd jump on it.

What is interesting is that until recently (at least it seems that way) a lot/all of the "supercar" manufacturers stuck to RWD forever. They've all been converted at this point.

Direct fuel injection, super and turbo charging, and really capable engine management computers have increased horsepower dramatically the past few years. 600hp cars are mid-line things, 700hp cars are SOTA for the masses, and 800hp cars are the supercar SOTA. Even BMW, long the RWD kings of sedans, went to AWD for the new 600hp+ M5 (and a torque converter automatic), causing all sort of pursed lips in the enthusiast community. For any legal street purpose a car that runs in the low-12s is hyper-exciting. I think 10s-capable cars for the street should require a special drivers license. Guys like Dawg need therapy, IMO. ;-)